The double-standards of the preterist and why I left that system

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The validity of preterism lies solely in the premise that what is being spoken of in Revelation is the promised sanctions God promised would come upon Israel for failing to keep the the terms of the old covenant.
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

( the blessing ) in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

( the curse ) But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even when you get to the prophets it’s still based upon the covenant made between them and God

Like this

“Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. ….( thier punisjment is being explained about Jerusalems destruction but then )

Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?”
‭‭Joel‬ ‭2:1-5, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

age was always calling then to repentance sayong if you return to me I will forgive you and restore you but if you don’t this terrible thing is coming …..the ot is always based on the structure and principles of the law

it could have been the blessing he said to them if they obeyed ….or it could be the curses he warned them about if they broke his covenant and refused to repent the whole ot is structured that way

if we just read a sentence or two it could seem like it’s without condition and didn’t matter what they did but if we read longer more complete sections we can see they needed to repent and turn back to him before it was too late and they didn’t do the curse came to pass for breaking the covenant and killing the messiah

thier last chance was the gospel and even then they claimed “ we have no king but ceasar , crucify Jesus he’s a hereitic and blasphemer !”

this completes thier rebellion and finalizes Gods wrath finally provoked past the point of repentance
 

Cameron143

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It's an outline of Events to happen.
And we know which Events already happened and which have not.
So we are not as lost in interpretation as some want others to believe.
Events that happen as a result of?
 

Cameron143

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God's Prophecy of things to come.
More succinctly, things to come shortly as a result of Israel failing to keep the terms of the old covenant.
Jesus is concerned for His people so He prepares them for what is to come shortly.
 

lrs68

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More succinctly, things to come shortly as a result of Israel failing to keep the terms of the old covenant.
Jesus is concerned for His people so He prepares them for what is to come shortly.
When we think about that it's possible that 1 day can be 1,000 years it's possible that 2,000 years from the first established Church in Acts until today is only 2 days to God and His timing.

The Bible is all about God and His timing not how people in the Bible thought about in terms of timing.

And when God tells us a short time it's still not how we think about time but how God looks at time.
 

Cameron143

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When we think about that it's possible that 1 day can be 1,000 years it's possible that 2,000 years from the first established Church in Acts until today is only 2 days to God and His timing.

The Bible is all about God and His timing not how people in the Bible thought about in terms of timing.

And when God tells us a short time it's still not how we think about time but how God looks at time.
Have you ever outlined the book of Revelation? How about the book of Deuteronomy? If you do, you will find that the outlines are identical. They both begin with a preamble, then give a historical prologue, a list of the terms of the covenant, the ramifications of not keeping the terms of the covenant, and lastly a plan to move forward.
The book of Revelation is largely dealing with the ending of the old covenant and instituting the new way forward. It is primarily written to first century Christians who would be impacted by the wrath to come.
 

lrs68

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Have you ever outlined the book of Revelation? How about the book of Deuteronomy? If you do, you will find that the outlines are identical. They both begin with a preamble, then give a historical prologue, a list of the terms of the covenant, the ramifications of not keeping the terms of the covenant, and lastly a plan to move forward.
The book of Revelation is largely dealing with the ending of the old covenant and instituting the new way forward. It is primarily written to first century Christians who would be impacted by the wrath to come.
The issue is that we know from Daniel and Revelation when the Abomination is going to take place and the Jews will see and immediately know that Jesus is their true Messiah.

That is why it doesn't matter about the outline of certain Books like Revelation because nothing is going to happen until the Fulfillment of the Gentiles. The fact that the Gentiles are still being saved and the Church has not been Raptured reveals to us the Fulfillment of the Gentiles hasn't been completed. So the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist hasn't been revealed, hasn't went into the Temple and proclaimed to be God, hasn't began war on the Jews who now understand the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist is not their Messiah.

When this finally happens the Church won't even exist anymore because it will be the Bride in Heaven.
 

Cameron143

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The issue is that we know from Daniel and Revelation when the Abomination is going to take place and the Jews will see and immediately know that Jesus is their true Messiah.

That is why it doesn't matter about the outline of certain Books like Revelation because nothing is going to happen until the Fulfillment of the Gentiles. The fact that the Gentiles are still being saved and the Church has not been Raptured reveals to us the Fulfillment of the Gentiles hasn't been completed. So the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist hasn't been revealed, hasn't went into the Temple and proclaimed to be God, hasn't began war on the Jews who now understand the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist is not their Messiah.

When this finally happens the Church won't even exist anymore because it will be the Bride in Heaven.
Where does it say nothing will happen until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled?

Do you believe the old covenant is still in force?

What do you believe the abomination of desolation is?
 

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Where does it say nothing will happen until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled?

Do you believe the old covenant is still in force?

What do you believe the abomination of desolation is?
Paul told us in Romans the Jews will be blinded and deaf for the purposes of the Gentiles being grafted in. He said this is the Gentile Fulfillment which some have called the Reign of the Gentiles but I just use what the Bible tells us the Fulfillment of the Gentiles.
 

lrs68

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Do you believe the old covenant is still in force?
No
What do you believe the abomination of desolation is?
Stopping of Daily Sacrifice. In Matthew 24 Jesus tells us to refer to Daniel. When we read Chapter 12 we see that Daily Sacrifice is stopped by the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist which has no connection to 70 A.D. because in the written documents of events there's no mention Of anyone claiming to be God to the world.
 

Cameron143

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Paul told us in Romans the Jews will be blinded and deaf for the purposes of the Gentiles being grafted in. He said this is the Gentile Fulfillment which some have called the Reign of the Gentiles but I just use what the Bible tells us the Fulfillment of the Gentiles.
Sure. But what does this have to do with God ending the old covenant and instituting the new covenant?
 

Cameron143

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No

Stopping of Daily Sacrifice. In Matthew 24 Jesus tells us to refer to Daniel. When we read Chapter 12 we see that Daily Sacrifice is stopped by the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist which has no connection to 70 A.D. because in the written documents of events there's no mention Of anyone claiming to be God to the world.
The ceasing of sacrifices and oblations was accomplished by Jesus at the cross. He died once for sin. After that, sacrifices were no longer necessary.
 

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The ceasing of sacrifices and oblations was accomplished by Jesus at the cross. He died once for sin. After that, sacrifices were no longer necessary.
The NEED for those sacrifices Jesus ended. But the Jews still performed them and in some manner still do even though it is in a different context and not in the same way as their ancient ancestors.
 

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The NEED for those sacrifices Jesus ended. But the Jews still performed them and in some manner still do even though it is in a different context and not in the same way as their ancient ancestors.
What does it matter what the Jews do? The matter being spoken of is the cessation of sacrifices. Jesus did that.
 

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What does Romans have to do with the abomination of desolation?
It tells us about the Jews being blinded and deafened for the Gentiles. And we know this is the period we're still calling the Times or Fulfillment of the Gentiles.
 

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What does it matter what the Jews do? The matter being spoken of is the cessation of sacrifices. Jesus did that.
Because Paul tells us the Man of Sin\Beast\Antichrist will go into a physical building known as the Temple of God and proclaim to be God.

Even though the Temple has no meaning the very idea of Satan walking into the Temple and calling himself God is the ultimate Abomination that ever could be performed.