The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

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There you go with your bs spirits guiding you. +
Making up stuff. Not thinking accurately with the Word of God again...

That can not be God speaking. Your "guiding" spirits are suckering you onto a path to destruction..

Dizzy.... If you are ever to recover you will need to find a good pastor teacher and to submit to the teachings, not those spirits that you are guided by. Be honest about it and put a "Psychic" sign up and bamboozle those who do not know the Word of God well enough to see what controls your mind....

Now go play victim and get a few to sympathize with your "feelings."

You are in trouble, sir. You're playing the "Christian card." And, your spirits are exposing you by what you say.
Even some famous psychics tried playing the "Christian card." Its nothing new.


Demons will play the Christian card around Christians to con the Scripturally ignorant who run by their emotions....
One day, on our way to the place of prayer, a slave girl ran into us. She was a psychic
and, with her fortunetelling, made a lot of money for the people who owned her.
She started following Paul around, calling everyone’s attention to us by yelling out,
“These men are working for the Most High God. They’re laying out the road of salvation
for you!” Acts 16:16-17​

You are being given a chance.... Don't go seeking sympathy. Seek the truth.


Matthew 19:22

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful,
for he had great possessions.

Some here would have tried to comfort him...

That's why we have the Word of God.
Its Good news.

The lord gave me an answer within 24 hours of asking ..

He said go and plant a seed and see if you can change how it grows without touching it 🙂
 
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Longsuffering is a fruit of the Spirit. I frankly don't care if I'm insulted. Blessed are the peacemakers, not the troublemakers.
You may have not noticed his typical last response to me, but anyhow in another thread he responded to me by saying he was going to pm people to tell them to ignore me , but obviously in his language that means hate you.

So it is possible he has has a few friends all pushing his views on how to hate people.

I bring this to your attention because blessed are the peace makers 🙂

What I learned on another site I was in, there was a main stream group of Jews attacking Christian beliefs, who thankfully they where uncovered and banned,
 

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Yes from now on ill take your
Words to lord and wait 24 hours to a whole year for an answer, well because when the lord doesn't answer me, its because I shouldn't answer

Oh in this song I've realised Jewish people are told to call there slave masters lord, are you a lord to in your land, I just wondered

But does Ths nice Jewish person sing about two lords 🙂






Well my heart says differently,

And my heart obeys and when something is tied there in belief it's very unlikely to be untied.

But for others I would imagine they haven't quite learned how to tie
There heart yet..


Now a common expression would be dont break my heart.

Or another would be unbreak my heart.

But as for you, yes you can place things on my heart but only if I allow it to take a hold will it have any chance of either breaking it or strengthening it.

However with the case of.God I only ever always allow it.

If you only found a good pastor teacher you would know that what was for the OT Jewish dispensation does not apply for today.

You make accusations which shine a light on your ignorance.
 

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Its Good news.

The lord gave me an answer within 24 hours of asking ..

He said go and plant a seed and see if you can change how it grows without touching it 🙂

Batman had to deal with the Riddler... Not me.

I'm not Batman. Your spirits are punching in the dark.
 
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Batman had to deal with the Riddler... Not me.

I'm not Batman. Your spirits are punching in the dark.
I'll have to see what the lord suggest about this one,

You may have to wait 🙂
 
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If you only found a good pastor teacher you would know that what was for the OT Jewish dispensation does not apply for today.

You make accusations which shine a light on your ignorance.
Yes I'm Sure the lord as in thee lord will have an answer for this to...

Again tho if I do get one I'll be sure to let you know 🙂
 
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If you only found a good pastor teacher you would know that what was for the OT Jewish dispensation does not apply for today.

You make accusations which shine a light on your ignorance.
Oh I Got an answer again.

The lord said stick to my guns.

I asked the lord what Guns lol.

The lord said my Judgment is sound.

And he said to me personally can you make a seed grow without touching it.

Well I said how could I

And then he said think 🙂
 

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I'll have to see what the lord suggest about this one,

You may have to wait 🙂
Who is your Lord?

Those "guiding spirits" that keep bollixing up your screwy Bible interpretations?


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
1 John 4:1​


What I am doing is how testing the spirits is done!

So far?

You qualify to be a prophet, alright.

But, a false prophet...

Sorry... But only the Truth will make you free!


In Christ... Genez
 

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Oh I Got an answer again.

The lord said stick to my guns.

I asked the lord what Guns lol.

The lord said my Judgment is sound.

And he said to me personally can you make a seed grow without touching it.

Well I said how could I

And then he said think 🙂

Just don't keep sticking that gun to your head like you have been.....
 
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Who is your Lord?

Those "guiding spirits" that keep bollixing up your screwy Bible interpretations?


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
1 John 4:1​


What I am doing is how testing the spirits is done!

So far?

You qualify to be a prophet, alright.

But, a false prophet...

Sorry... But only the Truth will make you free!


In Christ... Genez
who is your lord

Well that would be the chief corner stone 🙂

And is name is father.
 
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Who is your Lord?

Those "guiding spirits" that keep bollixing up your screwy Bible interpretations?


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
1 John 4:1​


What I am doing is how testing the spirits is done!

So far?

You qualify to be a prophet, alright.

But, a false prophet...

Sorry... But only the Truth will make you free!


In Christ... Genez
To be able to test spirits online you would have to made to believe you have physic powers.

Obviously if you talk to the lord you'll realise that the true prophet is the lord 🙂

Look it says it here

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1 Corinthians 14:1

New International Version



Intelligibility in Worship
14 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy

So according to this there is a role for prophecy for guiding people in love

After you receive wisdom from seeking the lord in the love as in thee lord 🙂
 
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This nice Jewish person realised she couldn't serve two lords 🙂

 
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Who is your Lord?

Those "guiding spirits" that keep bollixing up your screwy Bible interpretations?


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
1 John 4:1​


What I am doing is how testing the spirits is done!

So far?

You qualify to be a prophet, alright.

But, a false prophet...

Sorry... But only the Truth will make you free!


In Christ... Genez
This song was passed onto me by my Jewish friend Eitan 😊

 
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I actually love this version the best tho

But my friend Eitan prefers the last one 😊

 
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I am the one who introduced the meaning in this thread and couple other threads.
I always believe what I present or I would not waste my time.
Interesting how you are now presenting it like it was your understanding...when you knew nothing about it until I presented it.
In still waiting for you to give to answer.

We have had many discussion

And it took all my patience to finally get you to answer.

So please tell me if your believing all life is in the book of life of life to begin with.

Im not knowing what you believe.

Now I don't know know what discussion you started first or what you think I stole of you.

Now you say to me what you believe pls.

So that we can have a meaningful discussion. About this.

If your saying you believe this, just say so

You say you brought up the idea are you meaning this idea.

Is it idea or do you believe it.

My Jewish friends believe it, they are very true Jewish people.

And I love them.

But they not like the bad the Jewish people. But they don't hate them

Now I have been singing this Jewish song since I cine here because I want to cone back to Isreal

 

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It says all life remains in the book of life unless removed

Which means all life still has a spiritual life in them,.his life whether alive to the power of life the new way or the power of death the old way.




Revelation 3:5



He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

It says all life is in the book of the life ..

Do you believe that
You misunderstand Rev. 3:5 - perhaps this might help you.

Commentary by John Gill:
And I will not blot out his name out of the book of life; by which is meant the choice of persons to everlasting life and salvation; and this being signified by a book, and by writing names in it, shows the exact knowledge God has of his elect, the value he has for them, his remembrance of them, his love to them, and care for them; and that this election is of particular persons by name, and is sure and certain; for those whose names are written in it shall never be blotted out, they will always remain in the number of God's elect, and can never become reprobates, or shall ever perish; because of the unchangeableness of the nature and love of God, the firmness of his purposes, the omnipotence of his arm, the death and intercession of Christ for them, their union to him, and being in him, the impossibility of their seduction by false teachers, and the security of their persons, grace, and glory in Christ, and in whose keeping this book of life is; which respects not this temporal life, that belongs to the book of providence, but a spiritual and eternal life, from whence it has its name,

Commentary by Albert Barnes:
And I will not blot out his name out of the book of life - The book which contains the names of those who are to live with him forever. The names of his people are thus represented as enrolled in a book which he keeps - a register of those who are to live forever.

Why are you ignoring Rev. 17:8? You originally supplied this verse to back up your original argument.
 
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You misunderstand Rev. 3:5 - perhaps this might help you.

Commentary by John Gill:
And I will not blot out his name out of the book of life; by which is meant the choice of persons to everlasting life and salvation; and this being signified by a book, and by writing names in it, shows the exact knowledge God has of his elect, the value he has for them, his remembrance of them, his love to them, and care for them; and that this election is of particular persons by name, and is sure and certain; for those whose names are written in it shall never be blotted out, they will always remain in the number of God's elect, and can never become reprobates, or shall ever perish; because of the unchangeableness of the nature and love of God, the firmness of his purposes, the omnipotence of his arm, the death and intercession of Christ for them, their union to him, and being in him, the impossibility of their seduction by false teachers, and the security of their persons, grace, and glory in Christ, and in whose keeping this book of life is; which respects not this temporal life, that belongs to the book of providence, but a spiritual and eternal life, from whence it has its name,

Commentary by Albert Barnes:
And I will not blot out his name out of the book of life - The book which contains the names of those who are to live with him forever. The names of his people are thus represented as enrolled in a book which he keeps - a register of those who are to live forever.

Why are you ignoring Rev. 17:8? You originally supplied this verse to back up your original argument.
You're making a huge big statement out of and understanding you have.

I know what revelation 3.5 say and it say that I will not blot out any name from the book of life

But why is it called The book of Life.

It's not called The book of name is it.

It's called The book of Life.

So the name is life.

Revelation 3.5 is saying I will not blot out any life from my life.

If such life is clothed in white garment.

There is no shame in this whatsoever.

This is God speaking to all unbelievers this is God saying that every unbeliever is God's life and every unbeliever has a chance.

This is God saying every unbeliever has been elected to be saved.


 

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You're making a huge big statement out of and understanding you have.

I know what revelation 3.5 say and it say that I will not blot out any name from the book of life

But why is it called The book of Life.

It's not called The book of name is it.

It's called The book of Life.

So the name is life.

Revelation 3.5 is saying I will not blot out any life from my life.

If such life is clothed in white garment.

There is no shame in this whatsoever.

This is God speaking to all unbelievers this is God saying that every unbeliever is God's life and every unbeliever has a chance.

This is God saying every unbeliever has been elected to be saved.


At this point, I will just have to say keep on believing what ever it is you are believing. It is apparent that you aren't believing the Scriptures are they would bring you into questioning your beliefs. Not my beliefs only, for they are echoed by men such as: Polycarp, Augustine, Calvin, Pink, Gill, Spurgeon, MacArthur, Sproul and Best; just to mention a few good men from 69AD to the Present.

Go in peace...
 
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At this point, I will just have to say keep on believing what ever it is you are believing. It is apparent that you aren't believing the Scriptures are they would bring you into questioning your beliefs. Not my beliefs only, for they are echoed by men such as: Polycarp, Augustine, Calvin, Pink, Gill, Spurgeon, MacArthur, Sproul and Best; just to mention a few good men from 69AD to the Present.

Go in peace...
What you speak like this,

You don't think that I believe, or I don't believe life you.

And so now you say I'm not follow your beliefs because they ere echoed by ancient men.


Exactly what does this prove to me about your belief.

I want to know what you believe.


You know Jesus said to his chosen people you who where not a people are now a people.

Would he have Said that to people he was talking to, for no Good reason.

What reason Did Jesus say you where not once my people but now your my people.

Will you seek the lord your God with all your heart for an answer.

Seek him what does he say.

Don't just see this post and reply, I want answer from your God