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The first horseman (on the white horse) represents religious deception while
the second horseman (on the red horse) represents war (Revelation 6:1-4).

The third horseman, riding a black horse, symbolizes famine.
The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic, globe-encircling plagues
and pandemics occurring and soon to occur in this modern age!

Look up pestilence in any Bible concordance and you will be amazed by the link
between the second, third and fourth horsemen representing war, famine and pestilence
(Jeremiah 21:9; 27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2; 42:16-17; 44:13).

These three horsemen derive their origin directly from the first horseman of religious deception,

The importance of the duality of Scripture cannot be emphasized enough.

Matthew 24 refers to:
1) a first typical fulfillment in a.d.?70;
2) a long-term condition prevailing from a.d.?70 until now; and
3) an end-time anti-typical fulfillment yet ahead.


Why did John not wright about the olivet promise as others did ?
Johns version of the Olivet prophecy, Revelation,chapter 6. first four seals

John’s vision, revealed by Jesus Christ and recorded for us today in Revelation 6:1-8,
differs only slightly from the Olivet prophecy in Matthew 24 and the other accounts.


Josephus describes in graphic detail the wars and resultant famine and plagues in Jerusalem
about a.d.?70, almost 40 years after the Olivet prophecy was first given.
(Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, which tells of thousands of Jews being impaled by the Romans.)

Yes, what Christ said in Matthew 24 indeed had a typical fulfillment in a.d.?70.
But John’s vision was recorded 20 years after the city’s fall and the temple’s destruction.

Nothing in it speaks of historical fulfillment or events occurring in John’s day.
Instead, it is referring to a future completion immediately ahead of us.

An End-Time Message ,Revelation is clearly a book for the end time.
Revelation 9:16 mentions a standing army of about 200 million men.

Even the context of Matthew 24 shows that the ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies
is still ahead. Verses 21-22 show that Christ’s message would apply at a time when
human annihilation was a very real threat.


“And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon
to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto
him a great sword” (Revelation 6:3-4).

Jesus Christ opens the second seal and John sees a red horse whose rider is given authority
to remove peace from the Earth. When peace is gone, there is only war. The man on the red horse
plainly represents war with its abominable effects. Verse 4 clearly interprets itself, but further proof
is given in Matthew 24:6-7 as we have read. Christ practically spells it out for us in His description
of the second horseman who represents “wars and rumors of wars.”


The first thing Christ prophesied about was a general condition of war that would extend from
His time on Earth until man’s misrule on Earth was finally over. “And ye shall hear of wars and
rumours of wars [plural].”

The very next thing He said after warning about this seemingly endless state of warfare was,
“See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”

These many wars comprise a general, not specific, condition of war. Christ admonished us not
to be too troubled. Throughout man’s miserable existence on Earth, there have been alternating
periods of war (of every description) and peace. Unfortunately, the periods of war have lasted
much longer than those fleeting times of peace.

The mood gets far more serious after the many wars of Matthew 24:6 are mentioned.
Verse 7 tells us that “nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.”


This indicates world war, where one large block of allied nations or countries would be directly
attacking another. It means much more than “wars and rumors of wars.”


The world has already survived two world wars, but neither can compare to the potential global
war spoken of in Matthew 24:22: “And except those days should be shortened, there should
no flesh be saved [alive].” The Moffatt translation adds the word alive. This refers to total war,
with the annihilation of all people as the outcome, barring divine intervention.

Never before has mankind had the potential to completely destroy itself—until now!

Religious deception—the first horseman—has conquered the Earth with Satan’s counterfeit
religion. Now we see war—the second horseman—as the tool religion has used down through
history to gain its satanic conquests.

Notice Revelation 12:7-9: “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their
place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,
and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast
out with him.” Satan is the great being symbolized by the rider of the blood-red horse.


The casting down of Satan leads to this intensified period of global wars and conflicts.

Satan is the same being who took peace from the Earth back in the Garden of Eden,
who later challenged Jesus Christ for rulership of the world, and who is today the
“prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2), and the god of this world (2?Corinthians 4:4).

He’s been responsible for the war-making which has gone on in every era of man’s history.
But now, with his reign almost over, Satan realizes his time is extremely short (Revelation 12:12).

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the
brimstone, which issued out of their mouths” (Revelation 9:17-18).

We could speculate on the exact particulars of nuclear weapons and radiation fallout,
but the end result will be the same—one third of all humanity will die!


The Prophet Joel also paints a gruesome picture of our immediate future. (Joel 2:2-6)
“A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness.......
Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness” .


the Prophet Jeremiah exclaimed, “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7).


“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no,
nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). We can take hope that this global insanity is not permitted to run
its course. “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved [alive]:
but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (verse 22).

The first horse, a white one, while being the least understood, is perhaps the most important
because it produces the most insidious destruction: universal religious deception.


The first and most deadly horseman is religious deception! The word conquer means
“to come off with the victory” that the largest organized religious “cult”on Earth today
waged the bloodiest battles ever, in the name of God.

This horseman has wreaked havoc on mankind with religious wars throughout history.

The deceived followers of the man on the white horse “go forth conquering and to conquer”
based on their erroneous belief that the white horseman is Jesus Christ. In fact, he is Satan
disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into, and overlaps with,
the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!
so white horse mean religious deception, mean this seal is not wrath of God

God never decept us. And the three other seal are not wraths of God either, they are wraths of Lucifer.
 

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so white horse mean religious deception, mean this seal is not wrath of God

God never decept us. And the three other seal are not wraths of God either, they are wraths of Lucifer.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:
only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.

some of Gods warning about another gospel being preached


And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)

Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).

"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ"
(Galatians 1:7).


"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel
to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).

For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and
wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great
signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive
the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing),
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)

As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that
you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine)
(1 Timothy 3)

But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be
(false teachers among you), who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even
denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2 Peter 2:1)

These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow
their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.(Jude 1:19)

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.
Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction
has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)

a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years,
amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great,
a god to the people.

Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One
—the Power of God.” They listened closely to him because for a long time he had
astounded them with his magic.Acts 8:9-10)

These are the things you are to teach and insist on.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3


Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away
from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come
from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Matthew 7:22)

"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord,
open for us,' Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."


Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw
away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years)
I never stopped (warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so
that you may not be carried away by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from
your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according
to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for
themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)

I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after
I leave), (not sparing the flock).Even some men from (your own group) will
rise up and (distort the truth) in order to draw a following.(Acts 20:29)


I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to
live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel,which is really
no gospel at all.

(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in
Jerusalem; and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through
the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)

- all the believers scattered except the apostles, and they were tortured and killed.



Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out
the saints of the most High, and (think to change times and laws): and they
shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time
.

“Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips,
but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as
doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8–9).

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death"
(Proverbs 14:12; 16:25


We should be aware of false teachers who desire to destroy our faith
 
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The 1st resurrection was Jesus and the first fruits.

The 2nd resurrection, is Jesus appearing a second time unto salvation Heb 9:28.





This is the second resurrection that you are talking about here, the rapt/resur coming, at the 7th trumpet. The one that is unto salvation.

There are only 2 resurrections 1 Cor 15:23-24, then comes the end.

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You can't have 2, 3, 4, or more 1st resurrections, because after the 1st one, would come the 2nd, the 2nd one can't be the first.

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The first resurrection in Rev 20 is the one where Jesus and the first fruits rose with Him.

It literally says the first resurrection.

Is it literally the first resurrection where Jesus rose or not?
yeah....not hardly.....there is one resurrection of the righteous and the second death applied unto the lost.........blessed is he that hath part in the first.......there is not a second for the righteous mentioned anywhere in scripture.....
 

Jackson123

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2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:
only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.

some of Gods warning about another gospel being preached


And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)

Jesus Christ warned, "Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4–5).

"There are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ"
(Galatians 1:7).


"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you
than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel
to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8–9).

For (false Christs) and (false prophets shall rise), and shall shew signs and
wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22 (KJV)

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great
signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive
the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Beware of (false prophets), which come to you in (sheep's clothing),
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Matthew 7:15)

As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that
you may (charge certain persons) not to teach (any different doctrine)
(1 Timothy 3)

But there were (false prophets) also among the people, even as there shall be
(false teachers among you), who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even
denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2 Peter 2:1)

These people are the ones who are creating divisions among you. They follow
their natural instincts because they do not have God’s Spirit in them.(Jude 1:19)

In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.
Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction
has not been sleeping.(2 Peter 2:3)

a man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years,
amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great,
a god to the people.

Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as “the Great One
—the Power of God.” They listened closely to him because for a long time he had
astounded them with his magic.Acts 8:9-10)

These are the things you are to teach and insist on.
If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction
of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 1 Timothy 6:3


Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away
from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and (teachings that come
from demons). 1 Timothy 4:14

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Matthew 7:22)

"Many will "begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord,
open for us,' Jesus said "Depart from Me, (all you workers of iniquity)."


Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw
away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that (for three years)
I never stopped (warning each of you night and day with tears).Acts 20:30

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so
that you may not be carried away by the error of (the lawless) and (fall from
your secure position).(2 Peter 3:17)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,but according
to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for
themselves teachers. (II Timothy 4:3)

I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will (come in among you after
I leave), (not sparing the flock).Even some men from (your own group) will
rise up and (distort the truth) in order to draw a following.(Acts 20:29)


I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to
live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel,which is really
no gospel at all.

(A great wave of persecution began that day), sweeping over the church in
Jerusalem; and (all the believers except the apostles) were scattered through
the regions of Judea and Samaria.(acts 8:9)

- all the believers scattered except the apostles, and they were tortured and killed.



Daniel 7:25 (KJV)
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out
the saints of the most High, and (think to change times and laws): and they
shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time
.

“Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips,
but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as
doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:8–9).

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death"
(Proverbs 14:12; 16:25


We should be aware of false teachers who desire to destroy our faith
God send strong delusion but God not lie. Devil lie.
 

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From got questions. I don't know if it's correct, but I didn't know the answer either so I looked online.


Question: "What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?"

Answer:
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn
 
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I think that is a Yes for Context, context, context
No, it is not. Too many people already try to claim that since the words used "in context" put them in mind of astronomy, then the "context" has been declared.
 

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From got questions. I don't know if it's correct, but I didn't know the answer either so I looked online.


Question: "What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?"

Answer:
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn
That's the "standard" futurist take on it Stones.

I believe the first "resurrection" to be a coming to life in Christ which has nothing to do with Daniel's resurrection "some to life some to contempt" - John uses the term first "resurrection" to describe what Paul calls the quickening:

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Though John uses the Greek anastasis when describing the first resurrection there is definitely a cross pollination of ideas/concepts between the Greek zoopoieio and anastais as Paul used zoopoieo (quickened) in Corinthians:

1 Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die.


G2227 zoopoieo dzo-op-oy-eh'-o

from the same as G2226 and G4160;

to (re-)vitalize (literally or figuratively).


G386 anastasis an-as'-tas-is

from G450;

a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth).

We know from the book of revelation that the 144,000 are the first fruits and that they took part in the first "resurrection":

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

We see that James is addressing the 12 tribes as first fruits:

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of
firstfruits of his creatures.

This to me places the first fruits of the tribes of Israel being "resurrected/quickened" in the first century AD.

It makes no sense to call people resurrected 1970 years later and counting first fruits - they'd be last fruits.
 
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From got questions. I don't know if it's correct, but I didn't know the answer either so I looked online.


Question: "What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?"

Answer:
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn
I think that subject is addressed on about page 51.
 

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No, it is not. Too many people already try to claim that since the words used "in context" put them in mind of astronomy, then the "context" has been declared.
I will not even try to understand that statement...so the word "Context" now means astronomy???????
 
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I will not even try to understand that statement...so the word "Context" now means astronomy???????
"Context" means to look at what the sentence, phrase, paragraph, or even entire book in front of you is talking about. Many people have a hard time associating that much text, and become "tunnel-visioned", and focus only on a few limited lines of a broader and much more complex meaning of the intended communication.

In this case, St. John is never intending to give us an astronomy lesson on celestial bodies and the damage they can cause to Earth. He is, instead, showing us a glimpse of Jesus Christ, and what His coming with the new kingdom will mean to the existing system of worship the Jews were engaged in at the time. THAT would have been the real CONTEXT of his comments about the sun, moon and stars.
 
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THAT would have been the real CONTEXT of his comments about the sun, moon and stars.
“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars,

I think the signs have happened, and are happening now. This weekend and maybe some more to come. I think Daniel's appointed time of the end has began, and this weekend we are transitioning from the second to the third and final watch of the night. For me it's about a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light.

Our appointed time of the end appears to be 1260 days in duration, split into three divisions of 420 days. The Revelation 12 sign appears to be pointing to the setting of the third and last watch of the night. After Jupiter leaves the body of Virgo, in mid November, it has a conjunction with Venus. That conjunction measures 420 days to a sun that will be "darkened" and a moon that will not give it's light. The two brightest planets in our visible sky will combine and serve to underscore Jupiter's presence in the heavens. The Son of Man is revealed.



"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!


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And also notice how Mars enters into Virgo's body, just as Jupiter and Venus are in conjunction. I don't know what's up with that. Maybe I'll check when Mars exits the body.
So I did look into when Mars leaves Virgo's body and compared the difference in days to the end of the three watches of the Torah, and the fourth watch of the Romans when I found something that I'd previously missed.

From the last moon of our tetrad, until this weekend's conjunction of Jupiter and Venus, there's 777 days.

And from the day that Jupiter entered the body of Virgo to begin the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun, there's also 777 days.

Two sets of "777" days. Two witnesses carved out by the sun, and the moon, and the stars.

"This is the third time I am coming to you.
Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.

"If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third, and finds them awake,

blessed are those servants!

These red lines around Virgo are the constellation boundaries drawn up by Eugène Joseph Delporte in 1930. I have to wonder if God was with him and influenced his decisions to draw the lines where he did.

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This weekend Mars, the red planet, enters into the virgins body on the same day that Jupiter and Venus conjunct exactly on top of the constellation boundary line which Eugène drew in 1930.

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Eugène also discovered and named asteroid 1221 Amor. This year on 12/21 Mars will cross Virgo's constellation boundary line in pursuit of Jupiter.

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I don't know if any of these images are visible to you folks, but it doesn't matter.

It's all good.

Have a Peaceful Sabbath.

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From got questions. I don't know if it's correct, but I didn't know the answer either so I looked online.


Question: "What is the first resurrection? What is the second resurrection?"

Answer:
Daniel 12:2 summarizes the two very different fates facing mankind: “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Everyone will be raised from the dead, but not everyone will share the same destiny. The New Testament reveals the further detail of separate resurrections for the just and the unjust.

Revelation 20:4-6 mentions a “first resurrection” and identifies those involved as “blessed and holy.” The second death (the lake of fire, Revelation 20:14) has no power over these individuals. The first resurrection, then, is the raising of all believers. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:14) and the “resurrection of life” (John 5:29).

The first resurrection takes place in various stages. Jesus Christ Himself (the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20), paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him. There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints (Matthew 27:52-53) which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection. Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation (Revelation 20:4).

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” (John 5:29).

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (Revelation 20:5).

What great rejoicing will attend the first resurrection! What great anguish at the second! What a responsibility we have to share the Gospel! “And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire” (Jude 23).

Recommended Resource: Heaven by Randy Alcorn

stones,

Commentaries are good, you can learn something from everybody. But we must be careful.

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Please read 1 Cor 15:23-28.

The resurrections are shown there in very simple form.

1. 1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints. The first fruits of the resur. Eph 4:8

2. 2nd resurrection, Those who are Christ's at His coming. This is the 7th/last trumpet, where Jesus takes possession of the kingdom. It is also shown as the stone striking the statue in Dan. 2.

3. Death is destroyed, Rev 20:14-15.

4. Then comes the end, when Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father. Rev 21:1-2. The wedding of the bride.

5. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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These events cannot be altered, added to, or taken away from. They stand simple and true.

All other prophecies must conform to this pattern.

A warning to anybody who tries to twist, alter, or add to what Paul has written,

These are the Words of God by Paul in Corinthians, Jesus will hold you accountable.

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yeah....not hardly.....there is one resurrection of the righteous and the second death applied unto the lost.........blessed is he that hath part in the first.......there is not a second for the righteous mentioned anywhere in scripture.....
Do you think, that you will live long enough to see the 7th trumpet?
 
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stones,

Commentaries are good, you can learn something from everybody. But we must be careful.

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Please read 1 Cor 15:23-28.

The resurrections are shown there in very simple form.

1. 1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints. The first fruits of the resur. Eph 4:8

2. 2nd resurrection, Those who are Christ's at His coming. This is the 7th/last trumpet, where Jesus takes possession of the kingdom. It is also shown as the stone striking the statue in Dan. 2.

3. Death is destroyed, Rev 20:14-15.

4. Then comes the end, when Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father. Rev 21:1-2. The wedding of the bride.

5. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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These events cannot be altered, added to, or taken away from. They stand simple and true.

All other prophecies must conform to this pattern.

A warning to anybody who tries to twist, alter, or add to what Paul has written,

These are the Words of God by Paul in Corinthians, Jesus will hold you accountable.

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You should pay heed to your own warning....

Blessed is he that hath part in the first resurrection upon whom the 2nd death hath no power...there is one resurrection of the righteous not two.....it started with Jesus and culminates with the over all ana-stasis and change....
 

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Do you? ......that is entirely up to the Lord and my pre-allotted time under the sun (Job 14)
Amen.

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Do you think the 7th trumpet could happen at any time now, like, without warning?
 

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You should pay heed to your own warning....

Blessed is he that hath part in the first resurrection upon whom the 2nd death hath no power...there is one resurrection of the righteous not two.....it started with Jesus and culminates with the over all ana-stasis and change....
But Paul said that the 1st resur was when Jesus resurrectd, in 1 Cor 15:23-24.

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So let's say (cause I'm not sure what you believe)

Jesus is 1st, 33 AD.

Then the 7th trumpet, you say, I agree.

Then you have another one in Rev 20 called the first, that would be 3.

Then one called the second at the end of the mill, that would be 4 resurrections.

So you would be saying that there are at least 4 resur's.

But Paul says only 2.

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Could it be possible that when it says in Rev 20, the 1st resur., it is referring to the resur of Jesus? Just like Paul was in 1 Cor? I mean, these guys did talk this stuff over, intently.

And when it says 2nd, in Rev 20, that it means the rapt/resur of Jesus coming for the kingdom? 7th/last trumpet? The stone striking? (fire, the planet ends in fire)
 
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Amen.

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Do you think the 7th trumpet could happen at any time now, like, without warning?
No....the other 6 and within the 6 the 7 thunders and there is no proof that the seals have been opened yet....especially the 6th and 7th seal which initiates the 7 trumps
 
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But Paul said that the 1st resur was when Jesus resurrectd, in 1 Cor 15:23-24.

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So let's say (cause I'm not sure what you believe)

Jesus is 1st, 33 AD.

Then the 7th trumpet, you say, I agree.

Then you have another one in Rev 20 called the first, that would be 3.

Then one called the second at the end of the mill, that would be 4 resurrections.

So you would be saying that there are at least 4 resur's.

But Paul says only 2.

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Could it be possible that when it says in Rev 20, the 1st resur., it is referring to the resur of Jesus? Just like Paul was in 1 Cor? I mean, these guys did talk this stuff over, intently.

And when it says 2nd, in Rev 20, that it means the rapt/resur of Jesus coming for the kingdom? 7th/last trumpet? The stone striking? (fire, the planet ends in fire)
As with any crop that is planted there are a few pieces of fruit that ripens days if not weeks before the main crop....the same is true with the resurrection of the righteous saved.....the first fruits began with JESUS and those who came out of graves, including the 144,000 Jewish males (IMO) that were murdered by Herod as the 1st martyrs in the particular place of JESUS which is the wave offering. The garden is still growing with the majority of the harvest at the culmination of the end of the age and at the 7th trump.....

from the 1st tomato to be picked to the last one to be picked in the growing season is all of the SAME HARVEST....