The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation
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Aquila and Priscilla were converts of Paul. And during the same time they were instucting Apollos, Paul preached Jesus and administered the NT Christian baptism in the name of Jesus to those in Ephesus. Afterward Paul assisted in their receiving the Holy Ghost. To suggest Apollos was taught something contrary to what Paul taught is beyond belief. (Acts 18-19)
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Which is it? Immersed into Christ? Or immersed into forgiveness of sins? Because they are not the same thing and I don’t think the word carries two different meanings. Actually, I believe just the scriptures, themselves show that what we are immersed in is water. It’s the act of baptism—immersion into water—that puts us into Christ. As Acts 8:37 says, they both went down into the water, both Phillip and the eunuch and he baptized him. No doubt about that at all—it was water baptism. And the eunuch was immersed in water. Then he went on his way rejoicing. No Holy Spirit baptism there.
The baptism in Acts 2:38 could not have been Holy Spirit baptism because Peter said they would get the Holy Spirit as a “gift” AFTER they were baptized (in water.). Baptism in water and then “you WILL RECEIVE, future tense, the Holy Spirit.
The baptisms in Acts 8 were “water” baptisms. I know because they were baptized in verse 12 but did not receive the Holy Spirit until verses 14-17 when Peter and John came from Jerusalem and laid their hands on them. That was not “miraculous” baptism; that was receiving the Holy Spirit through the laying on of the apostles hands.
The truth is, there is no evidence that anyone ever received Holy Spirit baptism other than those in Acts 2 and Acts 10. I know those who believe it saves, see every baptism in the New Tesrament as Holy Spirit baptism, but the proof, the evidence is all for water baptism—not miraculous Holy Spirit baptism.
I had not heard of Namibia. However, a quick search on the Internet revealed water baptisms are performed in Namibia:
Yes, many Christians in Namibia partake in water baptism, a ritual signifying repentance, forgiveness of sins, and commitment to Christ. Namibia WMSCOG and Church of Christ in Namibia https://www.facebook.com/crcwindhoe...ms-on-sunday-13-20-and-the-/5097814443604039/} both offer water baptism, with the latter even advertising upcoming events.
Yes, many Christians in Namibia partake in water baptism, a ritual signifying repentance, forgiveness of sins, and commitment to Christ. Namibia WMSCOG and Church of Christ in Namibia https://www.facebook.com/crcwindhoe...ms-on-sunday-13-20-and-the-/5097814443604039/} both offer water baptism, with the latter even advertising upcoming events.
“when one believes he is saved” is not true according to James 2:24. Even John 3:16 says when a person believes he SHOULD NOT perish, not COULD NOT perish. And all of the scriptures in John on faith and believing are true but not one of them has the word “ONLY” in them. We all believe faith saves us, but NOT FAITH ALONE. What you need to find is one verse—just one— that actually says we are saved by faith A-L-O-N-E. or faith ONLY. Just quoting scriptures on faith does not prove your position.
James 2:24 does not say that “faith” does not save, it says that faith ONLY ( by itself) does not save. And that is why your statement in the first paragraph is false.
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It’s clears our conscience because we do what it is God said to do to receive remission of sins . The value of baotism is when we start learning about what it means for us stuff like this if I’ve been baptized into Jesus Christ should change my thinking
“Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. ( we need to hear and begin tinker this be true and how we think about it )
In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.”
Romans 6:3-7, 11-13 NIV
notice paul begin to teach that when your baptized you die with and are buried with Jesus who died for our sins so by faith we die with him . But notice he continues teaching from this idea that we died with Christ in baptism
He begins to show us how this affects things like our relationship to the law because we died with Christ then ….
“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
For when we were in the realm of the flesh,( he’s saying before we died in baptism ) the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death.
But now, by dying to what once bound us, ( he’s been teaching about dying with Christ through baptism in his name ) we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
Romans 7:4-6 NIV
this is only be small example baptism has very deep and important mea I g like the above . The key is for us not to reject it by saying “ well thisbisnt really about baptism into Jesus name for remission of sins “ and then inventing reasons why it will never mean anything . We do that alot as humans
baptism is a part of chrirtian doctrine the value it holds is in believing what is taught about it in scripture. Like Roman’s 6 Colossians 2 Galatians 3 ect
air becomes more important and valuable and powerful to help us overcome as we accept what it really is as they are teaching it is in scripture
baptism is of faith
“Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. ( we need to hear and begin tinker this be true and how we think about it )
In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.”
Romans 6:3-7, 11-13 NIV
notice paul begin to teach that when your baptized you die with and are buried with Jesus who died for our sins so by faith we die with him . But notice he continues teaching from this idea that we died with Christ in baptism
He begins to show us how this affects things like our relationship to the law because we died with Christ then ….
“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
For when we were in the realm of the flesh,( he’s saying before we died in baptism ) the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death.
But now, by dying to what once bound us, ( he’s been teaching about dying with Christ through baptism in his name ) we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
Romans 7:4-6 NIV
this is only be small example baptism has very deep and important mea I g like the above . The key is for us not to reject it by saying “ well thisbisnt really about baptism into Jesus name for remission of sins “ and then inventing reasons why it will never mean anything . We do that alot as humans
baptism is a part of chrirtian doctrine the value it holds is in believing what is taught about it in scripture. Like Roman’s 6 Colossians 2 Galatians 3 ect
air becomes more important and valuable and powerful to help us overcome as we accept what it really is as they are teaching it is in scripture
baptism is of faith
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From what was Noah saved? Noah was saved From physical destruction by water. From what are we saved ( by baptism)? We are saved From SPIRITUAL destruction by water. Type and anti type. He used a physical example to teach a spiritual truth. Not the first time the Spirit teaches this way.
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You are correct regarding the rope so I guess I learned something new. However that changes nothing with regards to you refusing to answer questions that myself and others ask you DIRECTLY. It seems you are hiding what you actually believe so I will just refresh everyone's memory again with three (3) main erroneous beliefs that oneness adherents practice
ocean, post: 5509936, member: 333985"]A little background on the oneness group since it seems difficult to get the oneness rep in this thread to answer questions
First off, the oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity so of course they do not want anyone to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They believe that God can exist only in one manifestation at a time. No Father or Son or Holy Spirit; just God. So there is no distinction between as we understand the Bible but just different ways that God decides to reveal Himself. Thing is, who is sitting on the right hand of God in heaven if God is now the Holy Spirit indwelling believers and therefore cannot also be in heaven.
But never mind, those questions will not be answered because they reveal the nonsense that oneness is.
Secondly, baptism can only be done in the name of Jesus (or God Jesus I guess) since Oneness is all about oneness and that means God is Jesus etc. Something to consider is this: This teaching started in 1914 when preacher John Schappe said he had a divine revelation where he felt God was telling him we should only be baptized in the name of Jesus. This idea comes from the book of Acts 2:38.
Ah yes. The divine revelation and who are we to question that.
Third, salvation according to oneness individuals is as follows:
Repent and believe in Jesus
Baptism (water) in the name of Jesus ONLY
Infilling of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues necessary and if not, there is no salvation
ocean, post: 5509936, member: 333985"]A little background on the oneness group since it seems difficult to get the oneness rep in this thread to answer questions
First off, the oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity so of course they do not want anyone to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They believe that God can exist only in one manifestation at a time. No Father or Son or Holy Spirit; just God. So there is no distinction between as we understand the Bible but just different ways that God decides to reveal Himself. Thing is, who is sitting on the right hand of God in heaven if God is now the Holy Spirit indwelling believers and therefore cannot also be in heaven.
But never mind, those questions will not be answered because they reveal the nonsense that oneness is.
Secondly, baptism can only be done in the name of Jesus (or God Jesus I guess) since Oneness is all about oneness and that means God is Jesus etc. Something to consider is this: This teaching started in 1914 when preacher John Schappe said he had a divine revelation where he felt God was telling him we should only be baptized in the name of Jesus. This idea comes from the book of Acts 2:38.
Ah yes. The divine revelation and who are we to question that.
Third, salvation according to oneness individuals is as follows:
Repent and believe in Jesus
Baptism (water) in the name of Jesus ONLY
Infilling of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues necessary and if not, there is no salvation
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Welcome to CC, and I have quotes, many texts, and verses in the word of God. For a new member I will I will read what you have posted here and tell you what I think you can agree or not I couldn't care less. Also, I would get your eyes checked, LOL.
Your points:
1. So keep it simple just show in HIS word where ANYONE was baptized in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost!!!
Good question. Show me where anyone was Baptized and where the words were recorded when they went down in the water ?
What did John say when he Baptized Jesus? You don't know, do you? What about the Enutice Philp Baptized? What did he say, do you know, as he jumped off the camel and jumped into a ditch of water? You don't, so your point is an unlearned qestion and also twisted to fit your agenda.
2. Show where it’s a public declaration of allegiance to Christ.
What do you mean Paul said in Romans 6:1-6
6 Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more of his wonderful grace? 2 Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it? 3 Or have you forgotten that when we were joined with Christ Jesus in baptism, we joined him in his death? (Joined with Christ in Baptism is a pretty Powerful Declaration and joined in HIS death. )
4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.
5 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. 6 We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.
There you go, your two points answered with the word of God.
