The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Ouch said:
I'm great Blessed by the best praying for the rest.

What do you think we have to do to be reborn?
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“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV

It’s all right here. This doesn’t leave any room to add anything. Once you believe that Jesus is the Christ you have been reborn. No need to add ”only” or “alone” or anything.
 
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Ouch said:
Yea, it's better letting them to go to Hell and make friends like you. Sorry if the truth hurts but I know where liars go.
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First off, I am not going to hell :) Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It is not the truth it is your truth. The word of God says in the Gospel of John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

I know you unlearned in Greek, so I will help you. This is written as an imperative.

It is Jesus saying : I am not a way of many ways but I am the "hodos " the only way. Then Jesus says I am not a truth of many truths, but I am the "alētheia", The Only Truth. Then Jesus said I am not a life of many lives, but I am The " zōē " The Only eternal Life.

No one can receive this from the Father. I am the Only One who gives it. The Lord, who is the Supreme Authority.

Salvation = ZOE is the life found in John 3:16 -19. Every last Life Jesus said comes not by water baptism but

Whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You are Pharisees and shut the door of salvation on those who would seek the Lord to be saved. Therefore, your judgment will be greater. You cause those to stumble and fall.
 
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Lamar said:
I don't know, I was too young to remember.

But It seems that I had no choice in the matter. Same goes for my older sister, she was stillborn.

What is your point in this question?
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With Deepest Sympathy
 
Lamar

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BillG said:
You dont really care or believe what I said.
You just want to argue with anyone and everyone.

I believe we are saved by grace through faith unto good works.
I mabe my thoughts clear as above.
Prove me wrong I made it clear we will want to be like Jesus, ITS CALLED OBEDIENCE
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A. You believe in faith alone regeneration theology.
B. You cannot present a verse that states we are saved by faith alone.

So yes, you have been proved wrong.

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Claiming that I just want to argue is a cop out as well as "calling the kettle black".
 
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Lamar said:
The Bible states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So what are you claiming?
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So you declared faith in Jesus then was baptised right away?
 
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CS1 said:
Please show me where Paul baptized one person and said " in Jesus' name" as they went down in the water? The only water Baptism I see in scripture is Jesus and the Eunice Philp baptized.
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Acts 19:
5 And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 
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Lamar said:
A. You believe in faith alone regeneration theology.
B. You cannot present a verse that states we are saved by faith alone.

So yes, you have been proved wrong.

P.S.
Claiming that I just want to argue is a cop out as well as "calling the kettle black".
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You prove my point.

Read what Paul states.

Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Once again we will be obedient because we love Jesus but not be saved.
Don't accuse me again.
 
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lrs68 said:
Acts 19:
5 And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
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That doesn't mean when they were baptized, Paul said, "I baptize you in the name of Jesus." The text states they come to understand Jesus is the one who empowers them with the Holy Spirit as they have not even heard of the Holy Spirit You must read above and below the text, not just one verse, and circle your wagon around.


what does that text say?


Acts 19:2


2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

When they heard this, what did they hear? They must Believe on Jesus Christ and be baptized with HIS Baptism, which is the Holy Spirit,

As Paul asked them and confirmed this as we read in the Gospel of John chapter 1, where Paul says what John said: you must believe on HIM who comes after John 1:15 and 1:27, 33


They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now, the men were about twelve in all.



You are incorrect.
 
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BillG said:
You prove my point.

Read what Paul states.

Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Once again we will be obedient because we love Jesus but not be saved.
Don't accuse me again.
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No, you prove my point.

You present verses where you must surmise "alone".

Are you so blind as not to see this?

Again, if you are a champion of faith alone regeneration theology then show your hand or fold.

"Alone" is the pivotal word that faith alone regeneration theology is based upon.

Surmising is not the basis of a sound theology. Don't you see this?
 
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DeanM said:
So you declared faith in Jesus then was baptised right away?
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When I was baptized I most certainly declared my faith in Jesus!

I also believed that Jesus was the Savior of all who obeyed Him before I was baptized.
 
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CS1 said:
That doesn't mean when they were baptized, Paul said, "I baptize you in the name of Jesus." The text states they come to understand Jesus is the one who empowers them with the Holy Spirit as they have not even heard of the Holy Spirit You must read above and below the text, not just one verse, and circle your wagon around.


what does that text say?


Acts 19:2


2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”

When they heard this, what did they hear? They must Believe on Jesus Christ and be baptized with HIS Baptism, which is the Holy Spirit,

As Paul asked them and confirmed this as we read in the Gospel of John chapter 1, where Paul says what John said: you must believe on HIM who comes after John 1:15 and 1:27, 33


They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now, the men were about twelve in all.



You are incorrect.
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John's Baptism is water. So the topic is water baptism.
 
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lrs68 said:
John's Baptism is water. So the topic is water baptism.
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Acts 19 The Holy Spirit is not water, which Paul was contextually speaking that those disciples had received since they Believed. They did not say, "I did not even hear of water Baptism. They said they had not even heard of the Holy Spirit.

You're stuck in water, guy. The HS was the topic. Jesus' Baptism is of the Holy Spirit. As stated in John chapter 1:33

Why do you fail to see this in the text? Then, miss the context.
 
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Lamar said:
No, you prove my point.

You present verses where you must surmise "alone".

Are you so blind as not to see this?

Again, if you are a champion of faith alone regeneration theology then show your hand or fold.

"Alone" is the pivotal word that faith alone regeneration theology is based upon.

Surmising is not the basis of a sound theology. Don't you see this?
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Okay Bill.
I guess you don't see it.
 
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Cameron143 said:
How were OT saints saved?
And your last statement isn't what scripture says.
I do agree that there was a difference between the degree to which the Spirit was given in the new and old testaments...one more a sprinkling, the other an outpouring; one given to some, the other on all flesh.
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“How were OT saints saved?”

They were baptized into thier intercessor and the mediator of thier covenant which is a figure of ours ……

“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:1-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Lamar said:
Does this apply to the unchosen masses or just the chosen few like yourself?
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That's God's purpose for mankind. And as I've told you before, I don't believe only a few make heaven their home. It would be nice if you stop insinuating that as my belief.
 
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CS1 said:
Acts 19 The Holy Spirit is not water, which Paul was contextually speaking that those disciples had received since they Believed. They did not say, "I did not even hear of water Baptism. They said they had not even heard of the Holy Spirit.

You're stuck in water, guy. The HS was the topic. Jesus' Baptism is of the Holy Spirit. As stated in John chapter 1:33

Why do you fail to see this in the text? Then, miss the context.
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I just took the time to look up the several possible meanings to this passage of Scripture and it's overwhelming hands down believed to be about water baptism according to scholars and theologians.

John could only offer water baptism and nothing more and the baptism he offered is invalid according to the Bible so they would have needed to be water baptized anyway. And theologians and scholars feel that's what happened here.
 
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Lamar said:
No, you prove my point.

You present verses where you must surmise "alone".

Are you so blind as not to see this?

Again, if you are a champion of faith alone regeneration theology then show your hand or fold.

"Alone" is the pivotal word that faith alone regeneration theology is based upon.

Surmising is not the basis of a sound theology. Don't you see this?
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Is there something that I missed in Acts 2 where it says that the Acts 2:38 example is the only way? Or maybe it says this way alone?
Where is the water in Acts 2:38? Are you surmising that the baptism is a water baptism? Paraphrasing it, I believe it says “repent and be immersed into forgiveness of sins”. That is not a water baptism. Water is not mentioned in the verse.

“I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.4.6.ESV
 
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Lamar said:
When I was baptized I most certainly declared my faith in Jesus!

I also believed that Jesus was the Savior of all who obeyed Him before I was baptized.
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“By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.4.2.ESV
 
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