The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[lrs68]

Peter’s emphasis on the name of Jesus is understandable, given that he was speaking to the very same Jews who had before rejected and denied Jesus as their Messiah.

He is talking to Cornelius and his family, a GENTILE like you and most in this thread.
I'm just pointing this out because it's not to any Jews in chapter 10. They're all GENTILE.

 

[DeanM]

Peter was speaking on the Day of Pentecost to faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit. The part of the equation they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved (Acts 4:12). In presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus’ name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified. They had professed the Father and the Spirit, but they needed to profess the Son. Those who received the gospel that day devoted themselves to the lordship of Jesus. They no longer rejected Him but acknowledged Him as their Messiah and only Hope for salvation.

 

[Magenta]

Peter was speaking on the Day of Pentecost to faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit. The part of the equation they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved (Acts 4:12). In presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus’ name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified. They had professed the Father and the Spirit, but they needed to profess the Son. Those who received the gospel that day devoted themselves to the lordship of Jesus. They no longer rejected Him but acknowledged Him as their Messiah and only Hope for salvation.

Acts 2 describes the events of Pentecost. In Acts 10, the Roman centurion Cornelius has a vision that directs him to
call for Peter, leading to Peter preaching the gospel to him and his household, and the Holy Spirit falling on them.

 

[lrs68]

Peter was speaking on the Day of Pentecost to faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit. The part of the equation they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved (Acts 4:12). In presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus’ name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified. They had professed the Father and the Spirit, but they needed to profess the Son. Those who received the gospel that day devoted themselves to the lordship of Jesus. They no longer rejected Him but acknowledged Him as their Messiah and only Hope for salvation.

This is true but Peter preaches the be baptized in Jesus name to the Gentiles in Acts 10. So I disagree with the doctrine Jesus name is for the Jews when we see 2 times it's preached to brand new Gentiles. The Disciples were instructed to go into ALL THE WORLD and that was both Jew and Gentile and Acts shows us the Disciples doing that to both Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How does water baptism bury someone with Christ? He was buried in a tomb? This here let's one know that baptism doesn't actually bury someone with Christ physically. What is being spoken of is not literal, but symbolic.

That this should need to be explained to someone who presents themselves as a student and teacher of the scripture is telling. The link to Christ in baptism is one by faith and is spiritual.

“What is being spoken of is not literal, but symbolic.”

Not a single person has made the argument that anyone physically was buried with Christ …..It is not symbolism its faith it’s Paul telling us what to believe if we have been baptized into Christ

tou have to accept and believe the information about it not as symbolic but as faith and a new understanding of what’s been done


“Know ye not, ( this isn’t symbolism it’s information revelation from Paul that we are hear and supposed to know and believe ) that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, ( it’s an understanding to know and believe ) that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7‬ ‭

This isn’t pul telling us “ baptism is meaningless symbolism he’s literally explaining sins being remitted and sins dominion being remitted over the person that is baptized into his death .

One needs to first not reject baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins in order to understand what Paul’s saying .

the effectual power of baptism is to believe the things he’s teaching that it means by faith

Not to dismiss it and explain it is simymbolic what zgid says about baptism is what determines what baptism is and what it’s for Paul os speaking by gods spirit exolaining baptism so it has power and people don’t think mistakenly “ it’s just symbolic “

But when we reject what it says for the sake of things we come up with like “ Jesus was buried in a tomb this proves baptism isn’t about being buried with Christ into death “


Is that a serious argument you are making Cameron ? That this isn’t true

“baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:”

because you’ve determined Jesus was buried in a tomb therefore it can’t be true that by baptism into Christ we’re buried with him into the death he died for our sins ?

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But since you say Jesus was buried in a tomb that changes what it says and means …..we certainly can’t be buried with Jesus who died for our sins in baptism for remission of sins it’s just symbolism ……

baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:”

“putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism”

it’s better to learn what baptism is for and what it means to those who partake Esther them tell people it doesn’t mean what it says it does

faith comes from hearing the word not rejecting it and explaining why it isn’t true or effective

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is true but Peter preaches the be baptized in Jesus name to the Gentiles in Acts 10. So I disagree with the doctrine Jesus name is for the Jews when we see 2 times it's preached to brand new Gentiles. The Disciples were instructed to go into ALL THE WORLD and that was both Jew and Gentile and Acts shows us the Disciples doing that to both Jews and Gentiles.

“So I disagree with the doctrine Jesus name is for the Jews “

amen it’s the only name for all creation

“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which men must be saved.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Cameron143]

“What is being spoken of is not literal, but symbolic.”

Not a single person has made the argument that anyone physically was buried with Christ …..It is not symbolism its faith it’s Paul telling us what to believe if we have been baptized into Christ

tou have to accept and believe the information about it not as symbolic but as faith and a new understanding of what’s been done


“Know ye not, ( this isn’t symbolism it’s information revelation from Paul that we are hear and supposed to know and believe ) that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, ( it’s an understanding to know and believe ) that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7‬ ‭

This isn’t pul telling us “ baptism is meaningless symbolism he’s literally explaining sins being remitted and sins dominion being remitted over the person that is baptized into his death .

One needs to first not reject baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins in order to understand what Paul’s saying .

the effectual power of baptism is to believe the things he’s teaching that it means by faith

Not to dismiss it and explain it is simymbolic what zgid says about baptism is what determines what baptism is and what it’s for Paul os speaking by gods spirit exolaining baptism so it has power and people don’t think mistakenly “ it’s just symbolic “

But when we reject what it says for the sake of things we come up with like “ Jesus was buried in a tomb this proves baptism isn’t about being buried with Christ into death “


Is that a serious argument you are making Cameron ? That this isn’t true

“baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:”

because you’ve determined Jesus was buried in a tomb therefore it can’t be true that by baptism into Christ we’re buried with him into the death he died for our sins ?

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


But since you say Jesus was buried in a tomb that changes what it says and means …..we certainly can’t be buried with Jesus who died for our sins in baptism for remission of sins it’s just symbolism ……

baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:”

“putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism”

it’s better to learn what baptism is for and what it means to those who partake Esther them tell people it doesn’t mean what it says it does

faith comes from hearing the word not rejecting it and explaining why it isn’t true or effective

No, faith is not symbolic. I was speaking of baptism as symbolizing our partaking in the death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. Faith is the reason we partake of baptism. Having trusted in Him, we now obediently submit to Him.
Faith itself is birthed in an individual by the word of God and the Spirit of God. It proceeds any obedience. We don't simply come to believe. There is the power of the gospel and the operation of the Spirit that is the source of our faith.

 

[DeanM]

The Oneness Pentecostal movements generally teach that to receive and maintain salvation, a person must adhere to four essential requirements.
1. A person must have faith in Jesus Only. Oneness teachers would agree that salvation requires putting one’s full faith in the Jesus of Oneness doctrine. That is, the Jesus who is the totality of the Godhead, who died on the cross as make atonement for sin, and who rose again from the dead.
2. A person must repent and be baptized by immersion in the “Name of Jesus.” Acts 2:38 is used as evidence that the early church baptized only in the name of Jesus. They maintain that baptism in the Trinitarian formula is invalid since it implies belief in three gods. They claim Matthew 28:19 is not to be taken as a command to baptize in that formula.
3. A person must speak in tongues. Like most traditional Pentecostals and Charismatics, Oneness Pentecostals teach that speaking in tongues is a gift to be exercised today. However, unlike most traditionalists, the Oneness movements maintain that speaking in tongues is not just a post-conversion indicator of the filling or baptism of the Holy Spirit, but an essential ingredient in the salvation experience itself. In other words, if a person has never spoken in tongues, he or she is not saved!
4. A person must abide by strict and legalistic standards of holiness. Most Oneness Pentecostals teach that once salvation is gained initially by the preceding ingredients, it must be maintained by daily adherence to legalistic codes of personal behavior. Alcohol and tobacco are prohibited. Women are not allowed to cut their hair, wear short dresses or slacks, use make-up, or wear jewelry. Men are expected to dress conservatively (white shirts and dark slacks), be clean shaven, and have short haircuts. Violations of these codes may result in a loss of salvation and exclusion from church fellowship.

 

[Wansvic]

I agree that you should not be able to delete something from a post after the posting time limit but nevertheless this sentence is no longer in your post# 970???

How is this possible? Do you have the access to do this?

I believe a reply once activated is immediately viewable. However, the original is overwritten each time edits are made within the five minute time frame.

 

[Wansvic]

Peter’s emphasis on the name of Jesus is understandable, given that he was speaking to the very same Jews who had before rejected and denied Jesus as their Messiah.

The referenced biblical account pertains to Gentiles not Jews:

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." Acts 10:43-48

 

[Wansvic]

Peter’s emphasis on the name of Jesus is understandable, given that he was speaking to the very same Jews who had before rejected and denied Jesus as their Messiah.

My original post referenced that baptism in the name of Jesus is water baptism:
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10:47-48

I'm somewhat surprised that you as well as @BillG @mailmandan would fail to realize the scripture I provided was a biblical account pertaining to Gentiles not Jews:

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." Acts 10:43-48

 

[Wansvic]

Peter was speaking on the Day of Pentecost to faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit. The part of the equation they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved (Acts 4:12). In presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus’ name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified. They had professed the Father and the Spirit, but they needed to profess the Son. Those who received the gospel that day devoted themselves to the lordship of Jesus. They no longer rejected Him but acknowledged Him as their Messiah and only Hope for salvation.

Acts 10:43-48 pertains to Gentiles.

 

[Wansvic]

Peter’s emphasis on the name of Jesus is understandable, given that he was speaking to the very same Jews who had before rejected and denied Jesus as their Messiah.

The detailed accounts below may be of help. They reveal baptism in the name of Jesus is a reference to water baptism as receiving the Holy Ghost takes place separately . The accounts include individuals of every nationality submitting to water baptism in the name of Jesus in accordance with the message given at Pentecost. And affirm whose name Jesus was referring to in Matthew 28:19 as well:

Acts 2:38-39 (Jews) The group did not receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believed in Jesus. However, they are told they shall receive the Holy Ghost.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans- those half Jew and half Gentile)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Acts 19:2-6 (Disciples who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[Branch]

Jesus was fully God, and fully man. As such He had all authority in both heaven and earth. Considering that fact why would He then state to baptize in titles? He didn't. Scripture reveals we are told to baptize in a name. The name that is above every name. And that name is Jesus as revealed by the actions of Jesus' apostles.

The sum of God's word is truth. Meaning study of the word of God will reveal the truth. A corrupt understanding comes from accepting only portions of the word and mingling bits and pieces from outside sources that contradict it's teachings.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry." 2 Tim 3:16-4:5

I meant this for Wansvic, not CS1.

Dear Wansvic,

The Pentecostal oneness theory is wrong. Their are three separate, distinct individuals in one the bible says this. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Matthew 24:36 Haven't you heard of The Lord Jesus Christ, Father, the Almighty God who made the heavens and the earth and everything else we know about and also the unknown we don't know about? That our Father God has created."Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding." Isaiah 40:28 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Genesis 1:1 The Lord Jesus Christ said, "Before Abraham was, I am.""Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."John 8:58 Our Lord Jesus was with God."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:1-3 The Lord's Prayer starts with "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Matthew 6:9 Jesus is proclaiming his Father, God, to be the Father of all Christians, because all the way through the New Testament, the Lord speaks and prays to his heavenly Father."These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:"John 17:1

I know Pentecostals. I'm Pentecostal, but I believe that every part of the bible is true and not up for interpretation. I had debated with a visiting minister who was Pentecostal because our minister, Pastor Colman, May God bless his soul, had gone home and never brought up these controversial teachings. I wasn't aware that the Pentecostals had omitted parts of the bible that didn't fit in with their weird doctrine until this visiting preacher. After his sermon at church, I walked over to the stage. I talked to him about what John the Baptist said: "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:" Matt 3:11. When I was stating bible truths, I looked into his eyes, his pupils looked like two black wormholes. I realised he was not in the right spirit and that he was a cultist. And this thing about Pentecostals believing that a person to be saved must be baptised in their baptismal pool is false. It's alarming that some Pentecostal churches think that they are the only denomination of Christians worldwide that's going to heaven. It is false.
God bless you, brother.

 

[Branch]

It was certainly a ridiculous and unwarranted question.

I meant it for Wansvic. It was pretty obvious it was for the other guy. All my words were bible truths, what was out of line about that?

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:1-3

 

[Branch]

BillG, precisely what do you disagree with about the bible truth stated? Yes, I got the wrong person, but what's stated is the truth of the matter.

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:1-3

 

[Magenta]

I meant it for Wansvic. It was pretty obvious it was for the other guy.

No, you quoted one person, that is who it is obvious you are speaking to, if you made an error in using the
system then you should just own up to it and not pretend others should all know you made a mistake.

 

[Branch]

No, you quoted one person, that is who it is obvious you are speaking to, if you made an error in using the
system then you should just own up to it and not pretend others should all know you made a mistake.

What I am saying is that it was part of the conversation for the other guy. You were being uncharitable and mean for no good reason.

 

[Branch]

What I am saying is that it was part of the conversation for the other guy. You were being uncharitable and mean for no good reason.

• 3 John 1:2:
  "Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well."

 

[Magenta]

What I am saying is that it was part of the conversation for the other guy. You were being uncharitable and mean for no good reason.

So on Monday you are talking to one person and then on Friday you quote someone else
having addressed others in the same thread and everyone is just supposed to know you
made a mistake? You are being quite unrealistic to insist people should know that.

Why are you being so uncharitable and mean???????? And for no good reason!!!