The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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FreeGrace2 said:
Definition: believing something that isn't found in the Bible.

Said the guy who has no case, because he has no Scripture to back up his claims.

There will always be "an issue" about your presumption of a pretrib rapture. There won't be one. The single resurrection of all believers will occur "wheh He comes" as 1 Cor 15:23 says very plainly. And backed up by 2 Thess 2:1-3.

[UOTE]I provided instances where they were.
"""But you cannot provide ANY verses that have Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven at ANY TIME.Everything I've posted about you is truth.Rather than lying, which is a lie in itself, I changed the subject back to the more important issue.How can I be "desperate" when you give me examples all the time tRather, what is really sick is claiming something the Bible does NOT SAY. Making up stuff and believing is is "solid Bible" is what is sick.You should stop"""




Show me anything in my post that is not true.

You made the charge.

I confront you

You just change the subject.

You lied about me


No apology

No proof

You can not be taken seriously.

To come in here and lie is pretty sick my friend.

Prove your point or move on.
All you are doing is stalking.
And lying?

You lie to hope for what????
Why are you even in here?????
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
OK, now you get to explain how a "wife" (meaning already married) "has now made herself ready".

So, ready for what, exactly?

Sure, just ignore my question, because you know you can't answer it intelligently.
You are full of empty charges and claims, but you are quite empty of any evidence that supports these empty charges and claims.
you omitted "wife" in your verses.[/QUOTE]
Huh? How could I omit "wife" when my request to you was to explain how a "wife" is "now making herself ready" in Rev 19?

So, instead of any explanation, you just punt and lie about what I didn't do.

Stop acting like you didn't
Stop lying. It's very un-Christian-like.
 
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The following in blue looks like something Abs posted, but it is from me.
But you cannot provide ANY verses that have Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven at ANY TIME.
Everything I've posted about you is truth.
Rather than lying, which is a lie in itself, I changed the subject back to the more important issue.
My focus is on the so-called rapture.
How can I be "desperate" when you give me examples all the time to point out?
Rather, what is really sick is claiming something the Bible does NOT SAY. Making up stuff and believing is is "solid Bible" is what is sick.
You should stop
.
Now Abs response to what I posted above.
Show me anything in my post that is not true.

You made the charge.
I confront you
You just change the subject.
You lied about me
No apology
No proof
You can not be taken seriously.
To come in here and lie is pretty sick my friend.
Prove your point or move on.
All you are doing is stalking.
And lying?
You lie to hope for what????
Why are you even in here?????
What desperation!! I explained what I did, but you have to twist is around as if I was staying on the same subject that you were on.

So you lie and act like I was addressing the subject in your post, which I clearly wasn't.

But the truth has never stopped you from continuing your lying patterns.
 
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Plain ignorant

Jesus only took 2 or 3 with him to raise the dead damsel.
Same with the mount of transfiguration.

Pssst...that means the others were excluded.

You have no case at all
None
Fg response to my post conversing with another member;
"""Said the guy who has no case, because he has no Scripture to back up his claims."""

You lied.
Big time.

Apologize or get away from me.
 

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I laid out several facts in rev 14.
They need factoring in.

You did everything but that.

Yes they are sealed. Only Jews are sealed. Only 144k Jews are sealed. And that happens 7 chapters earlier, and of course they are on earth as is obvious

Rev 14 ONLY 144k JEWS ARE GROUPED AND SEALED,AND STANDING IN HEAVEN AS FIRSTFRUITS. IT IS A FACT.

It is that dynamic of "FIRSTFRUITS" that really MAGNIFIES rev 14.
Is there only 10 Virgin Brides? No, the number 10 means Completeness. The 144,000 are a CODE for ALL Israel, just like the new Jerusalem's measurements add up to 144,000. 12 Fullness x 10. God does the same throughout the Old Testament, and in the book of Revelation. So is it 144,000 or 7000 ? God has stated both, but if one understand God speak, they understand that 7 = Completion as does 10 and thus 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000, thus its the same as 12 Fulness x 12 x 10 Completeness x 10 x 10. It just means COMPLETENESS, that's all. What does 7 Spirits and 7 Eyes mean in Revelation? It means God sees all and is everywhere !! Is Israel who are fleeing Judea a REAL WOMAN (Rev. 12) ? Of course not. God uses numbers throughout the Old Testament and does so in the book of Revelation because the CODE to the book of Rev. is found in the Old Testament. Out of 404 verses 289 have O.T. verbiage for a reason. When it states 10,000 x 10,000 in Revelation, its nit really 200 million angels, its the whole host of Heaven. How could God explain the amount coming with him, by just saying 10, which was known to mean completeness.

The Firstfruits here are the first-fruits of the Jewish people who have the Fathers name on their forehead. They are the Wheat. The Barley comes in first and doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted, the Church is ready to be sifted now. We are seen in verse 14 in a FLASHBACK, the wicked are seen in verses 17-20, that is why this is the Harvest Chapter. Basically God uses the three main Harvest Festivals to illustrate the three Harvests, the Barley comes in first and doesn't need to be crushed in order to be sifted, the Barley has a first-fruit. The Wheat and tares grow together, the Wheat have a first-fruit also, but they have to be crushed to bring in the firstfruits via the sifting that can only come after the wheat has been crushed , the Grapes also have a first-fruits, and are seen i verses 17-20 being crushed to death.

So, each Harvest indeed has a FIRST-FRUIT, I understand that brother. But they are not the same Harvest, God uses all three Harvest Feasts to show us his harvesting actions to come.

Under your theory, which you omit the components, " firstfruits" does not fit at all. Nor does it (firstfruits) mean anything in what you laid out.

It is the gathering of the Jews.
No way around it, and it happens DURING the gt. ( hence firstfruit Jews EXCLUSIVELY)

It is neither the rapture, nor the second coming.
Not at all, I just understand they Harvests are different fruits. Yes, it is indeed the Jews. the 3-5 million who repent, not all MEN VIRGINS, just like the 10 Female Virgins do not mean the Church is all female.

And this is why you conflate they twain. It is indeed the Second Coming, NOTICE, the Wicked get crushed in the Wrath of God's Wine-press in verses 17-20l now go read Revelation 16:19, God states that He put Babylon the Great (Whole Worlds Kings who gather & all the worlds peoples as Vial #6 show) into the winepress of His Wrath. Every grain/fruit has a FIRST-FRUIT.

If you have Apples you have a First-fruits which are the first to be picked, bit if you have Oranges you also have a First-fruit. Barley comes in before the Wheat.
 
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Fg response to my post conversing with another member;
"""Said the guy who has no case, because he has no Scripture to back up his claims."""

You lied.
Big time.

Apologize or get away from me.
You are free to leave any time. But in the meantime, if you want to have any credibility, please provide Scripture that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

My response was about THAT; your failure to support your presumption.

But you already knew that.
 

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Thy Kingdom Come is in the Lord's Prayer (which is really the Disciples Prayer....Smile) and The Kingdom Age is all throughout the Old Testament, as a matter of fact if you look at the Statue in Dan. 2 and the Beasts of Dan. 7, if you simply take out the Church Age they all FIT PERFECTLY TOGETHER !! But God had to put the 70th week off because Israel refused to repent. They will repent during the soon to come 70th week.

And we are indeed told it will be a 1000 years. In Revelation, WATCH: I will show you how to dig God's truths out here sister. This is why we have to use the whole bible.

Rev. 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them (Church who returns with Jesus), and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {{{This is the first resurrection.}}}

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.(This really should go ABOVE {{{see above}}} the way we say things today WATCH)


6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire(this is why he is not cast into hell with the Beast and False Prophet in Rev. 19 but ONLY NOW a 1000 years later) and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God(The Second Resurrection 1000 years later); and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell(Hades/the Grave) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So, the New Heaven and New Earth has NO SEA......But the Wicked Dead were raised after Satan's 1000 years of being locked in the pit, from their graves even those in the sea, so of course Jesus has to reign on this earth for the 1000 years in which Satan is in the bottomless pit, there will be NO SEA in the New Heaven and earth.

Nothing has to be STATED EMPHATICALLY for us to understand God's deep truths. By the way, I think this is an EMPHATIC UTTERANCE that leaves no doubt that Jesus reigns on this earth for 1000 years.
So you believe a nation of people control what God does. For me i believe God is sovereign . As to His Kingdom The Scriptures are clear, Gods Word is explicate The Kingdom is as the Scriptures say Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Theologians have built their own views over the years And here we can read Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Notice the tense here Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
 
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Is there only 10 Virgin Brides? No, the number 10 means Completeness. The 144,000 are a CODE for ALL Israel, just like the new Jerusalem's measurements add up to 144,000. 12 Fullness x 10. God does the same throughout the Old Testament, and in the book of Revelation. So is it 144,000 or 7000 ? God has stated both, but if one understand God speak, they understand that 7 = Completion as does 10 and thus 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000, thus its the same as 12 Fulness x 12 x 10 Completeness x 10 x 10. It just means COMPLETENESS, that's all. What does 7 Spirits and 7 Eyes mean in Revelation? It means God sees all and is everywhere !! Is Israel who are fleeing Judea a REAL WOMAN (Rev. 12) ? Of course not. God uses numbers throughout the Old Testament and does so in the book of Revelation because the CODE to the book of Rev. is found in the Old Testament. Out of 404 verses 289 have O.T. verbiage for a reason. When it states 10,000 x 10,000 in Revelation, its nit really 200 million angels, its the whole host of Heaven. How could God explain the amount coming with him, by just saying 10, which was known to mean completeness.

The Firstfruits here are the first-fruits of the Jewish people who have the Fathers name on their forehead. They are the Wheat. The Barley comes in first and doesn't need to be crushed before it can be sifted, the Church is ready to be sifted now. We are seen in verse 14 in a FLASHBACK, the wicked are seen in verses 17-20, that is why this is the Harvest Chapter. Basically God uses the three main Harvest Festivals to illustrate the three Harvests, the Barley comes in first and doesn't need to be crushed in order to be sifted, the Barley has a first-fruit. The Wheat and tares grow together, the Wheat have a first-fruit also, but they have to be crushed to bring in the firstfruits via the sifting that can only come after the wheat has been crushed , the Grapes also have a first-fruits, and are seen i verses 17-20 being crushed to death.

So, each Harvest indeed has a FIRST-FRUIT, I understand that brother. But they are not the same Harvest, God uses all three Harvest Feasts to show us his harvesting actions to come.


Not at all, I just understand they Harvests are different fruits. Yes, it is indeed the Jews. the 3-5 million who repent, not all MEN VIRGINS, just like the 10 Female Virgins do not mean the Church is all female.

And this is why you conflate they twain. It is indeed the Second Coming, NOTICE, the Wicked get crushed in the Wrath of God's Wine-press in verses 17-20l now go read Revelation 16:19, God states that He put Babylon the Great (Whole Worlds Kings who gather & all the worlds peoples as Vial #6 show) into the winepress of His Wrath. Every grain/fruit has a FIRST-FRUIT.

If you have Apples you have a First-fruits which are the first to be picked, bit if you have Oranges you also have a First-fruit. Barley comes in before the Wheat.
Ok
In the first place. 144000 is NOT 12000x10.
144k is 12000 x12.
So that throws your foundation off.

Further, they CAN NOT be firstfruits and COMPLETENESS at the same time.

By the virtue of their designation of "firstfruits" it AUTOMATICALLY POINTS to MAIN HARVEST. ( the 144k are a small fraction of the Jewish harvest in rev 14:14)

Further , the Jews in rev 14 are not at all wheat or barley. We already have the firstfruits of that harvest in Jesus.
Rev 14 is grape harvest.

In the dynamics of heaven "last" and "first" are interchangeable.

The first miracle Jesus did was at a JEWISH wedding.
Wine was interlinked.
Jesus DID NOT step in UNTIL the first wine was diminished. (illustrating rev 14)
By rev 14 all the gentile bride is removed. Now the next wine is gathered, the Jews.

If you attempt to unpack the last harvest of the righteous without the enlightenment of the first miracle, you will never get there.

They are the same dynamic.

The giveaway that made me notice that hidden jewel of truth was the Holy Spirit pointing out "...but you saved the best for last"

( his Jewish covenant people)

They come in last.
They are the grape harvest
The summer harvest.
Rev 14 can only be unpacked if all the components stay in place and they are not tampered with.

That is why the 144k are exclusively Jewish and are the first part of the Jewish gathering of rev 14:14.
Firstfruits.
Firstfruit Jews.
 

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FreeGrace2 said:
OK, now you get to explain how a "wife" (meaning already married) "has now made herself ready".

[...]
Huh? How could I omit "wife" when my request to you was to explain how a "wife" is "now making herself ready" in Rev 19?
A couple things to consider:

1) the word in Revelation 19:7 is also used in Matthew 27:19 (about an "already married" woman--namely, Pilate's "wife") - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/27-19.htm ... same Greek word;

2) why do you keep INSERTING the word "now" when the text itself does not have that word (I see it nowhere in this text);
but instead states: "the marriage of the Lamb came and the bride [/wife] of Him prepared herself" ("aorist indicative" for each of those)













[note to readers: "aorist indicative" is also used in verse 6 for the verb "has reigned / reigneth" -
Berean Literal Bible
And I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the sound of many waters, and like a sound of mighty thunders, saying: "Hallelujah! For the Lord God our Almighty has reigned.

King James Bible
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.]
 
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You are free to leave any time. But in the meantime, if you want to have any credibility, please provide Scripture that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

My response was about THAT; your failure to support your presumption.

But you already knew that.
I already showed you rev 14.

You have no standing at all.
None.

Stop lying
 
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A couple things to consider:

1) the word in Revelation 19:7 is also used in Matthew 27:19 (about an "already married" woman--namely, Pilate's "wife") - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/27-19.htm ... same Greek word;

2) why do you keep INSERTING the word "now" when the text itself does not have that word (I see it nowhere in this text);
but instead states: "the marriage of the Lamb came and the bride [/wife] of Him prepared herself" ("aorist indicative" for each of those)
FG actually posted the verse and intentionally left out "wife".

He has no intention of honestly unpacking anything.

SMH
 
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You are free to leave any time. But in the meantime, if you want to have any credibility, please provide Scripture that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

My response was about THAT; your failure to support your presumption.

But you already knew that.
I corner you in your lying.
Your next words ;"you can leave at anytime"

That is a cognitive dynamic.

Actually , a lack of it.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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FG actually posted the verse and intentionally left out "wife".

He has no intention of honestly unpacking anything.

SMH
Well, the kjv translates it as "bride," so there's that...


(but like I pointed out... the same Greek word is used in Matt27:19 translated there as "wife"--speaking of Pilate's wife)

I corner you in your lying.
Your next words ;"you can leave at anytime"
I think he was responding specifically to the part where you'd said (in the bold):
abs:
You lied.
Big time.

Apologize or get away from me.
That is a cognitive dynamic.

Actually , a lack of it.

Simmer down, fellas :D
 

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So you believe a nation of people control what God does. For me i believe God is sovereign . As to His Kingdom The Scriptures are clear, Gods Word is explicate The Kingdom is as the Scriptures say Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Theologians have built their own views over the years And here we can read Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Notice the tense here Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
We can go off in other directions if we want sister, but I proved Jesus reigns on this earth for 1000 years, and its called the Kingdom Age. Are you really trying to say us humans on earth will control God (Jesus) ? Really? The bible states Jesus will rule with a Rod of Iron. That need not be said of some who were against him were not allowed to live. He will slay many, but many will still be on this earth, and they will be mandated by Jesus to be righteous, they will have to live amidst Jesus whom they mocked, they will have to own up to their ideas (Trans/Homosexual etc.) being ignorant. Jesus dwells in Jerusalem for 1000 years during the Kingdom Age.

Could you see Obama and Soros mandated to worshiping the ways of Jesus? Having to eat crow, knowing they were the duped ones not us who loved Jesus? :cool: If you love sin you will not be around long. I will have a glorious body by that time and WE (us, the church) will not rule in this earth with Jesus, ONLY those who died as Martyrs during the 70th week will live and reign with Christ in this earth fir 1000 years, so says Revelation 20:4. My guess is we go back to Heave to do other things. When New Jerusalem descends I WONDER why its called the Bride? Maybe we are in it !!
 

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Thy Kingdom Come is in the Lord's Prayer (which is really the Disciples Prayer....Smile) and The Kingdom Age is all throughout the Old Testament, as a matter of fact if you look at the Statue in Dan. 2 and the Beasts of Dan. 7, if you simply take out the Church Age they all FIT PERFECTLY TOGETHER !! But God had to put the 70th week off because Israel refused to repent. They will repent during the soon to come 70th week.
But God had to put the 70th week off because Israel refused to repent. They will repent during the soon to come 70th week.
[QUOTE="Rondonmon] said Are you really trying to say us humans on earth will control God (Jesus) ? Really?[/QUOTE]

That is what you said.

Still learning how things work here :)
 

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Every form of dispensationalism, i come across, shows the low value placed on the greatest happening in Gods history.

Spent 40 plus years living and breathing dispensationalism.
 

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^ Note Jesus' words: "
Mat 23:39
"For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."


--the "proleptic 'you/ye'"


(they will indeed say this in the future, during the "7 yr" period leading UP TO Christ's "RETURN" to the earth)
 

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^ Compare: Gen43:3,5; 44:23,26 and context



43:3 - "And Judah spake unto him, saying, The man [Joseph] did solemnly protest unto us, saying, Ye shall not see my face, except your brother be with you."

43:5 - "But if thou wilt not send him, we will not go down: for the man said unto us, Ye shall not see my face, except your brother be with you."

44:23 - "And thou saidst unto thy servants, Except your youngest brother come down with you, ye shall see my face no more."

44:26 - "And we said, We cannot go down: if our youngest brother be with us, then will we go down: for we may not see the man's face, except our youngest brother be with us."




[consider also Joseph's TWO dreams...the FIRST one in connection with Christ's FIRST ADVENT... the SECOND one in connection with Christ's SECOND ADVENT (yet future)]
 
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A couple things to consider:

1) the word in Revelation 19:7 is also used in Matthew 27:19 (about an "already married" woman--namely, Pilate's "wife") - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/27-19.htm ... same Greek word;

2) why do you keep INSERTING the word "now" when the text itself does not have that word (I see it nowhere in this text);
but instead states: "the marriage of the Lamb came and the bride [/wife] of Him prepared herself" ("aorist indicative" for each of those)
New International Version
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
English Standard Version
Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Berean Study Bible
Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready.
Berean Literal Bible
We should rejoice and should exult and will give to Him the glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready.
New American Standard Bible
Let’s rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has prepared herself.”

If the wedding has already taken place, why even mention that "the Bride has made herself ready"? That doesn't make sense.

Regarding the "wedding of the Lamb" we read it "has come". Does this mean it is alreay over? I don't take it that way. When an anticipated event is just about to occur, it is commonly said that the event "has come". And the Bride "has made herself ready".

Most pretribbers (maybe all of them) think the wedding occurs soon after all the glorified believers reach heaven after the rapture. If that were true, consider that Rev 19 is obviously at the end of the Tribulation, and the end of the chapter is the King and army prepared to go back to earth and then ending the battle of Armageddon.

So the wording for both the wedding and the supper would seem very weird if all of that occurred 7 years before. Why mention that the Bride "has made herself ready" if the event is now history (7 yrs ago)?

What I see in the chapter is the Bride getting ready for the wedding and supper and then IMMEDIATELY the whole group accompanying King Jesus to earth to end the Trib and THEN enjoy the wedding and supper, on earth.

[note to readers: "aorist indicative" is also used in verse 6 for the verb "has reigned / reigneth" -
Berean Literal Bible
And I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the sound of many waters, and like a sound of mighty thunders, saying: "Hallelujah! For the Lord God our Almighty has reigned.

King James Bible
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.]
Most of the translations on biblehub.com have "reigns", like the KJV. However, consider these 2:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then I heard something like the voice of a vast multitude, like the sound of cascading waters, and like the rumbling of loud thunder, saying: Hallelujah, because our Lord God, the Almighty, has begun to reign!
International Standard Version
Then I heard what sounded like the voice of a large crowd, like the sound of raging waters, and like the sound of powerful thunderclaps, saying, "Hallelujah! The Lord our God, the Almighty, is reigning.

Yes, the verb is an aorist, but every translation treats it like a present. And Wallace notes that the aorist can be used in the present tense. iow, it's not always a past tense event when the aorist is used.
 
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