The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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Could you provide any of the "many scriptures" that actually "suggest" a pretrib rapture?
Sure the two comings of The Lord in Matthew 24 and The church already in Heaven in the Book of Revelation and the 70 weeks of Daniel and the end of the church age and anything else that can obscure the simple fact That God is coming in Hot in flaming fire. But not before He raises the dead in Christ and catches up the living believers they go out to meet Him on his descent and escort Him on His journey to rule and reign with Him a thousand years
 
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A friendly advise, stop watching those prophecy shows and listening to those celebrity pastors, do your own research, read your own bible, contexualize these key verses and have constructive discussion with your peers.
Oh and who are you??? Haven't seen you here before. Your about 25 yrs late if that advice is for me.
 
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Sure the two comings of The Lord in Matthew 24 and The church already in Heaven in the Book of Revelation and the 70 weeks of Daniel and the end of the church age and anything else that can obscure the simple fact That God is coming in Hot in flaming fire. But not before He raises the dead in Christ and catches up the living believers they go out to meet Him on his descent and escort Him on His journey to rule and reign with Him a thousand years
He reigns today, where He is doesnt matter except in terms of the growth of the Kingdom . While the Kingdom is growing it is better that He not be on earth in the body.
 
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He reigns today, where He is doesnt matter except in terms of the growth of the Kingdom . While the Kingdom is growing it is better that He not be on earth in the body.
What ever Hitch . I'm sure He is busy knowing a billion trillion galaxies of stars by their names.
 

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The DAY OF THE LORD is the rapture . If we are talking about the Second coming of Christ. The dead in Christ rise first, the we which are alive are caught up to meet them in the air. It’s been covered 1 Thessalonians 4:14. Lest you be corrupted by theology . Take the plain statements of scripture.
No. The day of the Lord and the rapture are mutually exclusive. For you to say that they are one and the same thing proves you do not know what you're talking about.

The rapture is instantaneous, and pre-trib. The Day of the Lord starts with the revealing of THE man of sin aka beginning of birth pangs aka start of Daniel's 70th aka start of the Tribulation......and continues on for seven years until the Second Coming. And then into the infinite future.
 
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No. The day of the Lord and the rapture are mutually exclusive. For you to say that they are one and the same thing proves you do not know what you're talking about.

The rapture is instantaneous, and pre-trib. The Day of the Lord starts with the revealing of THE man of sin aka beginning of birth pangs aka start of Daniel's 70th aka start of the Tribulation......and continues on for seven years until the Second Coming. And then into the infinite future.
I sell Oklahoma beach front properties on the side , give me a jingle.
 
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Oh and who are you??? Haven't seen you here before. Your about 25 yrs late if that advice is for me.
Scoff at me and enjoy in your falsehood in anyway you want. Nowhere in the bible indicates a "pre-trib secret rapture", every "proof text" of the rapture doctrine is associated with the literal second coming of Jesus and a mass resurrection, which is a one-off event set on the Day of the Lord.
 
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Passover He is the Passove Lamb
unlevened Bread He is the bread of life/ comumion
Firstfruits that again is our Lord.
Pentecost Acts 2
trumpets He is our rest.
Day of Atonement .The day the veil rent.
Tabernacles He is the cornerstone
Saint your a bit off here....well more than a bit. Is this from your findings? I like to help you on this if you'd like😊
 
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Scoff at me and enjoy in your falsehood in anyway you want. Nowhere in the bible indicates a "pre-trib secret rapture", every "proof text" of the rapture doctrine is associated with the literal second coming of Jesus and a mass resurrection, which is a one-off event set on the Day of the Lord.
Oh I scoffed you? You said no where in the bible indicates the rapture yet instead of asking what my findings were you just jump right in and try to belittling me.
I've had over 30 yrs of this nonsense of people like you bulling there views. Picked the wrong arena kid.
 
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Oh I scoffed you? You said no where in the bible indicates the rapture yet instead of asking what my findings were you just jump right in and try to belittling me.
I've had over 30 yrs of this nonsense of people like you bulling there views. Picked the wrong arena kid.
Arrogant and condescending, but scoffing?? Yeah that was you.
 
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Oh I scoffed you? You said no where in the bible indicates the rapture yet instead of asking what my findings were you just jump right in and try to belittling me.
I've had over 30 yrs of this nonsense of people like you bulling there views. Picked the wrong arena kid.
I said Bible does indicate rapture, but NOT a secret one on a random day as all these wolves in sheep's clothing have been promoting. That's a dystopia movie plot, not a legit bible prophecy. The real nonsense is the inability to distinguish fiction from reality.
 
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I said Bible does indicate rapture, but NOT a secret one on a random day as all these wolves in sheep's clothing have been promoting. That's a dystopia movie plot, not a legit bible prophecy. The real nonsense is the inability to distinguish fiction from reality.
To come as a thief in the night....
No man knows what day or hour...
Be ready for you do not know what hour your Lord comes...

Dunno maybe my Bible's broke.
 
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To come as a thief in the night....
No man knows what day or hour...
Be ready for you do not know what hour your Lord comes...

Dunno maybe my Bible's broke.
That's because everybody's sleeping like a baby on a spiritual level when they should've been sober and alert, when they should've been ready and expecting as the DAY approaches, not because they have no idea about it at all like fools! In the same Olivet Discourse Jesus told about the Ten Virgins, and ALL OF THEM are asleep at the beginning, the difference is that five are prepared and five are not! If the timing is meant to be hidden, then why would Jesus give this longest sermon of the entire bible to the disciples?
 

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Jesus claimed all the power and authority there is .

, of restored visible rulership in the highest I gather you cant quite accept His current position since you cant see Him , be assured His power is by no means limited by your sight.
Hi Hitch,

Good talking to you. Yes we agree that Jesus, when He ascended up on high to the Father`s right hand, then He was given all power and authority far above all. (Eph. 1: 20 - 22) Now the Father is Spirit, (John 4: 24) and no one has seen Him or can see Him, as He dwells in unapproachable light. (1 Tim. 6: 16)

Thus that throne, (authority) is beyond any to see. So when Christ is appointed in the third heaven, (angelic realm) we will be able to visibly see Him with all that authority and power that the Father gave Him.

However at the moment the Lord Jesus Christ is on the Father`s throne till the Father says for Him to go to His own throne. Those two are mentioned in Rev. 3: 21.

Here is a diagram of these thrones.

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10 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

The last enemy is death, death is destroyed by resurrection ,not before. So I cant imagine why you cited this passage. Nothing in this Psalm requires His being visible.
A footstool is for judgment. And we know that when the Lord begins to use His rod of judgment then it is a process.

`For He must reign TILL He has put ALL enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.` (1 Cor. 15: 25 & 26)

Thus we see that there are many enemies, - rebellious rules, powers, and authorities. (1 Cor. 15: 24)
 

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10 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

The last enemy is death, death is destroyed by resurrection ,not before. So I cant imagine why you cited this passage. Nothing in this Psalm requires His being visible.
As to being `visible,` we read that the Father appoints the Son on Mount Zion. This is the symbol for the rule in the third heaven. (Ps. 2: 6 & Heb. 12: 22) This is the throne, authority revealed in Rev. 4. This is the public inauguration of the Lord, the King(High) priest over all of God`s great kingdom.

The Body of Christ has been taken there and also crowned as Kingpriests. They are represented by the 24 elders. 24 being the double anointing of kings and Priests. No other realm has these two offices together,
 
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