The Fixed Earth

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charisenexcelcis

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Gravity is measurable and provable. The masses of the trees are not sufficient to overcome the mass of earth. Far enough away from a large object, it would be possible and even observable for birds to rotate around trees. I'm curious to what your explanation is of the observable laws of acceleration of fall, which are dependent on mass rather than weight.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
It is difficult at times to deal with the mixture of truth and falsehood that the world follows. We can only be faithful to the Truth of the Word of God without getting distracted by side issues. I do not believe that enspousing heliocentricity opens me to a denial of creation. Our significance does not come from the size of the earth, but from God's love for us and His grace and forgiveness. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth onHim should not perish but have everlasting life."
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Well the truth is that God created the hevean and earth on the first day, and He created 'lights' in the firmament (expanse raqiyq) on the fourth day! Well you cannot orbit something that does not exist, stars were also created on the fourth day, why? To serve as lights and to regulate seasons, how? by their movement, their orbit around the earth which was created before them,' hung on nothing' and 'established so it cannot be moved'... I do believe in the word of God.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
Gravity is measurable and provable. The masses of the trees are not sufficient to overcome the mass of earth. Far enough away from a large object, it would be possible and even observable for birds to rotate around trees. I'm curious to what your explanation is of the observable laws of acceleration of fall, which are dependent on mass rather than weight.
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Well are they going into orbit? Do apples fall down directly onto Newtons head or do they go into orbit around Newton's head, which one is it? Is the earth falling into the sun????
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I believe that God created the earth before he created the sun. His miraculous works are not limited to gravity. By the way, I also believe that God created enough water to flood the earth and then uncreated it. I marvel at His creation, at it delicate balnced and unfathomable complexity. I believe he created those four basice forces of the universe as well as their respective subatomic particles for our benefit, just as he filled the earth with food and set up the weather. And I believe in an open universe where miracles are possible.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Well are they going into orbit? Do apples fall down directly onto Newtons head or do they go into orbit around Newton's head, which one is it? Is the earth falling into the sun????
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So why do two objects of the same size but different weight accelerate at the same rate? What is your explanation?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
I believe that God created the earth before he created the sun. His miraculous works are not limited to gravity. By the way, I also believe that God created enough water to flood the earth and then uncreated it. I marvel at His creation, at it delicate balnced and unfathomable complexity. I believe he created those four basice forces of the universe as well as their respective subatomic particles for our benefit, just as he filled the earth with food and set up the weather. And I believe in an open universe where miracles are possible.
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Gravity would need to be a miracle, seeming there is no evidence for it, Newton himself admitted that the theory, was unresolved and unproven. However God word is truthful and I have no reason to doubt it based upon assumptions and unproven, unobservable phenomena.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
So why do two objects of the same size but different weight accelerate at the same rate? What is your explanation?
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Depends what the objects are, and whether they are being pushed rather than being pulled, for example a feather will not accelerate to earth in a direct line as fast as a one ton lead weight.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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But gravity is provable. Unfortunately, anything is deniable. While you proclaim that you do not believe in gravity, your only explanation for us remaining on the earth is that of a sustained miracle. Gravity is the name of that miracle.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Depends what the objects are, and whether they are being pushed rather than being pulled, for example a feather will not accelerate to earth in a direct line as fast as a one ton lead weight.
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Two object, the same size accelerate at the same rate. If you made a one ton iron feather and a equalsize and shape feather they would accelarate at the same rate.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
But gravity is provable. Unfortunately, anything is deniable. While you proclaim that you do not believe in gravity, your only explanation for us remaining on the earth is that of a sustained miracle. Gravity is the name of that miracle.
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No, gravity is not provable, gravitas is a latin word which is used in a modern theory proposed first by Newton to describe the law of attraction, we both agreed that gravity is a very weak force, and it is flawed, so flawed that it cannot decide whether it is determining orbit or acceleration in a direct line.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
Two object, the same size accelerate at the same rate. If you made a one ton iron feather and a equalsize and shape feather they would accelarate at the same rate.
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That's correct, so we have established the two objects then and that the force acting upon them is equal, but it's not any two objects, we just cannot pick any objects we need to find ones of an equal weight, so they would be accelerating at the same rate.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
No, gravity is not provable, gravitas is a latin word which is used in a modern theory proposed first by Newton to describe the law of attraction, we both agreed that gravity is a very weak force, and it is flawed, so flawed that it cannot decide whether it is determining orbit or acceleration in a direct line.
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We have to call it something. to deny the existence of gravity based upon word origin is silly. Again, gravity is provable and measurable. The calculation of its strength relative to strong nuclear force is six times ten to the negative thirty ninth power.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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The calculation of gravitational attraction is that the force of attraction is equal to the power of gravity multiplied by the mass of the first object and the mass of the second object and divided by the distance separating them squared.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Cup-of-Ruin said:
That's correct, so we have established the two objects then and that the force acting upon them is equal, but it's not any two objects, we just cannot pick any objects we need to find ones of an equal weight, so they would be accelerating at the same rate.
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They don't have to be equal wieght. They merely have to be the same size and shape. It is mass that matters, not weight.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I have to go now, I pray that God will give you peace regarding these thing. God bless and good night.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
We have to call it something. to deny the existence of gravity based upon word origin is silly. Again, gravity is provable and measurable. The calculation of its strength relative to strong nuclear force is six times ten to the negative thirty ninth power.
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I am not denying the observable phenomena of attraction, this is provable, what is not provable is that is that mass causes attraction with direct straight acceleration, let alone orbit which of course is a contradition of terms unless we hypothesize further and add another assumption.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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charisenexcelcis said:
They don't have to be equal wieght. They merely have to be the same size and shape. It is mass that matters, not weight.
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If you look back you can see that you suggested first that they be equal weight, now you have changed the objects again, this time to objects of the same size and shape, so which is it? I am quite aware of the method you are hinting but you are unable to quantify.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
I have to go now, I pray that God will give you peace regarding these thing. God bless and good night.
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Blessings, and may He lead you into all truth.

"The sun also riseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place - where he arose." Ecc. 1:5
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Depends what the objects are, and whether they are being pushed rather than being pulled, for example a feather will not accelerate to earth in a direct line as fast as a one ton lead weight.
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They did on the mooon, they did the experiment with a hammer and a feather.
 
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greatkraw

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charisenexcelcis said:
Do you believe that the earth can rotate around you? My experiment prove how weak gravity is. If the gravity of the earth was strong enough to hold the sun, it would be strong enough to pull the pencil out of your hand. Do you see the contridiction in your argument? The mass of the sun is much greater than that earth and therefore, this weakest of the basic forces can still hold the earth in orbit.
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