The fourth beast in Daniel 7 who devours the whole earth?

[Ahwatukee]

Now you are going on a tangent wanting to discuss God's Word in general and the proper approach to interpretation.

Let us get back on point and that is Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 have spiritual truths in it.

Many fail to recognize these spiritual truths and this is where they skew into erroneous interpretations

[quoteDaniel 7:11
11 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire.

Daniel 7:11 is about the spiritual defeat of Satan at the cross. Daniel 7:11 is about spiritual truth, not earthly truth. But too many people aren't interested in spiritual truth. They want to hold fast to a literal interpretation of Daniel 7:11 and want to see an earthly literal defeat of some future empire. They want an earthly literal 1000 yr reign with Christ. But spiritual truth they are not interested in. Spiritual salvation they are not looking for.

The spiritual truth that you speak of gets rid of the literal meaning of scripture. Both Daniel and Revelation are speaking about actual events, with actual persons that will literally take place. Regarding this, Daniel told king Nebuchadnezzar the following:

Most of the time these so-called 'spiritual truths' are just made up by expositors. They force them into the scripture.

"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

The blazing fire that the antichrist/beast will be thrown into, is referring to the lake of fire which will be a literal event that will take place when the Lord returns to the earth. Satan on the other hand, will be seized by that mighty angel and will be thrown into the Abyss which is under the earth and will be sealed for a literal thousand years. And as scripture states, at the end of that thousand Satan will be released for one more deception against mankind and then he will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown. This will be literal events that will take place, not spiritual.

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What things? Explain so then I can show you.

Taken from a study I did on daniels 4 beasts

Concerning the 4th beast;

1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)

2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)



what we see here is a more detailed vision which goes into greater detail than the basic one of daniel 2 of the 4th beast, Chapter 8 goes into greater detail of the second two empires The interpretation given is mostly concerning the 4th beast, which was great and terrible. What we also see is another example of a prophetic gap between the original roman empire, and the reformed roman ten king empire, however, this gap is made more clear here as we will see.

According to the interpretation we are told this about the reformed empire;

1. 10 horns are ten kings, which will arise out of the original beast

2. another will arise (the little horn)

3. he will subdue three of the kings and these kingdoms will be added to his kingdom (leaving 7 kingdoms)

4. shall speak blasphemies against the most high God

5. change times and laws

6. Shall gain control of the whole earth

7. saints are given to him, and he will persecute them for times time and half a time (3 1/2 years)

8. slain at the end by Christ and sent to burning flame

9. Kingdom given to the Christ, and all men and nations and languages shall serve him.



Who is this Little horn? Do we see him again spoken of in prophesy?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@Nebuchadnezzer continued

Beast of revelation, given to John .

Ch 13:

1. Had characteristics of all of daniels beasts (leopard, bear and Lion) and is itself the 4th beast

2. Given power by satan himself (son of perdition)

3. Was mortally wounded (lost his power) but was restored to life (Rome died, and even though many have tried to revive it, No one has succeeded, Satan will revive this power)

4. Spoke pompous words (blasphemies)

5. Given power for 42 months (3 ½ years)

6. Given power to persecute the saints of God

7. Power is greater than any previous empire. As it is worldwide in scope (every tribe, language and nation were given to his hand) how many more ways can God say worldwide, every human alive at this time will be under his power.



Ch 17:

1. Was (had power) is not (lost power) will ascend out of the abyss (powered by Satan himself) will be destroyed (perdition)

2. 7 kings, 5 have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, media-persia, Greece. One is (rome) and one is yet to come (Rome 2 or iron and clay)

3. He will continue a short time

4. 10 kingdom nation (splintered, they will give power to the beast, but will not be unified.

5. Will make war with God himself (the saints) but will be destroyed by the lamb


Rev 19

1. Beast and worlds armies gather together to make war with the lamb

2. Christ defeats beast and worlds armies (so many bodies are left in this battle that birds feast on them for months)

3. Beast is captured, and thrown to the fire

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@Nebuchadnezzer continue

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.


1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)

2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)

3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)

4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)

5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)

6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)

7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)

8. Will is cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)



We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language

2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible

3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)

4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The blazing fire that the antichrist/beast will be thrown into, is referring to the lake of fire which will be a literal event that will take place when the Lord returns to the earth. Satan on the other hand, will be seized by that mighty angel and will be thrown into the Abyss which is under the earth and will be sealed for a literal thousand years. And as scripture states, at the end of that thousand Satan will be released for one more deception against mankind and then he will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown. This will be literal events that will take place, not spiritual.

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Daniel 7:11 makes clear that the beast was killed and its body destroyed and burned with fire.
Rev 19:20 makes clear that the beast and false prophet were thrown alive into the lake of fire.

These are two different events that you try to blend as one event. Nice try, but you are in error. You are so literal that you don't allow yourself to see the spiritual truths which are the most important truths of the bible.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

You have the Gabriel in Daniel 8:17 & 19, and the angel in Daniel 12:4 & 9 informing us these events occur during the end times. I acknowledge these as such and realize events transpiring today would then have to correspond. Others who come up with some eschatology where these events have transpired in the past, in effect deny the Word the Lord repeatedly provides as their being so.

you do realize that the angel's name IS Gabriel......don't you?

 

[luigi]

you do realize that the angel's name IS Gabriel......don't you?

Yes I do realize the angels name in Daniel 7 is Gabriel. I noticed the typo after the 5 minute time to edit.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Yes I do realize the angels name in Daniel 7 is Gabriel. I noticed the typo after the 5 minute time to edit.

I wasn't criticizing your spelling, and I'm done with this subject anyway.

 

[luigi]

I wasn't criticizing your spelling, and I'm done with this subject anyway.

I made another typo by saying Daniel 7 when I should have said Daniel 8.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Daniel 7
The prophecies/visions begin in chapter 7 are about successive empires that persecute Daniel’s people, the Jews, through several generations, from Babylon to the Caesars.
The false interpretations of Daniel come into play when the pre-millennists try to make Daniel fit their futurist eschatology.


BABYLON

MEDO-PERSIAN EMPIRE

GREEK EMPIRE (Alexander the Great)

4th beast – ROME, the Casars reign

It was different from the other beasts…. One difference is that this beast brings religious overtones to their rule, making themselves to be gods (Emporer Worship)…..Another difference was the size of this beast’s empire, which extended from England to Egypt, they truly had conquered the world.

had 10 horns (the 10 conquered nations of the Roman Empire)
1. Heruli 2. Suevi 3. Burgundians 4. Huns 5. Ostrogoths 6. Vandals 7. Lombards 8. Franks 9. Visigoths 10. Anglo Saxons

3 of these fell to the other 7
(three horns torn out by the roots, which means
they did not rise again but their territory
stayed with the nations that conquered it)
These three horns are: Heruli, defeated 493 BC, Vandals, defeated 534 BC, and Ostrogoths, defeated 553 BC. These nations were swallowed up in the nations that defeated them.
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You seem close but there are some things that are off. The Hun and Vandels and Ostrogoths happened centuries after the little horn (the Caesars) rose up and reigned - Julius Caesar 49 - 44 BC and Augustus about 23 BC. Therefore your explanation is out of order and is off.

The 10 horns were before the rise of the Caesars. The 10 horns represents rulers of the Roman Republic. This is what fits chronologically. the 10 horns are kings, not kingdoms. the three horns are kings not kingdoms. The little horn is also a king not kingdom. See Daniel 7:24.

The little horn is also a king not kingdom. The beast as a whole is one kingdom. See Daniel 7:23

Now each beast or kingdom represents one king. See Daniel 17. Each of these kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits that are behind each of the beasts which are each a kingdom. The 4th beast is the Roman Republic/Roman Empire kingdom. It has many earthly kings (men) ruling it. But in the spiritual realm this 4th beast, this kingdom of Roman Republic/Empire has only one spiritual king - Satan.

To be clear the kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits.
The kings in Daniel 7:24 are men.

This is very tricky I know, but important to distinguish for proper interpretation.

Let me stop here because this is a lot to take in.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You seem close but there are some things that are off. The Hun and Vandels and Ostrogoths happened centuries after the little horn (the Caesars) rose up and reigned - Julius Caesar 49 - 44 BC and Augustus about 23 BC. Therefore your explanation is out of order and is off.

The 10 horns were before the rise of the Caesars. The 10 horns represents rulers of the Roman Republic. This is what fits chronologically. the 10 horns are kings, not kingdoms. the three horns are kings not kingdoms. The little horn is also a king not kingdom. See Daniel 7:24.

The little horn is also a king not kingdom. The beast as a whole is one kingdom. See Daniel 7:23

Now each beast or kingdom represents one king. See Daniel 17. Each of these kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits that are behind each of the beasts which are each a kingdom. The 4th beast is the Roman Republic/Roman Empire kingdom. It has many earthly kings (men) ruling it. But in the spiritual realm this 4th beast, this kingdom of Roman Republic/Empire has only one spiritual king - Satan.

To be clear the kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits.
The kings in Daniel 7:24 are men.

This is very tricky I know, but important to distinguish for proper interpretation.

Let me stop here because this is a lot to take in.

Your correct. It is ten kings

But
Not symbolically. Literal kings. Who will give their power And recourses to the 1 king Which is why it is a kingdom of iron and clay because it is not like back in Jesus day where Caesar is God. This guy will have power. But he is limited to what the other kings give him. Hence iron and clay. Loosely bound

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Your correct. It is ten kings

But
Not symbolically. Literal kings. Who will give their power And recourses to the 1 king Which is why it is a kingdom of iron and clay because it is not like back in Jesus day where Caesar is God. This guy will have power. But he is limited to what the other kings give him. Hence iron and clay. Loosely bound

These events are not future from us.
The 1st beast is identified as ancient babylonian empire
the second beast identified as ancient medo-persian empire
the third best identified as ancient greek empire
the fourth beast identified as ancient roman repubic which changed into ancient roman empire.

All these things are past. There are no gaps between the beasts. They in fact overlap one another.
There are no time gaps described in Daniel 7. Especially time gaps of 2000+ years.

Show me which verse or verses provide for these time gaps between the beasts.
Show me which verse or verses provide for a time gap within the 4th beast.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

These events are not future from us.
The 1st beast is identified as ancient babylonian empire
the second beast identified as ancient medo-persian empire
the third best identified as ancient greek empire
the fourth beast identified as ancient roman repubic which changed into ancient roman empire.

All these things are past. There are no gaps between the beasts. They in fact overlap one another.
There are no time gaps described in Daniel 7. Especially time gaps of 2000+ years.

Show me which verse or verses provide for these time gaps between the beasts.
Show me which verse or verses provide for a time gap within the 4th beast.

If you go back and read, posts 82 through 84, I posted a study I did which showed things spoken about the final Power that has not happened yet Can you Please go look them Over and show me when they did if as you claim they are past events?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

If you go back and read, posts 82 through 84, I posted a study I did which showed things spoken about the final Power that has not happened yet Can you Please go look them Over and show me when they did if as you claim they are past events?

You concede that the beast existed to our past as Ancient Rome in your bullet point 1. (notice usage of "had")
but then you conjure up that the 10 horns do not rise on the beast until 2000+ years later and to our future in your bullet point 2. (notice usage of "will).

Concerning the 4th beast;

1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)

2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

So you twist Daniel 7:24 to say that the 10 horns are future to the 4th beast itself, and future to use as well, even though it is clear that the 10 horns are on the 4th beast and that they exist at the same time period as one another.

See with another one of your bullet points where you try to pull this off.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)

So you use the word "will" in Daniel 7:24 to say this event is still to our future. Look also how you twist scripture to say ten "kingdoms" when it is ten "kings".

Lets see Daniel 7:24
24 The ten horns are ten "kings" who will come from this "kingdom" [the fourth beast]. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

All that Daniel 7:24 is saying is that the ten horns "will" be ten "kings" not "kingdoms" and will come sometime to the future of Daniel's vision. Same for the little horn. .

Now lets see what Daniel 7:23 has to say about the 4th beast itself.
23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

Daniel 7:23 is also saying that the 4th beast (one kingdom) will come sometime to the future of Daniel's vision. Same as the ten horns (ten kings). Same as the little horn (one king).

It is apparent that the 10 horns and the little horn are present on the 4th beast (Ancient Rome) and that they exist at the same time period as the fourth beast existed. This is depicted clearly in Daniel 7:7
7 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.

It is terrible how you twist scripture to put what parts you want in the past and what parts you want in the future all to fit your false agenda.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You concede that the beast existed to our past as Ancient Rome in your bullet point 1. (notice usage of "had")
but then you conjure up that the 10 horns do not rise on the beast until 2000+ years later and to our future in your bullet point 2. (notice usage of "will).

yes, as in daniel two, the legs of iron was Ancient Rome, the feet of iron and clay is future Rome, I did not conjure it up, it has not happened yet, so by default it must be futrue

So you twist Daniel 7:24 to say that the 10 horns are future to the 4th beast itself, and future to use as well, even though it is clear that the 10 horns are on the 4th beast and that they exist at the same time period as one another.

See with another one of your bullet points where you try to pull this off.

1st off, can the attitude, if you think I am going to sit while you throw tide, you have another thing missing,

read The whole thing, I have answered these questions, I did not twist anything, I did not just come up with the fact it is future, I showed why I believe this.

I asked you to prove that happened already, I see no proof only attitude, that will get you nowhere

So you use the word "will" in Daniel 7:24 to say this event is still to our future. Look also how you twist scripture to say ten "kingdoms" when it is ten "kings".

ten kings equals ten kingdoms, which come out f the original kingdom (Rome) and they give their power to the one king.
the fact ten kings come out of the origional kingdom shows it comes out of that kingdom

again daniel 2. The iron legs, become the feet of iron and clay with 10 toes, ten one becomes another

Lets see

Daniel 7:24
24 The ten horns are ten "kings" who will come from this "kingdom" [the fourth beast]. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

All that Daniel 7:24 is saying is that the ten horns "will" be ten "kings" not "kingdoms" and will come sometime to the future of Daniel's vision. Same for the little horn. .

it appears you are just out to prove me wrong, have you even read the whole thing yet?

Now lets see what Daniel 7:23 has to say about the 4th beast itself.
23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

Daniel 7:23 is also saying that the 4th beast (one kingdom) will come sometime to the future of Daniel's vision. Same as the ten horns (ten kings). Same as the little horn (one king).

It is apparent that the 10 horns and the little horn are present on the 4th beast (Ancient Rome) and that they exist at the same time period as the fourth beast existed. This is depicted clearly in Daniel 7:7
7 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.

if they represent Ancient Rome then tell me when those things happened

who were the ten kings

when did Ancient Rome rule every nation tribe and language? (The whole world)

It is terrible how you twist scripture to put what parts you want in the past and what parts you want in the future all to fit your false agenda.

it’s terrible that you did not read everything I posted and made accusations and not only that came with attitude

not to mention the fact you did not even answer my questions, and showed me when those things occured, you just said it did, and that’s it.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

You seem close but there are some things that are off. The Hun and Vandels and Ostrogoths happened centuries after the little horn (the Caesars) rose up and reigned - Julius Caesar 49 - 44 BC and Augustus about 23 BC. Therefore your explanation is out of order and is off.

The 10 horns were before the rise of the Caesars. The 10 horns represents rulers of the Roman Republic. This is what fits chronologically. the 10 horns are kings, not kingdoms. the three horns are kings not kingdoms. The little horn is also a king not kingdom. See Daniel 7:24.

The little horn is also a king not kingdom. The beast as a whole is one kingdom. See Daniel 7:23

Now each beast or kingdom represents one king. See Daniel 17. Each of these kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits that are behind each of the beasts which are each a kingdom. The 4th beast is the Roman Republic/Roman Empire kingdom. It has many earthly kings (men) ruling it. But in the spiritual realm this 4th beast, this kingdom of Roman Republic/Empire has only one spiritual king - Satan.

To be clear the kings in Daniel 7:17 are demonic spirits.
The kings in Daniel 7:24 are men.

This is very tricky I know, but important to distinguish for proper interpretation.

Let me stop here because this is a lot to take in.

The prophecies/visions begin in chapter 7 are about successive empires that persecute Daniel’s people, the Jews, through several generations, from Babylon to the Caesars. Since the Angel interprets these visions, we do not have to speculate on who the beasts, etc. are. Mixed in with the persecution prophecies are prophecies about Messiah, and the eternal kingdom.

The false interpretations of Daniel come into play when the pre-millennists try to make Daniel fit their futurist eschatology.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

if they represent Ancient Rome then tell me when those things happened

who were the ten kings

Tribune of the Plebs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune_of_the_plebs

Also you should ask who were the three kings that fell?

The First Triumvirate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate
The first triumvirate ended with the dicatorship of Julius Caeser (little horn rises)
Julius Caesar was assasinated and points to the third king of the first triumvirate to fall.

The three kings that fell also point to the Second Triumvirate
https://www.ancient.eu/Second_Triumvirate/
the second triumvirate ended with Augustus as Roman Emperor (little horn)

when did Ancient Rome rule every nation tribe and language? (The whole world)

you're referring to Daniel 7:23 which says "the whole earth".

Let us also look at Daniel 8:5 where the goat (representing ancient Greece) "crosses the whole earth".
Are we to hold this so literally as to say that Alexander the Great must have also made it to South America and Australia?

No!

Look at Genesis 41:57 "all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph". Are we to hold this so literally as to conclude that natives from South America and Australia came to Egypt?

Of course not!

Likewise, we are not to hold Daniel 7:23 so literally as to hold fast that the 4th beast much conquer even South America and Australia and New Zealand and French Polynesia or else it hasn't been fulfilled.

Even today we call it World War II, but war did not reach South America or Antarctica during it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Tribune of the Plebs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune_of_the_plebs

Also you should ask who were the three kings that fell?

The First Triumvirate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate
The first triumvirate ended with the dicatorship of Julius Caeser (little horn rises)
Julius Caesar was assasinated and points to the third king of the first triumvirate to fall.

The three kings that fell also point to the Second Triumvirate
https://www.ancient.eu/Second_Triumvirate/
the second triumvirate ended with Augustus as Roman Emperor (little horn)



you're referring to Daniel 7:23 which says "the whole earth".

Let us also look at Daniel 8:5 where the goat (representing ancient Greece) "crosses the whole earth".
Are we to hold this so literally as to say that Alexander the Great must have also made it to South America and Australia?

No!

Look at Genesis 41:57 "all the world came to Egypt to buy grain from Joseph". Are we to hold this so literally as to conclude that natives from South America and Australia came to Egypt?

Of course not!

Likewise, we are not to hold Daniel 7:23 so literally as to hold fast that the 4th beast much conquer even South America and Australia and New Zealand and French Polynesia or else it hasn't been fulfilled.

Even today we call it World War II, but war did not reach South America or Antarctica during it.

The first part of yur post has the feet of iron and clay arising to power before the legs of iron. Your time.ine is off base

as for the second part of yur post. It is obvious you did not continue to read, because it was explained in great detail why I considered the “whole world” to mean much greater than rome ever had.

it’s ok, I know how hard it is, thanks for at least trying, even though it was very little. To reply to why I said things did not happen yu asked me to show whch things, and I did in that post, and your stuck on daniel 7, which is only one chapter about the final gentile empire which will rule over jerusalem at the time of the return of Christ,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The prophecies/visions begin in chapter 7 are about successive empires that persecute Daniel’s people, the Jews, through several generations, from Babylon to the Caesars. Since the Angel interprets these visions, we do not have to speculate on who the beasts, etc. are. Mixed in with the persecution prophecies are prophecies about Messiah, and the eternal kingdom.

The false interpretations of Daniel come into play when the pre-millennists try to make Daniel fit their futurist eschatology.

Actuall. False interpretations in daniel occured when people take a view of the church replacing Israel as recieving specific promises only given to Israel,

daniel is not only about the times of Christ, it is also about the times at the return of Christ, and the great battles we have yet to witness,

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The first part of yur post has the feet of iron and clay arising to power before the legs of iron. Your time.ine is off base

as for the second part of yur post. It is obvious you did not continue to read, because it was explained in great detail why I considered the “whole world” to mean much greater than rome ever had.

it’s ok, I know how hard it is, thanks for at least trying, even though it was very little. To reply to why I said things did not happen yu asked me to show whch things, and I did in that post, and your stuck on daniel 7, which is only one chapter about the final gentile empire which will rule over jerusalem at the time of the return of Christ,

NO! I'm not even talking about Daniel 2. But you have to resort to injecting other misinterpretations from All over the place to confound the discussion.

But let us discuss Daniel 2: The legs of Iron refers to the Roman Republic before it took control of Judea and the promise land. Then the feet with Iron and Clay is Roman Republic in its transition to Roman Empire while at the same time controlled and conquered Judea and the promise land.

The fourth beast is Iron Legs and the fourth beast controlling Judea the promise land is Iron and Clay feet.

The Siege of Jerusalem (63 BC) occurred during Pompey the Great's campaigns in the East,
The first intervention of Rome in the region dates from 63 BCE, following the end of the Third Mithridatic War, when Rome established the province of Syria. After the defeat of Mithridates VI of Pontus, Pompey sacked Jerusalem and installed Hasmonean prince Hyrcanus II as Ethnarch and High Priest but not as king.

The first triumvirate began in 60 BC. We even see that Pompey is one of the three members of the first triumvirate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate

Some years later Julius Caesar (another member of the triumvirate which are the three kings that fell in Daniel 7) appointed Antipater the Idumaean, also known as Antipas, as the first Roman Procurator. Antipater's son Herod was designated "King of the Jews" by the Roman Senate in 40 BCE[4] but he did not gain military control until 37 BCE. During his reign (the last representatives of the Hasmoneans were eliminated, and the huge port of Caesarea Maritima was built. Herod died in 4 BCE,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_(Roman_province)

During the time period of 63BC to 4 BC the fourth beast transitioned from Roman Republic to the Roman Empire.

During this time period we go from Roman Republic (Legs of Iron) to Roman Empire controlling Judea and promise land (Feet of Iron and clay)

It all fits together like hand to glove. But you don't like this because it rips apart your bogus interpretations.