The Gamaliel approach

[wanderer6059]

people tend to jump on others for the way they profess there faith. my question is why not take the stance of this wise old Jew?

Acts 5:34-39 New American Standard Bible (NASB)


34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time. 35 And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. 36 For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. [a]But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who [c]followed him were scattered. 38 So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or [d]action is of men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”

why do we fight so much in the church when we could just leave it to God?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

people tend to jump on others for the way they profess there faith. my question is why not take the stance of this wise old Jew?

There's the problem with your question. There's only one faith. All others are counterfeits.

 

[Chavah]

Gamaliel approach requires a Gamaliel person - someone who is a


"pharisee" - man zealous and separated for God (so pharisee in its original meaning without connotation with hypocrisy)

"teacher of the Law" - man who knows and teaches the Bible

"respected by all the people" - nothing to ad in here

who has enough of "courage to stood up in the Council" - church..... CC fellowship,

who has natural or Gods authority to"gave orders" - um, pastors, elders ..... admins and moderators maybe?


Probably not that easy to find these qualities in nowadays church.

 

[wanderer6059]

There's the problem with your question. There's only one faith. All others are counterfeits.

there is one faith, but we life out the faith given to us individually. everybody doesn't worship the same, and all believers don't and shouldn't act the same.

 

[NayborBear]

It "seems", major, as well as minor disagreements arise, not so much, as to believing, and accepting Jesus Christ, for the (key word here) remission, or forgiving of ones' sin/s, as much as what, or even if, said professor of faith in Christ does afterwards! Much like the parable of the guy who hired some people to help harvest a field. The people he hired in the morning, and worked all day, earned, the same "reward for their labor/s", as did the people he hired, and only worked a coupla hours!

I'm supposing, one might interpret this to accepting Christ at a very young age, verses accepting Christ on one's death-bed. I for one, rejoice, whenever I hear of or see someone profess their faith, and be baptized. And, it matters not to me, when this is done! As long as it is done. And, in some cases? An "immersive" baptism, is not even necessary. Ah! Perhaps, this is the way we all should do this, eh? Wait until our last few breaths of life on this earth, accepting Christ in our last moments above ground! Thus denying satan his final victory, after using, and abusing one, their entire life, up to that point! Whether or not, that person, was just denying Christ, or unable to, because of how satan used that "tool", and, had no idea? Is not our call, on how that soul shall be "judged", or what reward/s that person has "accrued" in the Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Light, is it? Yet, this starts, a point of contention, or grumbling, as that particular parable ends.

Yet, alas, as many of us who have accepted Christ as our Lord and Savior, sometimes, very many years before our last few breaths above ground? That parable, is only one....of MANY!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

there is one faith, but we life out the faith given to us individually. everybody doesn't worship the same, and all believers don't and shouldn't act the same.

It's not a matter of how people worship, but what they teach.

 

[wanderer6059]

It's not a matter of how people worship, but what they teach.

ok, what is the definition of of the teaching? what is the faith? and, if someone is in conflict with that teaching minor or major what should the response be to continue fellowship or correct them.

 

[NayborBear]

there is one faith, but we life out the faith given to us individually. everybody doesn't worship the same, and all believers don't and shouldn't act the same.

We voluntarily, cut ourselves off from the "wild grapevine", and allow ourselves to be grafted into the true vine, when we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior, Advocate, on our behalf, Intercessor before God the Father. That being said? The explanation, of this, is over simplified, as this grafting, is spiritual in nature, and not actually a horticulturists "picture" of a physical grafting. It's more like a "tapping into" Christ, and growing away from the "wild" vine. (and?) It has to be this way, because, (and this happens a lot more then the "graftee" realizes)...A) The shock of the grafting itself, may result in the actual physical death, of the graftee (especially, when satan starts realizing his poison ain't working) (His Loving Kindness endures forever). B) The actual meeting God the Father, face to face? WILL kill the graftee!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

ok, what is the definition of of the teaching? what is the faith? and, if someone is in conflict with that teaching minor or major what should the response be to continue fellowship or correct them.

The faith is the teachings of Jesus and his apostles. If anyone teaches contrary to the faith then their errors need to be exposed for all to see. John said to simply utter a greeting to such people is to share in their evil deeds. Just because people call themselves Christian doesn't mean that they're brothers.

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into [your] house and do not speak a greeting to him, because the one who speaks a greeting to him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:10-11​

 

[wanderer6059]

The faith is the teachings of Jesus and his apostles. If anyone teaches contrary to the faith then their errors need to be exposed for all to see. John said to simply utter a greeting to such people is to share in their evil deeds. Just because people call themselves Christian doesn't mean that they're brothers.

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into [your] house and do not speak a greeting to him, because the one who speaks a greeting to him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:10-11​

The faith is the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, ​define this for me, what are His teachings? in your own words.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The faith is the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, ​define this for me, what are His teachings? in your own words.

Everything that we have a record of him saying and what his apostles wrote.

 

[wanderer6059]

Everything that we have a record of him saying and what his apostles wrote.

what is that? pretend i am a new believer or someone who has never heard any part of the gospel.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

what is that? pretend i am a new believer or someone who has never heard any part of the gospel.

I'd tell him to read the bible.

 

[MattforJesus]

people tend to jump on others for the way they profess there faith. my question is why not take the stance of this wise old Jew?

Acts 5:34-39 New American Standard Bible (NASB)


34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time. 35 And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. 36 For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. [a]But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37 After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who [c]followed him were scattered. 38 So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or [d]action is of men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”

why do we fight so much in the church when we could just leave it to God?

That is true why don't we leave it to God, for if it is not of God it will come to naught, and any Church not led of the Spirit is not of God.

But of course we do leave it to God, but we still must go against falsehood as His representatives like Jesus went against them.

We see that does not happen that they come to naught, for we have the Roman Catholic Church that when they embraced Christianity did not get rid of their pagan ways, but held unto them and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

And Joseph Smith that had a belief not part of the Bible and it became his foundation.

And Scientology, and Christian Science, and the new age movement, which is the deadliest of them all that will guide the world in to rebelling against God that believe in evolution, and people can still evolve, which they believe the New Age Christ will provide the power to be able to evolve through nature.

And many others that is not the truth concerning the Bible, and Christianity, but claim the Bible as truth.

So why do they prosper, and do not come to naught.

But they will come to naught in the future when God ends this sin business on earth, and puts down the wicked.

But for now they are allowed to deceive because it is a sinful world, and God has allowed us to have choice, and they deceive the wicked who do not want to hear the truth, and all that false interpretations of the Bible will add to the world rebelling against God, which the main interpretation that deceives is of the occult, and spiritual evolution through nature, and honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

But it has to be and even worse now with false interpretations of the Bible for God is ready to wrap it up, and end sin on earth, and have His saints dwell with Him.

And God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no personal God, and Jesus is a good teacher in the occult,but not Lord and Savior, and not the final teacher in this evolution process of man, so Satan will be able to influence the wicked more than he could do in the past, and deception will be worse now than in time past, and selfishness, and arrogance, and self exaltation, will be worse than in the past.

All nations will come together to try to establish peace on earth, and all the wicked will be part of that kingdom, and they took the hope of the world away for it involves all the nations governments together, and going against all who oppose them.

Jesus did not come to nothing for it is of God, and the Church will not come to nothing because it is of God, which Jesus said the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church.

But there is deception concerning the word of God and it does not come to nothing until the beast kingdom that acknowledges no personal God, and then it will come to nothing.

And the Roman Catholic Church will become bigger, and more popular in the future, but mainly by way of the other religions because of their stance of going along with the new age interpretation of the Bible, but many Catholics will say adios to the Pope at that time.

So why do we fight so much in the Church when we could leave it to God, for we have to proclaim the truth because it is obvious that for now these false Churches do not come to naught, and we have to proclaim the truth, but God will put them to naught when the time comes.

But these false Churches are mainly in the way of Churches that interpret the Bible according to the power of nature involved in their interpretation,and those are the people we need to proclaim truth to the most, for that interpretation of the Bible will have a negative impact on the world and cause their interpretation of the Bible to be compatible with Buddhism, and Hinduism, and the occult, and any religion like that, and the occult, trying to harness the power of nature for personal power is the most dangerous belief system in the world, for it all about self and the exaltation of themselves, and they will want to go against everybody that dares to try to stop them from having the kind of world they want, which is what happens in the future.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry(man and a woman for population reduction), and commanding to abstain from meats(nature worship, reverence animals), which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

An interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, spiritual evolution through nature, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and an ascended master and avatar, and honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(the imaginations of people, and of the occult).

This is the future for this sinful world, for God is allowing the people that do not love Him to follow that route to the beast kingdom so He can put them down.

The false Churches will come to nothing but only after the saints do not preach the Gospel anymore, for it is international law to not teach anything contrary to evolution, and people can still evolve, as the standard religion in the world, which is the falling away first, and then the man of sin will deceive them.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

There are millions upon millions of sincere people in this world. The scripture says (Acts 10) the centurion, Cornelius, was a devout man (but unsaved!), and one who feared God with all his house (but unsaved!, which gave much alms to the people (but unsaved!), and prayed to God always (but unsaved!) All of these things were wonderful, and certainly noticed by the Lord; but they did not save the man, even as they do not save anyone now; being religious does not constitute Salvation; there must be an acceptance of Christ and His Finished Work; if one is to be saved [Jn. 3:16; Rom. 10:9-10,13]) The scripture further says that Cornelius had a vision (but unsaved!), an Angel of God came to him (but unsaved!), his prayers and alms came up for a memorial before God (but unsaved!), he fasted (but unsaved!).

The Lord sent the Apostle Peter to save him and his household (neighbors). Being sincere does not make a person saved.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The faith is the teachings of Jesus and his apostles, ​define this for me, what are His teachings? in your own words.

You are asking someone to reproduce the New Testament.

So in order to determine the teaching of Christ and His apostles, acquire a spiral notebook (8 1/2 x 11) and then go through the NT page by page to determine those teachings. Nothing like going to the primary source.

 

[wanderer6059]

I'd tell him to read the bible.

say we are in North Korea and the bible is illegal to have, witness to me like the early church did!