The gentile kingdoms according to Daniel and John

eternally-gratefull · Jun 19, 2019

4 Gentile kingdoms

Dan 2

Head - Gold Babylonian Empire
Chest and arms - Silver - Media Persian Empire
belly and thighs bronze - Greek Empire
legs - iron - Roman Empire
feet - iron and clay - Roman Empire 2

Concerning the 4th beast Legs of Iron)

1. Will crush all other kingdoms, and power and territory will exceed all of the other kingdoms. (History shows Rome fulfilled this not only in area of the kingdom, but in the number of years she held power)

2. It was this kingdom which was in power during the time of Christ, during the time of the writing of revelation. and in 70 ad, It had one king (Vespian) and its power was at its fullest. The people of this king destroyed the city of jerusalam and its temple. (titus) who at the death of vespacian, became king of rome, proving that in this time, we were still under the 4th or roman kingdom of iron

3. At sometime in history, will splinter into ten kingdom or ten parts

4. Will be divided but still have the strength of the original kingdom

5. partly strong and partly fragile (divided as it is not one kingdom in unity, but many kingdoms, which which will not adhere to one another (be in unity)

6. Christ himself (the stone) will destroy this kingdom (Stone hits the feet, which crush them) destroying this kingdom. causes all the gentile kingdome to crumble and fall, destroying all the gentile kingdoms (the statue) which was seen by nebechadnezzar. Leaving no trace of them behind (the end of Gentile dominion)
7. When the final kingdom (iron and clay) is destroyed, God himself will set up his kingdom, which will never be destroyed.

So what we have is this, in this shorter vision daniel (a much greater one will come later)

1. only 4 kingdoms were in power up till Christ, the same 4th kingdom destroyed the city and temple.

2. History shows when Rome fell, it was divided into two parts (not ten) and then fell off the map.

3. Up until this day, there has been no nation which has had ten kings, which has part of the power of rome (iron) and part of the power of man (clay) thus, already in just the 2nd chapter of daniel, we have introduced a prophetic gap between the time the 4th kingdom suffered its mortal wound (died) and the restoration of that kingdom in a fractured way (iron and clay)

4. The final kingdom will be crushed by God himself, at that time, Gods kingdom will be established which will never be destroyed.

Dan 7

1. Lion with eagles wings - Babylon, we are told wings were plucked off (lost its power) and made to stand like a man. Nebachadnezar lost his power. and made to crawl like an animal later, stood up again and regained his power (after confessing one God)

2. bear, standing up on one side - Media Persia -two sided bear, One stronger than the other, History showed the medes were weaker power, Persia untied with them, and was much stronger. In fact most historians call this the perisan empire, 3 ribs = 3 kingdoms destroyed by the persions, They egyptian, assyrian and babylonian empires were taken by this power

3. leopard - 4 wings and 4 heads - greek - one power splintered into 4 when Alexander the great died at a young age.
Concerning the 4th beast;

1. huge and powerfull with iron teeth. - rome, again the iron kingdom. Again, the most powerful, Rome actually held more land than any kingdom previous and any since, It also had the longest reign of any of the previous kingdoms on earth (including back to Egyption kingdom)

2. then we are told out of this beast 10 horns will arise, which are ten kingdoms, out of which grows one horn which destroys three horns. he is given a mouth, and speaks pompous words. Had teeth of Iron and Nails of bronze (in chapter two it was iron and clay mixed)

what we see here is a more detailed vision which goes into greater detail than the basic one of daniel 2 of the 4th beast, Chapter 8 goes into greater detail of the second two empires The interpretation given is mostly concerning the 4th beast, which was great and terrible. What we also see is another example of a prophetic gap between the original roman empire, and the reformed roman ten king empire, however, this gap is made more clear here as we will see.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 19, 2019

According to the interpretation we are told this about the reformed empire;

1. 10 horns are ten kings, which will arise out of the original beast
2. another will arise (the little horn) antichrist
3. he will subdue three of the kings and these kingdoms will be added to his kingdom (leaving 7 kingdoms)
4. shall speak blasphemies against the most high God
5. change times and laws
6. Shall gain control of the whole earth
7. saints are given to him, and he will persecute them for times time and half a time (3 1/2 years)
8. slain at the end by Christ and sent to burning flame
9. Kingdom given to the Christ, and all men and nations and languages shall serve him.

Who is this Little horn? Do we see him again spoken of in prophesy?

Beast of revelation, given to John .

Ch 13:
1. Had characteristics of all of daniels beasts (leopard, bear and Lion) and is itself the 4th beast
2. Given power by satan himself (son of perdition)
3. Was mortally wounded (lost his power) but was restored to life (Rome died, and even though many have tried to revive it, No one has succeeded, Satan will revive this power)
4. Spoke pompous words (blasphemies) (abomination of desolation)
5. Given power for 42 months (3 ½ years)
6. Given power to persecute the saints of God
7. Power is greater than any previous empire. As it is worldwide in scope (every tribe, language and nation were given to his hand) how many more ways can God say worldwide, every human alive at this time will be under his power.

Ch 17:
1. Was (had power) is not (lost power) will ascend out of the abyss (powered by Satan himself) will be destroyed (perdition)
2. 7 kings, 5 have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, media-persia, Greece. One is (rome) and one is yet to come (Rome 2 or iron and clay)
3. He will continue a short time
4. 10 kingdom nation (splintered, they will give power to the beast, but will not be unified.
5. Will make war with God himself (the saints) but will be destroyed by the lamb

Rev 19
1. Beast and worlds armies gather together to make war with the lamb
2. Christ defeats beast and worlds armies (so many bodies are left in this battle that birds feast on them for months)
3. Beast is captured, and thrown to the fire

eternally-gratefull · Jun 19, 2019

So we see from these two accounts, the following which is identical with the little horn and the beast.

1. A power of ten kingdoms will unite and form a kingdom which has come out of Rome (Dan 2: 41, Dan 7: 7, 24, Rev 17: 12-13)
2. A little horn, or beast, will come out from among these ten (Dan 7:8, Rev 17: 12)
3. Will gain control of the whole earth (Dan 7: 23, Rev 7: 7)
4. Will be given power for 3 ½ years (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13:5)
5. Will speak blasphemies (Dan 7: 25, Rev 13: 5)
6. Will make war with the saints of God, and given permission by God to do so (Dan 7: 21, Rev 13: 7)
7. God puts and end to his reign by defeating him (Dan 2: 45, Dan 7: 11, 22, 26, Rev 19: 20)
8. Will be cast into fire (Dan 7: 11, Rev 19: 20)

We can also find other things in these passages, and use other passages in scripture to show what is done by him, and when this will be.

In dan 2, we are told he will “intend to change times and laws” The Aramaic word for time can mean to make an agreement for a specific period of time. In Dan 9, we are told of a future prince of Rome who will confirm a covenant for 1 week. (time) In Rev, we are told this beast will change a law, for the first time in the history of the world, the worlds economy will be empowered by one man (can not buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast)

In dan 7, we are told he will blaspheme the tabernacle, In dan 9, we are told he will commit the abomination of desolation, as also mentioned of as going to happen by Christ himself in matt 24, right before the great tribulation starts.

In all accounts, we are told he will be personally defeated by Christ himself, In matt 24 we are told why, Unless Christ himself comes. NO FLESH will survive this causes him to return to earth with his armies, and personally defeat the beast, putting an end to the “time or age of the Gentiles (see also romans 11)

And finally, in all accounts, After this defeat of the gentile kingdoms, Christ sets up his kingdom on earth, which will be an everlasting kingdom which will never be destroyed. We are told in rev, during this time, Satan will be bound for 1000 years. At the end, he will make one final attempt to defeat the lamb, but will be destroyed before it even gets off its feet, and then the heavenas and earth will be destroyed, and a new one established, after all evil is judged (great white throne) and all Gods children are given a new heaven and earth.

As I mentioned earlier. All of these accounts show a "prophetic gap" which is infered between the end of the 4th beast (rome) and the re-establishment of the beast in latter times. Here is the further proof I said I would show.

1. World dominion (over every tribe, language and nation) no world power up to this date has ever held dominion over every nation tribe and language
2. Holds power over worlds finances, again, no world power has ever held, nor have the ever held the capacity to hold power over the financial markets of the entire world so that he can say who is able to purchase or sell goods, meaning all forms of money (gold and silver, paper money, are made obsolite) in fact, until recently with the advent of computers has this even been possible
3. Military might with destructive power capable of destroying all life (flesh) on earth, Again, until the past 100 years, this was not even possible)
4. The restoration of the woman (Isreal) and the temple in Isreal. Rev tells us this world leader, and these events (which I just proved could not have even been possible until the past 100 years, and has not happened yet) would go after the woman (Isreal) but that she will be protected supernaturally By God, and causes him to turn after her offspring (the church) Thus Isreal would have to have been re-established as a nation. It also tells us he will blaspheme God and his tabernacle by commiting the abomination of desolation, Which means not only will the nation have to be re-established, but the temple rebuilt. OT
Scripture makes it clear, one day God will restor Isreal to her land and give life to it (dry bones) that during this time, there will be a time of Great troube (Jacobs trouble or great tribulation) such as never been seen before or after (will make AD70, WW2 and other great wars and tribulations look like a walk in the park) and God will use these events to put and end to the age of the gentiles, at which time, "All Isreal will be saved" as they repent and turn to their true God, and renounce all the false God they have been worshiping. Again, up until recent history, no nation has suffered total military defeat, her people spread throughout the world so no resemblance of them is found, and then been restored to her land, Isreal is the first nation in the history of mankind to have this happen (show me where the edomites, the hittites, the canaanites have been restored?)

since all of these events, until recent history, have been impossible to be fulfilled, or even have not been fulfilled yet. There had to have been a prophetic gap imposed on all these visions (which would include the vision and prophesy of Daniel 9 and his 70 weeks) which would prove, that dan 9 is NOT THE ONLY prophetic gap as seen in the visions and prophesies of Daniel.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 19, 2019

The one things which is in all of these is this

The final beast (rome) will be destroyed by Jesus himself (Dan 2, Dan 7, and rev 19)

This day also marks the “completion” or “end” to the time of the gentiles (rom 11) at whcih time we are told. ALL Israel will be saved” when the messiah returns and puts away the sin of Jacob, Also in fulfillment to Daniel 9

dcontroversal · Jun 19, 2019

Except for the fact that the forerunner to the BEAST comes out of what Alexander conquered, then divided and fought over in the wars between the Kings of the North and the Kings of the South--->Seleucid's and Ptolomie's<--Daniel 10, 11

AND

Who or what is the CLAY aspect of the attempted BLEND that does not stick? If the Iron is ROME and I agree it is....what is the CLAY aspect represent........and what exactly do we see happening right now all over Europe and the Middle East??

The rise of what exactly......go ahead and say it........ISLAM

eternally-gratefull · Jun 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

The clay represents a fractured kingdom

As you saw. There are so many kings, and they give their power and resources to the little horn.

It hos the POWER of rome (in that is Iron) but it is a fractured alliance (clay)

Islam has nothing to do with it.

How you can get ten kings (toes) to equal islam?? Wow

dcontroversal · Jun 20, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Fractured? Where does it say that.......IRON and CLAY attempting to blend is the exact opposite of fractured......you are reading into the text something not stated......and it is foolish to say ISLAM has nothing to do with it............and without being too mouthy.....I suggest you take a map of the Roman Empire and a MAP of the Middle East, Northern Africa and Europe today that shows what nations are Islamic today and then get back to me........Indeed ISLAM has everything to do with it........

dcontroversal · Jun 20, 2019

For all that say Islam has no play or part in the end of the age while pushing Rome as the go to Kingdom from who the Beast rises....MAKE no mistake....ISLAM is very much part of what is coming

Rome at it's height of power during the days of JESUS

Islam today and this does not even show Islam's influence in Spain, England, Germany, and ALL other European nations

eternally-gratefull · Jun 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

It says a ten nation union give their power to the beast.

We have examples of this today (the European union, The united nations. United they are powerful. But they are also fractured.

That is FAR more logical than ISLAM.

And I suggest you look at the word of God. Maps mean nothing.

He is called the prince who is to come. He is called the final beast, which is rome. What you say may sound good to you. But it makes no sense. I can not look at the word and see it.

Islam is a religion. We are talking about a NATION. No islamic person would claim himself to the the jewish messiah, thats utterly nonsense.

It is FOOLISH beyond reason to say Islam is anything, you give it far to much power bro.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Islam is a religion.

Gabriel said the rock would destroy ROME (a gentile kingdom) not a religion.

dcontroversal · Jun 20, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Wait and see.............I agree Rome's part is the false prophet........the beast is from Islam<---plain as day and for the record....the underlined does not make me wrong nor incorrect in my assessment

dcontroversal · Jun 20, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Gabriel said a rock would destroy Rome....quote it........with the word ROME stated.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Who is the final kingdom man? (Iron and clay, Fourth beast)

Daniel 9 says he is the prince of the people who destroy the temple. Who did that? Islam?

No ROME

I mean are you serious? Your hurting your own cause.

dcontroversal · Jun 20, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

No, actually I am not.....that view has been regurgitated by the same people peddling the imminent return and I do not buy it......my studies have led me to different conclusions....I USED to believe the Rome facade but not any more...and to peddle Rome is akin to the same attitude that Preterist have.....the end of the end of the age is not about a regional Kingdom, but rather a world conquering empire under SATAN in man that is peddled by the Roman Vicar of GOD.......all of the piddly powers from Egypt to Rome are attempts and forerunners to a bigger picture

eternally-gratefull · Jun 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

So in dan 2. Rome is not the iron and clay

And in daniel 7. Rome is not the beast which is ferosious and like no other

And in daniel 9. The prince who is to come who commits the abomination of desolation, is not the prince of the peoplr who destroyed rome

I do not know what your believing, but i do not see how it jives with what Gabriel told daniel

Gabriel never mentioned some religion he mentioned a gentile king, namely rome, the complete fulfillment of the 4th and final beast

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