The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

[oyster67]

God has so ordered His salvation with WEAK Christians in mind...

That is why God has made provision for repentance. He longs for every wayward backslider to return to the fold, but the time may come that they permanently harden their heart and God gives them over to a reprobate mind.

...for the tender lambs and the trembling sheep of His flock.

Tender and trembling is not synonymous with rebellious, fickle, and inappreciative.

It is with THEM in view that He makes salvation a once and forever work which can never be undone.

Very fanciful wanderings and wonderings, but now let's see what the Bible says...
Revelation 3:16 Context
13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 

[oyster67]

Come come my dear brother I praised the Lord for his tears, he was sorry. It showed his heart was changed.

Then it is well. I can rejoice with you.

But that does not explain why you jumped on the eternal security train. Not all who turn away shed tears of sorrow and want to return. We must go by what the Bible says. Cain could have repented, Judas could have repented, Solomon could have repented, but as far as we know, they did not.

Matthew 13:22
“He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.”

 

[oyster67]

I tell you dear Oyster this IS the Pre-destiny and Election of the bible AND IT WORKS, it cannot fail and will not fail .... ever.

That beautiful sentimental and utopian tale is charming indeed, but God is not so one dimensional as your wishful thinking may imagine. We must Go by what the Bible says. God is not mocked. Sin will not enter Heaven.

We believe the way of the backslider is hedged up with thorns.

This "hedge and thorns" is the very thing which chokes him and draws him out...

Matthew 13:22
“He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.”

We must go by what the Bible says, not just wear the hats of other men and their denominational creeds.

 

[oyster67]

This scripture is simply saying that the repentance unto salvation is once and forever, it can't be repeated.

Repentance is not a one-time thing. It must often be repeated on a daily basis.

1 John 1:
6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:1
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”

 

[oyster67]

Millions do not fall away btw,

John 6:
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

 

[oyster67]

we don't choose Him

We certainly do. All are presented with a choice. That is core Gospel Truth. Belief in this is essential. No one is born saved, and no one is born for the purpose of fueling the fires of Hell.

 

[Edify]

and yet they cry repent, repent, repent.

This scripture is simply saying that the repentance unto salvation is once and forever, it can't be repeated.

Instead of crucifying The Son of God again and again we go back to the one time sacrifice, we cling to that. People as say salvation can be lost THEY are the ones putting the cross and Him who died there to an open shame. Because people laugh and mock and say "there you see the cross does not work"

But the cross DOES work, it works for all time.

Millions do not fall away btw, millions are leaving the dead and alive churches ... many of them finding good spirit filled churches.

Millions ARE falling away from the faith.
www.gotquestions.org/great-apostasy.html

The falling away is the Great Apostasy, where christians rebel from God by accepting false doctrine, which, BTW, they are doing right now.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...where christians rebel from God...

How do you know they are genuine Bible-believing Christians?

 

[Adelia]

Millions ARE falling away from the faith.
www.gotquestions.org/great-apostasy.html

The falling away is the Great Apostasy, where christians rebel from God by accepting false doctrine, which, BTW, they are doing right now.

Is "rebel" the word you really want to use? I am just asking for clarification because scripture is clear on rebellion. One example ( and there are others )

• Proverbs 17:11 - An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.
• Ephesians 4 describes the danger of being tossed to and fro by every whim of doctrine and guarding against it by being grounded in truth.

 

[Evmur]

Millions ARE falling away from the faith.
www.gotquestions.org/great-apostasy.html

The falling away is the Great Apostasy, where christians rebel from God by accepting false doctrine, which, BTW, they are doing right now.

there are more saved Christians in China than America 's all Pentecostal ... Africa, India they are beginning to prosper on the doctrines America has abandoned.

 

[Evmur]

We certainly do. All are presented with a choice. That is core Gospel Truth. Belief in this is essential. No one is born saved, and no one is born for the purpose of fueling the fires of Hell.

He gives the choice and to those He intends He is irresistible .... if He doesn't give the choice ya got no choice.

Pre-destiny and Election [God's choosing] works like this.

To those who God intends to save the Holy Spirit draws them to the Son and they love Him, others are also drawn to Him but they hate Him.

 

[Evmur]

John 6:
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

yeh many walked away but their place was taken by others, thousands who a few days ago were screaming "crucify Him" came running to be saved on the day of Pentecost.

In the west many are falling away, in Asia and Africa multitudes are being saved.

 

[Adelia]

there are more saved Christians in China than America 's all Pentecostal ... Africa, India they are beginning to prosper on the doctrines America has abandoned.

I am happy there are people in those countries seeking the Lord. I think that most likely when prayer was effectively removed from schools in the US, in the 1960's, that it was the beginning of the end ( what we have today ). I was reading there is a great falling away in all churches and among all ethnicities in the US. It is very sad. The harvest is many and the workers are few.

 

[John146]

Why does the devil fight so hard to destroy us spiritually IF we can't be?

Where is this in scripture? Ephesians 6? I see the main reason the devil may attack Christians is to stop us from evangelizing the lost, preaching the gospel.

 

[Evmur]

Repentance is not a one-time thing. It must often be repeated on a daily basis.

1 John 1:
6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:1
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”

Your doctrine seems to indicate that we have no Advocate with the Father.

I was talking about that special enlightening we had which brought us to the Lord [repentance] that's once for all time.
"He by a single offering has sanctified FOR ALL TIME those who come to Him by faith" Hebrews 10

Thence on we learn to walk with God and we repent of many things as go along.

Folks use Hebrews to get people to run to the front for a big show. But that scripture says "it is impossible to bring them to repentance ..."

What it means is THAT repentance is a once for all repentance, can't be repeated. What we have to do is "remember our first works remember from whence we fell"....come back to the cross.

Otherwise Jesus woulda have to have died again and again and again

If you put it in context with the whole chapter Hebrews is comparing the sacrifices offered at the temple every year with the once for all time sacrifice of the cross. He is saying those sacrifices were not perfect or the people would have had no consciousness of sin.

Our sacrifice IS perfect.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

My, my, here we go again.
It seems to me some people forgot what biblical time we're in.
How is it we believe in choosing Christ, but it's impossible to unchoose Him?
Why does the devil fight so hard to destroy us spiritually IF we can't be?

Because if the devil can get us to doubt, he takes us out of the fight..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Praise God that He was not duped by the fallacy of OSAS TULIP Calvinism and realized He needed to repent. I have another story for you...

Luke 15:
11And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

When a son departs, he needs to return with a spirit of remorse and repentance. Some will instead harden their hearts and refuse to return. Apostacy happens, and so does false teaching that says we do not have to repent of our sins and return home.

I suspect that some who start down Calvin Road do not consider all the error that comes along for the ride.

Good thing the person had eternal security. because he was changed, Not calvinistic OSAS..

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

With televangelists who have fallen all over the place, millions leaving the church, & I guess you're going to say either they're still saved regardless or all these people weren't saved in the first place?
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have [e]fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, [f]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Read what you posted.

It is impossible

what is impossible

to renew them again to repentance.

If they COULD fall away, they could never be re-saved. its one and done..

 

[Evmur]

That beautiful sentimental and utopian tale is charming indeed, but God is not so one dimensional as your wishful thinking may imagine. We must Go by what the Bible says. God is not mocked. Sin will not enter Heaven.


This "hedge and thorns" is the very thing which chokes him and draws him out...

Matthew 13:22
“He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.”

We must go by what the Bible says, not just wear the hats of other men and their denominational creeds.

If your sin was borne in Christ's own body on the tree 2, 000 years ago HOW can it enter heaven? it was buried with before you even committed it.

C,mon what are you believing?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

and yet they cry repent, repent, repent.

This scripture is simply saying that the repentance unto salvation is once and forever, it can't be repeated.

Instead of crucifying The Son of God again and again we go back to the one time sacrifice, we cling to that. People as say salvation can be lost THEY are the ones putting the cross and Him who died there to an open shame. Because people laugh and mock and say "there you see the cross does not work"

But the cross DOES work, it works for all time.

Millions do not fall away btw, millions are leaving the dead and alive churches ... many of them finding good spirit filled churches.

Yes, Amen!