The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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Cameron143

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We already discussed this.

I asked why did Jesus command to Pray Daily to be forgiven of our debts, which is Sin?

We already established that Jesus Shed Blood is the solution to our forgiveness.

I asked, why is Jesus saying, when doing your secret prayer, only the Father hears, we are to Seek Forgiveness if your Doctrine is all future sins are already forgiven?

And we already know there is no such Verse that says future sins, that is man made Doctrine. To which I asked, are you willing to Stand before God on Your man made Doctrine, nowhere found in Scripture, and will God accept your reasoning over His Holy Word.
I also already answered this. It is to restore fellowship and communion with God.
Now answer this: on what basis is God both faithful and just to forgive us our sins...1 John 2?
 
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I also already answered this. It is to restore fellowship and communion with God.
Now answer this: on what basis is God both faithful and just to forgive us our sins...1 John 2?
If something needs to be restored it means it is broken.

So daily sins breaks this fellowship until we ask for forgiveness.

So, if you think future sins are automatically forgiven, but know sins breaks the fellowship with God, and you don't seek forgiveness, you are not in fellowship with God.

That proves the modern day Grace Doctrine is False.
 
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To the other part of your post, when we ask for forgiveness God is faithful to grant us that.
 
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If something needs to be restored it means it is broken.

So daily sins breaks this fellowship until we ask for forgiveness.

So, if you think future sins are automatically forgiven, but know sins breaks the fellowship with God, and you don't seek forgiveness, you are not in fellowship with God.

That proves the modern day Grace Doctrine is False.
Cameron, you have proven the Modern Day Grace Doctrine is absolutely False.

Wonderful Job, Brother!!
 
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That also proves we are responsible to Abide or Remain in God


It's our daily sins that breaks the fellowship with God, so it must be us asking for forgiveness to restore the fellowship.
 
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NOW, we know why Jesus said to daily ask for forgiveness.

It's how we restore our relationship and fellowship and remain in God.
 

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If something needs to be restored it means it is broken.

So daily sins breaks this fellowship until we ask for forgiveness.

So, if you think future sins are automatically forgiven, but know sins breaks the fellowship with God, and you don't seek forgiveness, you are not in fellowship with God.

That proves the modern day Grace Doctrine is False.
When we are saved, we are given eternal life. We are placed into Christ. This is an irrevocable relationship. We did not place ourselves into Christ and we cannot take ourselves out of Christ.
When we sin, we are out of the proper relationship to God. We repent to restore fellowship and communion. But sin no longer condemns us. We only lose the manifest presence of God, and not the favor of God. Remember, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. It is an ongoing grace of God to give repentance.
Losing fellowship is not the same as losing relationship or position. We always remain in Christ. We don't always remain in fellowship.

I'm always curious...do you have to be born from above after each sin? How many times is a person saved? If a person dies without confessing a sin, do they go to hell? How many people have confessed every sin?

And lastly, on what basis is God faithful and JUST to forgive us of our sin?

Please answer my questions. You have yet to address them.
 
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When we are saved, we are given eternal life. We are placed into Christ. This is an irrevocable relationship. We did not place ourselves into Christ and we cannot take ourselves out of Christ.
When we sin, we are out of the proper relationship to God. We repent to restore fellowship and communion. But sin no longer condemns us. We only lose the manifest presence of God, and not the favor of God. Remember, it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. It is an ongoing grace of God to give repentance.
Losing fellowship is not the same as losing relationship or position. We always remain in Christ. We don't always remain in fellowship.

I'm always curious...do you have to be born from above after each sin? How many times is a person saved? If a person dies without confessing a sin, do they go to hell? How many people have confessed every sin?

And lastly, on what basis is God faithful and JUST to forgive us of our sin?

Please answer my questions. You have yet to address them.
didn't i not begin with: OSAS is the PERFECT DOCTRINE, on it's own without interpretation?

we are ONLY SAVED ONCE.

and why do you keep asking these questions?
it's like you're trying get around the FACT, Jesus said, ASK for FORGIVENESS DAILY .
You sound like a Legalist, like Calvin.


if you never ask for forgiveness, and it's your daily sins that DAMAGE the Relationship with God.
but, if you don't ask for forgiveness on a daily basis, like Jesus commanded, and you GO YEARS like this.
just HOW FAR away, have YOU put yourself, in continual DAMAGE to the Relationship of God?

it is us who DECIDES to stay or go, by whether we sin and do or don't ask for forgiveness.
 

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didn't i not begin with: OSAS is the PERFECT DOCTRINE, on it's own without interpretation?

we are ONLY SAVED ONCE.

and why do you keep asking these questions?
it's like you're trying get around the FACT, Jesus said, ASK for FORGIVENESS DAILY.

if you never ask for forgiveness, and it's your daily sins that DAMAGE the Relationship with God.
but, if you don't ask for forgiveness on a daily basis, like Jesus commanded, and you GO YEARS like this.
just HOW FAR away, have YOU put yourself, in continual DAMAGE to the Relationship of God?

it is us who DECIDES to stay or go, by whether we sin and do or don't ask for forgiveness.
If you are only saved once, then positionally, your sins are forgiven. Nothing will interfere with our eternal estate.
So the forgiveness Jesus is speaking concerns our relational state. It is incumbent on us to walk in humility before God. That's why I said we need to keep short accounts with God. In giving us this prayer, Jesus makes clear our need to do this.
Anyone who goes for long periods without doing so cannot possibly have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. One of the operations of the Spirit is to convict us of sin. Where people are not repenting, they are not under conviction. It is an ongoing grace and a testimony of the goodness of God to the believer that He grants us sorrow unto repentance.
 
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If you are only saved once, then positionally, your sins are forgiven. Nothing will interfere with our eternal estate.
So the forgiveness Jesus is speaking concerns our relational state. It is incumbent on us to walk in humility before God. That's why I said we need to keep short accounts with God. In giving us this prayer, Jesus makes clear our need to do this.
Anyone who goes for long periods without doing so cannot possibly have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. One of the operations of the Spirit is to convict us of sin. Where people are not repenting, they are not under conviction. It is an ongoing grace and a testimony of the goodness of God to the believer that He grants us sorrow unto repentance.
how do you reconcile that?

you are restored by asking for forgiveness, because, you were Once Saved.

but if you do not ask, how are you restored?
 

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how do you reconcile that?

you are restored by asking for forgiveness, because, you were Once Saved.

but if you do not ask, how are you restored?
I explained it. Positionally, once we are placed into Christ, we remain forever there. Relationally, we can either be in fellowship with God or out of fellowship. Sin hinders this fellowship until confessed.
Sin for the believer only temporarily interrupts fellowship, which is restored upon confession. At no point in the interruption of fellowship is salvation lost.
 
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I explained it. Positionally, once we are placed into Christ, we remain forever there.
if the ONLY WAY to REMAIN or ABIDE is by asking for Forgiveness, and this POSITIONALLY separates and Damages the Relationship to God when no Forgiveness is asked for, how do you think you're Saved?

you sin, you no longer Abide.

where in the Bible, does it say, when YOU DO NOT ABIDE, you are still Saved?
 

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Peter straight up says these qualities and gifts God wants to enrich us with have been done, but the fact ONLY OUR PAST OLD SINS ARE FORGIVEN and not current sins is Why people are not able to show they have these blessings from God.

Peter flat out says due to only you having your old sins forgiven [not current not future] so you still have unforgiven sin...this is why these things are not evident in your life.

It doesn't get any more straight forward than that.
This is not true
If your future sin is not forgiven, you have no means of ever getting them forgiven.

The penelty of sin is death, the only redemption can be death. If CHrist did not die for your sins, You will and it will be an etetrnal death
 
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This is not true
If your future sin is not forgiven, you have no means of ever getting them forgiven.
this is illogic!

we have a means, it's called forgiveness.

i will ask you, Jesus said, ask for Forgiveness each day.

why would He say this, if my future sins, are already forgiven?
 
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do not forget, when Jesus said this, it was STILL LAW to go to the Temple to have Sins forgiven.

but here, Jesus, is short cutting that process by simply having us to ask EVERY DAY for Forgiveness [in our private secret Prayers].

so, it relates directly to us NOW.
 

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This is certainly the way one should grieve over their sins. It is the way to approach God and be received into His presence. And it serves as a springboard to renew fellowship and communion. But it is not the reason sins are forgiven.
Sins are forgiven because their penalty has been met. God's wrath has been satisfied by Jesus death on the cross.
I think I’m beginning to understand. True believers/the Elect have already been predestined and justified before the foundation of the world. Yes?

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

- Romans 8:29-30
 
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all i can find: is the WARNING if YOU DO NOT ABIDE you end up in FIRE

4 abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me.

5 I am the vine, you the branches. He that abides in me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for without me you can do nothing.

6 If any one abide not in me, he is cast out as the branch and withers, and they gather it and throw it into the fire, and it is burned.



so, how do we ABIDE?
daily asking for FORGIVENESS, is how!