the government should execute the rape victims as well?

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nathan3

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What are you talking about? I'm responding to people who say that if a rape victim does not scream, it's because she's somehow consenting. Where am I twisting scripture? Where am I even mentioning scripture? Perhaps you misclicked.
grief. if she dose not cry-out for help, dose not mean she cant. It means she did not; what dose that mean ? it means she consented. It is how it reads following what the two engage in. Consented to the sexual affair. Not to be confused with the verses just near by.
 
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and just because a person doesn't know much about the bible that means he is ignorant?
please, knowing bible more that other doesn't mean you can ignore or mock somebody.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Folks, I'm not a christian, I have no christians around me. but I started reading it because I thought it might be a good idea.
but how you react to a person who questions the bible is not the way jesus would do.
I'm so disappointed that you don't really greet unbelievers around here.
maybe I should just live the way I used to live then.
My apologies on behalf of the group, they seem to think your just here to instigate an argument and twist things around.(We do get people that legitimate do that on purpose all the time). To be completely honest, it's a very hostile environment on the Bible Discussion Forums....even amongst people that do believe.....The ideals of compassion, love, and tolerance do not manifest themselves the way they should on this forum. Nothing I can do to change that but if your legitimately here for discussion, I'll reply without attacking you or you can pm me if you like.
 
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nathan3

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Folks, I'm not a christian, I have no christians around me. but I started reading it because I thought it might be a good idea.
but how you react to a person who questions the bible is not the way jesus would do.
I'm so disappointed that you don't really greet unbelievers around here.
maybe I should just live the way I used to live then.
You pretty much got everyone figured out already, reverse psychology wont work here. Your in your late 30s . so, what can we tell you. Most people here are good people. But you cant play games with people either. There are non believers here. but they at least show a little respect . You came on here, telling us, that the Bible sentences rape victims to death, with attitude and all. What response were you expecting ? It wont sit well with people who actually taken the time to understand whats written there.
 
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Folks, I'm not a christian, I have no christians around me. but I started reading it because I thought it might be a good idea.
but how you react to a person who questions the bible is not the way jesus would do.
I'm so disappointed that you don't really greet unbelievers around here.
maybe I should just live the way I used to live then.
Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and may you come to Believe.
 
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st_sebastian

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grief. if she dose not cry-out for help, dose not mean she cant. It means she did not; what dose that mean ? it means she consented. It is how it reads following what the two engage in. Consented to the sexual affair.
We disagree - I believe that compliance and consent are two different things.

Over a disagreement about these two concepts, you accuse me of twisting scripture and are just so exhausted it by it that you're experiencing grief. I'll do my best not to hurt you further, but you seem really on edge already.
 
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BananaPie

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Folks, I'm not a christian... but how you react to a person who questions the bible is not the way jesus would do.
ElijahC, if you know what Jesus would do or not do, then go follow Jesus.
We cannot read the Bible for you, neither can your struggles be our burden.

If you want to learn about Jesus, let's start with what Jesus said,
"seek first the Kingdom of God and His righeousness."
There's nothing there about rape or other heinous thoughts, are there?

Now chill, dude.
 
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Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and may you come to Believe.
Sister, I read the bible.
that's why I said "the way jesus would do"
I know how much peace-loving person he was and old-testament was all good.
but old testament, such as deutronomy, this part was all about killing and punishing.
it almost seemed like it old testament was book of genocide.
I'm really sorry if I offended you people anyhow.
but it seems like I don't belong here or any other christian community.
 
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nathan3

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We disagree - I believe that compliance and consent are two different things.

Over a disagreement about these two concepts, you accuse me of twisting scripture and are just so exhausted it by it that you're experiencing grief. I'll do my best not to hurt you further, but you seem really on edge already.
Maybe you can clear up for me then, what it was that was" scary "for you in a post or two before ? Don't worry about hurting me, we need to worry about misleading people because we where wrong about scripture..
 
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My apologies on behalf of the group, they seem to think your just here to instigate an argument and twist things around.(We do get people that legitimate do that on purpose all the time). To be completely honest, it's a very hostile environment on the Bible Discussion Forums....even amongst people that do believe.....The ideals of compassion, love, and tolerance do not manifest themselves the way they should on this forum. Nothing I can do to change that but if your legitimately here for discussion, I'll reply without attacking you or you can pm me if you like.
I appreciate your help.
I'm afraid if I can discuss anymore questioning matters here on this forum.
I didn't expect to see hostility when I posted at first.
 

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Have a read through and see if it helps clear the matter up.

Deuteronomy 22


22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I appreciate your help.
I'm afraid if I can discuss anymore questioning matters here on this forum.
I didn't expect to see hostility when I posted at first.
It does honestly appear to be that your just trying to make waves.....we have see a lot of people on the forums that do this for kicks, but I'm not so quick to judge on that.

People tend to forget that not everyone is familiar with the Bible and some people have real legitimate questions.....I could only imagine what I would think if I opened up the book of Deuteronomy if I had not had an extensive familiarity with the rest of the bible first....lol

I personally don't go to a church in real life because of the judgement and hostility so I understand how you feel about that. I think it's the number 1 reason that non-Christians never seriously consider Christianity.
 
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Tintin

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Of course the OT is difficult at times to understand/comprehend but the attitude of the opening post is what led me to believe they were a troll, not just the content of the post itself. There have been far too many people stirring-up Christians here of late for us not to be a bit cynical and frustrated.
 
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Sister, I read the bible.
that's why I said "the way jesus would do"
I know how much peace-loving person he was and old-testament was all good.
but old testament, such as deutronomy, this part was all about killing and punishing.
it almost seemed like it old testament was book of genocide.
I'm really sorry if I offended you people anyhow.
but it seems like I don't belong here or any other christian community.
In no way have you offended me, and it would be nice for you to stay.

All things come to pass for GOOD.

While it may be hard to accept.

We must know that GOD is Righteous and GOOD.

Consider what came to pass to bring us Salvation.

The Messiah suffered much pain, but it is all for GOOD.

When GOD sent the flood, consider how bad things were to warrant such an action.

To bring us the right to eat of the Tree of Life much has come to pass, but worry not.

Trust the Almighty GOD in all things.

Peace and Blessings.
 
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It does honestly appear to be that your just trying to make waves.....we have see a lot of people on the forums that do this for kicks, but I'm not so quick to judge on that.
I get what you mean. my apology again for everything. But honestly I'm not here to make any fuss I'm just here to enlighten myself about bible. If it's not bothering too much, I'll ask you via p.m with further more questions.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I get what you mean. my apology again for everything. But honestly I'm not here to make any fuss I'm just here to enlighten myself about bible. If it's not bothering too much, I'll ask you via p.m with further more questions.
Yea, no problem.....pm whenever you like.
 
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Of course the OT is difficult at times to understand/comprehend but the attitude of the opening post is what led me to believe they were a troll, not just the content of the post itself. There have been far too many people stirring-up Christians here of late for us not to be a bit cynical and frustrated.
Tintin. if I offended you, my apology.
I just wanted to hear the view of christians rationally.
 
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nathan3

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Tintin. if I offended you, my apology.
I just wanted to hear the view of christians rationally.
I'm not as forgetful as some. what exactly is rational about what you said here :

"" 'Im not a bible fanatic or anything,but if you are a good christian, we should do exactly as god wants."" ( pertaining to your claim, of killing rape victims )
 
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MidniteWelder

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Sometimes...
Sometimes a person cannot just be handed a math book and be told
"there ya go, all the information is in there now go teach it to yourself"
And sometimes, its not solely about the OP
Sometimes its also about anyone else who may anonymously read and be given insight or enlightenment to a burning question that has troubled them all their life but has never been explained.
Not just the 5 or 10 people who may be in our bubble of forum focus at the time.

This is our God we are talking about.
Which can be confusing to some but our God should be know in all his ways
Alpha and Omega
From beginning to end
Not removing any of his words or adding to.
His Love as well as his Wrath.
His Mercy as well as His Vengeance
His Grace as well as his Discipline
Everything about God that encompasses his nature.
All which for different reasons in different measure for different situations can lead to our repentance, which brings upon salvation.
It may be confusing to one asking what all the facets of Gods character and the aspects of his love encompass within trying to understand our just and righteous perfect God.
We may know because we already know him
Not everybody knows God as intimately as we do.
not everybody understands to accept God and his directives as Abraham did without question.
Its his kindness that leads us to repentance.
Our humble obedience which brings mercy

And yes as BananaPie said ElijahC, seek ye first the kingdom of God and all other things will be added unto you.
This would include wisdom and understanding of his word.
Yet we must all realize that God uses his people to accomplish much of his will and his work.
We are directed to preach the gospel to all.
Lets remember this as the more we know God the more we realize he is not simple as we first may have thought.
That learning Gods precepts upon precepts can be even more complex than any math book.
Therefore can be difficult or confusing to understand and may take different ways of explaining before a person can be given light to their path..
God Bless