The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

[Hakawaka]

Not at all. The theology of scripture does not stand or fall on the carnal logic of fallen mankind. It is derived from the special revelation of God. So we have quickly see where the confusion is found. You make this statement when it has been published for years and years in all the Confessions of faith, who offer Calvinist theology and belief.
Here is the 1689 COF>

Of God’s Decree 1 God hath a decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will,
freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;
yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; b
nor is violence offered to the will of the creature,
nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away,
but rather c established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness d in accomplishing his decree. ( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)

If you are going to oppose this truth, do it accurately.
No Calvinist believes what you say. This is THE Statement.

Which is why I said, this is where calvinist theology leads to... NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DENY IT.

I have read this particular part of the confession and it has been brought up by calvinists many times. However, the confession in itself makes no sense and is contradictory. You cannot predestine everything wicked to occur, and NOT be the one who takes the blame for it. No way

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

the context of Roman 8 starts in chapter 6

Fairly agree (with minor adjustment):


--Romans 1 through 5:11 is about "sinS" (sins we commit... etc; "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" etc);


--Romans 5:12 through chpt-8-end is about "Sin" (or, "the Sin");





--in chpts 9-11, Paul turns a corner (begins covering another subject)

 

[Burn1986]

Let me clarify a bit;
God saves sinners. 1tim1:15
God saves sinners from their sins. Mt.1:21
Saved sinners who are already justified assemble together
These Local assemblies of saved sinners are known to be churches

This is the problem with cultists such as yourself, as Paul says in:
2 Tim 3:5
“Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

I know you want to converse back and forth but in 2 Cor 6:14 “…For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?”

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Let me clarify a bit;
God saves sinners. 1tim1:15
God saves sinners from their sins. Mt.1:21
Saved sinners who are already justified assemble together
These Local assemblies of saved sinners are known to be churches

Yes..

 

[Iconoclast]

Which is why I said, this is where calvinist theology leads to... NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DENY IT.

I have read this particular part of the confession and it has been brought up by calvinists many times. However, the confession in itself makes no sense and is contradictory. You cannot predestine everything wicked to occur, and NOT be the one who takes the blame for it. No way

Well since you openly confess the confession makes no sense to you that settles the issue then.
You do not have the capacity to understand how these things can be.
It does not use the word predestined but ordained.
It mentions second causes which you ignore, no wonder you cannot understand.
You are the one in denial, but you are free to deny reality.
We can see it is not Calvinistic theology in question, but your denial of the theology.
When a JW denies the trinity, it is not the theology in question, but the wrong understanding by the JW.
Same thing here.

 

[Hakawaka]

You are the one in denial, but you are free to deny reality.

There you go again. Im NOT free to deny it according to your theology. I was predestined, oops, ordained, to not see the confession is guilty of double-talk.

 

[Iconoclast]

There you go again. Im NOT free to deny it according to your theology. I was predestined, oops, ordained, to not see the confession is guilty of double-talk.

You entered the deep end of the pool, but do not know how to swim. It does not make you a bad person.
It does mean you have lost any sense of credibility to comment on it, as you cannot grasp what the Confessional statement teaches.
Your lack of understanding does not change reality

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Luke 7:29-30 -

Luk 7:29
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Luk 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel [G1012 - boulēn / boulē (<--same word in Eph1:11--a verse often used by Calvinists)] of God against themselves, being not baptized of him[/JtB].

 

[CS1]

Fairly agree (with minor adjustment):


--Romans 1 through 5:11 is about "sinS" (sins we commit... etc; "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" etc);


--Romans 5:12 through chpt-8-end is about "Sin" (or, "the Sin");





--in chapters 9-11, Paul turns a corner (begins covering another subject)

Chapter One in the Intro to the church and the Just shall live by faith and God's wrath on the Unrighteous.
Chapter Two God’s Righteous Judgment and to the Jews, and circumcision
Chapter Three all have sinned, Rigthouness through faith, about the jews
Chapter Four-Faith justifying and justification before circumcision
Chapter Five : 1- 18 justified by faith, Christ died for the ungodly, Adam brought death, Christ brought life
Chapter six Dead to sin
Chapter Seven Freed from the law

 

[Hakawaka]

Luke 7:29-30 -

Luk 7:29
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Luk 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel [G1012 - boulēn / boulē (<--same word in Eph1:11--a verse often used by Calvinists)] of God against themselves, being not baptized of him[/JtB].

This alone should settle it.

 

[Evmur]

Hello Evmur,
We are never called to pronounce eternal judgment as Jesus does that.

We are called to make many righteous judgments, daily. jn7
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement.

The appearance is that the world has always been made up of vast BILLIONS of goats who the Lord will set on His left hand and just a few straggly sheep who He will set upon His right hand ... do you make this judgement?

I tell you it is not right judgement.

 

[Iconoclast]

Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement.

The appearance is that the world has always been made up of vast BILLIONS of goats who the Lord will set on His left hand and just a few straggly sheep who He will set upon His right hand ... do you make this judgement?

I tell you it is not right judgement.

Well, I have not posted anything like that. Where are you getting such an idea?
God has Covenanted to save a great multitude of sinners. More than the sand of the sea, or the stars in the heavens.
Election secures that great number. Do you agree?

 

[Evmur]

Well, I have not posted anything like that. Where are you getting such an idea?
God has Covenanted to save a great multitude of sinners. More than the sand of the sea, or the stars in the heavens.
Election secures that great number. Do you agree?

I think election is unto the church. Others can be saved. in other words I believe in a wider mercy.

 

[NightTwister]

Which is why I said, this is where calvinist theology leads to... NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DENY IT.

I have read this particular part of the confession and it has been brought up by calvinists many times. However, the confession in itself makes no sense and is contradictory. You cannot predestine everything wicked to occur, and NOT be the one who takes the blame for it. No way

God's Sovereignty in no way interferes with or negates our responsibility.

 

[Iconoclast]

I think election is unto the church. Others can be saved. in other words I believe in a wider mercy.

God's design is perfect. He intends to save all He can justly and wisely save. He has not overlooked anyone.
It was never God's plan to save each and every person who was ever born.
We can be very thankful God is loving and Kind.
God does not have to do what we think He could, or should do.
His plan is perfect and exact.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

God's design is perfect. He intends to save all He can justly and wisely save. He has not overlooked anyone.
It was never God's plan to save each and every person who was ever born.
We can be very thankful God is loving and Kind.
God does not have to do what we think He could, or should do.
His plan is perfect and exact.

That does not mean it was not his will that everyone would be saved.

 

[Iconoclast]

That does not mean it was not his will that everyone would be saved.

Now this is important.

God's will always gets done.

The thing He purposes does take place, without fail. Isa.46

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying,

My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea,

I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

 

[Burn1986]

Probably the most “elect” persons in Jesus’ time were the Pharisees.

 

[Iconoclast]

Probably the most “elect” persons in Jesus’ time were the Pharisees.

Can you explain the doctrine of election for us?

what do you mean by that term?