The 'heavens' of Gen 1:1 is absolutely NOT the sky and stars that is visible to us!

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1still_waters

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Is this statement true?

The heavens mentioned in Genesis 1:1 is absolutely NOT the sky, stars, sun ie, all the visible stuff we can see above. Rather the heavens mentioned in Genesis 1:1 IS absolutely the heavens where God abides, ie all the invisible stuff we can't see.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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i think it is both
 
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keep_on_smiling

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I think the statement is true. I don't think heaven in the first verse was referring to the sky. The sky is mentioned in verse six. And the stars and such in verse fourteen through nineteen.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.


In my thinking, when it is written in verse two that the Lord started talking about the earth and didn't mention the heavens again in this chapter.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

The following verses feed of off from this one, talking about the earth. This would mean that the sky and stars are different than what the Lord meant when He said Heavens in verse one.
 
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babyboyblue

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I guess it depends on the version of Bible you're reading. The KJV states that God created two definite articles by using the word "the" and both heaven and earth are singular not plural.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 
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Laodicea

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I guess it depends on the version of Bible you're reading. The KJV states that God created two definite articles by using the word "the" and both heaven and earth are singular not plural.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That is what I was thinking it is in the singular.
 
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MaggieMye

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Oh for Pete's sake, you guys! READ THE WORDS IN THE VERSE!!

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

"heavens" is PLURAL. Yeah, MORE THAN ONE!!
Scripture identifies the first heaven (sun, moon, stars) and the third heaven (where the thron of God is).
We know from Dan.10 that an angel fought alongside Michael enroute from the third heaven TO Daniel. What did he fight? A Principality. So in goimg from the THIRD heaven to the FIRST heaven, he had to pass through the SECOND heaven in which they encountered the principality from the kingdom of dakness...the satanic domain.
Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was [o]withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me,
We know that this angel, whom Michael helped, came from the presence of God becuase of :12 "this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words." This angel was sent BY God. He was a messenger, like Gabriel.
Maggie
 
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babyboyblue

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Oh for Pete's sake, you guys! READ THE WORDS IN THE VERSE!!

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

"heavens" is PLURAL. Yeah, MORE THAN ONE!!
I think you may have missed the first part of my post. Depends on the version you're reading.

Besides, why would God have to create the Heaven where he resides at the time he created the earth? Considering it's Father, Son, Holy Spirit + Lucifer, Gabriel and the other 100,000,000+ angels, where did they all live before the earth was created if God created His Heaven at that time?
 

TheAristocat

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I came to the conclusion that heavens meant multiple heavens as in the sky, the cosmos and then God's realm. But now I don't know since "waters" can also be used to refer to a sea or the like and this is not multiple "waters" but one giant amalgamation of water. *shrug* Whatever the conclusion there do appear to be multiple heavens - at least 3 in fact. This is a completely Biblical concept.
 
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cronjecj

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It is singular because the older book KJV is more accurate then the new translators,

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Heaven is God's throne and the earth is His footstool.

You get 3 heaven's 1st, 2nd and 3rd....(see 2 Corinthians 12:2 for reference)

The following falls under earth creation in Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


1st - Physical realm (the earth and all the things above us that are visible to flesh)

2nd - Spiritual realm (where Satan and his angels dwell it is all around us here on the earth and sky but the spiritual are not visible to the physical)


The 3rd and final falls under heaven in Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

3rd - Spiritual realm (God's throne, Paradise)
 
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cronjecj

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Oh for Pete's sake, you guys! READ THE WORDS IN THE VERSE!!

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

"heavens" is PLURAL. Yeah, MORE THAN ONE!!
Scripture identifies the first heaven (sun, moon, stars) and the third heaven (where the thron of God is).
We know from Dan.10 that an angel fought alongside Michael enroute from the third heaven TO Daniel. What did he fight? A Principality. So in goimg from the THIRD heaven to the FIRST heaven, he had to pass through the SECOND heaven in which they encountered the principality from the kingdom of dakness...the satanic domain.
Dan 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was [o]withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me,
We know that this angel, whom Michael helped, came from the presence of God becuase of :12 "this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words." This angel was sent BY God. He was a messenger, like Gabriel.
Maggie
Heavens (plural) means the sky where the sky is, visible to flesh (this falls under earth creation) see Psalm 19:1 for reference.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the original hebrew uses the word 'shamayim'...the -im ending makes it plural...so the correct translation is 'heavens'

the singular 'heaven' in the king james version is an error
 

TheAristocat

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the original hebrew uses the word 'shamayim'...the -im ending makes it plural...so the correct translation is 'heavens'

the singular 'heaven' in the king james version is an error
Amen. I think 'heavens' could still refer to something singular in nature, because waters also seems to refer to a sea or a totality of water which cannot be quantified. Elohim also refers to one God. But for the sake of preserving any indistinct or hidden meaning the plurality of the word should probably be preserved until we know enough to make a judgment call.
 
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oldernotwiser

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this sort of issue is both amusing and a little sad at the same time. we can get pages of discussion concerning things like this but dont seem to see much about the beggars in our doorways (every time i go back to the states i see more of them.) it appears that either jesus was joking or a lot of people are going to hell. (but when they get there they can teach bible classes)
 
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It is singular because the older book KJV is more accurate then the new translators,

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Heaven is God's throne and the earth is His footstool.

You get 3 heaven's 1st, 2nd and 3rd....(see 2 Corinthians 12:2 for reference)

The following falls under earth creation in Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


1st - Physical realm (the earth and all the things above us that are visible to flesh)

2nd - Spiritual realm (where Satan and his angels dwell it is all around us here on the earth and sky but the spiritual are not visible to the physical)


The 3rd and final falls under heaven in Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

3rd - Spiritual realm (God's throne, Paradise)
YES three Heavens plus three "hells".

3, 7, 19. are bible numbers in many things 100 and 1000 are also well used numbers.

Three resurrections is another example.

Mac.
 
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Is this statement true?

The heavens mentioned in Genesis 1:1 is absolutely NOT the sky, stars, sun ie, all the visible stuff we can see above. Rather the heavens mentioned in Genesis 1:1 IS absolutely the heavens where God abides, ie all the invisible stuff we can't see.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Psalm 97:6
The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.