The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

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2 Chronicles 15:1 And the spirit of God came upon/b] Azariah the son of Oded:

2 Chronicles 18:23 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near, and smote Micaiah upon/b] the cheek, and said, Which way went the spirit of Jehovah from me to speak unto thee?

2 Chronicles 20:14 Then upon/b] Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, the Levite, of the sons of Asaph, came the spirit of Jehovah in the midst of the assembly;

2 Chronicles 24:20 And the spirit of God came upon/b] Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest; and he stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of Jehovah, so that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken Jehovah, he hath also forsaken you.

Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit upon/b] you; I will make known my words unto you.

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon/b] him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

Isaiah 32:15 until the spirit be poured upon/b] us from on high, and the wilderness become a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be esteemed as a forest.

Isaiah 42:1 Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my spirit upon/b] him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon/b] it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Isaiah 44:3 For I will pour water upon/b] him that is thirsty, and streams upon/b] the dry ground; I will pour my spirit upon/b] thy seed, and my blessing upon/b] thine offspring:

Isaiah 59:21 And as for me, this is my covenant with them, saith Jehovah: my spirit that is upon/b] thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith Jehovah, from henceforth and for ever.

Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon/b] me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Ezekiel 2:2 And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon/b] my feet; and I heard him that spake unto me.

Ezekiel 3:14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away; and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; and the hand of Jehovah was strong upon/b] me.

Ezekiel 3:24 Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon/b] my feet; and he spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thy house.

Ezekiel 11:5 And the spirit of Jehovah fell upon/b] me, and he said unto me, Speak, Thus saith Jehovah: Thus have ye said, O house of Israel; for I know the things that come into your mind.
Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of Jehovah was upon/b] me, and he brought me out in the spirit of Jehovah, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones.

Ezekiel 39:29 neither will I hide my face any more from them; for I have poured out my spirit upon/b] the house of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon/b] all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joel 2:29 and also upon/b] the servants and upon/b] the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon/b] the house of David, and upon/b] the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.
 

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Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon/b] him;

Matthew 12:18 Behold, my servant whom I have chosen; My beloved in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon/b] him, And he shall declare judgment to the Gentiles.

Matthew 12:28 But if I by the spirit of God cast out demons, then is the kingdom of God come upon/b] you.

Mark 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens rent asunder, and the spirit as a dove descending upon/b] him:

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy spirit shall come upon/b] thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

Luke 2:25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy spirit was upon/b] him.

Luke 3:22 and the Holy spirit descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon/b] him, and a voice came out of heaven, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Luke 4:18 The spirit of the Lord is upon/b] me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor: He hath sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:36 And amazement came upon/b] all, and they spake together, one with another, saying, What is this word? for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.

John 1:32 And John bare witness, saying, I have beheld the spirit descending as a dove out of heaven; and it abode upon/b] him.

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize in water, he said unto me, upon/b] whomsoever thou shalt see the spirit descending, and abiding upon/b] him, the same is he that baptizeth in the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy spirit is come upon/b] you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of my spirit upon/b] all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon/b] you no greater burden than these necessary things:

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon/b] them, the Holy spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Galatians 3:14 that upon/b] the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith.

1 Peter 4:14 If ye are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are ye; because the spirit ofglory and the spirit of God resteth upon/b] you.

Romans 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:25 If we live by the Spirit(indwelling), by the Spirit let us also walk(filling enpowerment).

Micah 3:8 But as for me, I am full of power by the Spirit of Jehovah, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and a fame went out concerning him through all the region round about.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 10:38even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Romans 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; even Jesus Christ our Lord,

Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 15:19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Holy Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and round about even unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ;

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1 Corinthians 5:4 in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man;

1 Thessalonians 1:5 how that our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; even as ye know what manner of men we showed ourselves toward you for your sake.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline.

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders, and by manifold powers, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to his own will.
 

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End of indwelling and filling of HS. Since, I messed up html tags, keywords to look for are upon spirit fill full power --- I can't remember the rest. If you know how to use a find function, I think it is <ctrl> F use or try / or [ or ] .

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End of indwelling and filling of HS. Since, I messed up html tags, keywords to look for are upon spirit fill full power --- I can't remember the rest. If you know how to use a find function, I think it is <ctrl> F use or try / or [ or ] .

read to here
Don't worry, i did not not and can not go through all that, sorry but you haven't answered me:

Q. Why does the indwelling of the HS happen only when Jesus goes? what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going? i mean, the HS was already there with the disciples and they knew Him but He could not indwell them until Jesus goes.

Again, what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going?
 

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Don't worry, i did not not and can not go through all that, sorry but you haven't answered me:

Q. Why does the indwelling of the HS happen only when Jesus goes? what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going? i mean, the HS was already there with the disciples and they knew Him but He could not indwell them until Jesus goes.

Again, what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going?
It was imperative that Jesus died and rose again for the salvation of men: see Mat_20:19; Mat_26:2; Mar_9:31; Mar_10:33, Luk_9:44; Luk_18:32.

This is his "going away." Without his death and resurrection there is no salvation.

Further to this Jesus could only be bodily present in one place at one time, but in Mat 18:20 Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

So, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, went away into Glory and returned again in the Spirit. He is with us today as we can see in the above scripture.

The unity of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father can be seen when Jesus told us "All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he (the Holy Spirit) will take what is mine and declare it to you." (Joh 16:15 ESV)
 

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It was not a dove. A dove fly's over where it is landing and softly settles down, The Holy Spirit is a person and he came upon Jesus in this manner. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus
No ,the Holy Spirit is not "the spirit of Jesus"
 

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Don't worry, i did not not and can not go through all that, sorry but you haven't answered me:

Q. Why does the indwelling of the HS happen only when Jesus goes? what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going? i mean, the HS was already there with the disciples and they knew Him but He could not indwell them until Jesus goes.

Again, what is the connection between the indwelling of the HS and Jesus going?
I did answer you look for the short answer before all the proofs you choose to ignore.
 

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It was imperative that Jesus died and rose again for the salvation of men: see Mat_20:19; Mat_26:2; Mar_9:31; Mar_10:33, Luk_9:44; Luk_18:32.

This is his "going away." Without his death and resurrection there is no salvation.

Further to this Jesus could only be bodily present in one place at one time, but in Mat 18:20 Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

So, Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, went away into Glory and returned again in the Spirit. He is with us today as we can see in the above scripture.

The unity of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father can be seen when Jesus told us "All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he (the Holy Spirit) will take what is mine and declare it to you." (Joh 16:15 ESV)
Of course you are wrong.

John 14: 28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice thatI am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.

John 16:5Now, however,I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’

John 16:28I came from the Father and entered the world. In turn, I will leave the world and go to the Father.”


Even after resurrection, Jesus was still insisting that He is 'going'.

John 20:17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”

Try again, the death of Jesus was not His going.
 

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Christ accomplished his mission of salvation by his death and resurrection. After which he made himself known to others and continued teaching.

He appeared to Mary Magdalene, to two men on the road to Emmaus, the disciples and he said to “Thomas, Bring your finger here and see My hands, and bring your hand and thrust into My side, and be not unbelieving, but believing. And Thomas answered and said to Him, my Master and my Elohim! Yahshua said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have believed. Blessed are the ones not seeing me and believing. (Joh 20:27-29)

His work accomplished with even the stone rolled away from the sepulchre bearing witness to his resurrection, he returned from whence he came, without leaving us comfortless, to reign over us eternally and to prepare a place for us. That my friend was the reason for his going. If I have omitted anything, please tell me. I might learn something.
 

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Christ accomplished his mission of salvation by his death and resurrection. After which he made himself known to others and continued teaching.

He appeared to Mary Magdalene, to two men on the road to Emmaus, the disciples and he said to “Thomas, Bring your finger here and see My hands, and bring your hand and thrust into My side, and be not unbelieving, but believing. And Thomas answered and said to Him, my Master and my Elohim! Yahshua said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have believed. Blessed are the ones not seeing me and believing. (Joh 20:27-29)

His work accomplished with even the stone rolled away from the sepulchre bearing witness to his resurrection, he returned from whence he came, without leaving us comfortless, to reign over us eternally and to prepare a place for us. That my friend was the reason for his going. If I have omitted anything, please tell me. I might learn something.
Then you missed the point. After His resurrection, Jesus still insisted that He had not yet gone to the Father:

John 20:17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father andyour Father, to My God and your God.’”

And we know the 'going' was to the Father:

John 14: 28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice thatI am going to the Father,because the Father is greater than I.

John 16:5Now, however,I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’

John 16:28I came from the Father and entered the world. In turn, I will leave the world and go to the Father.”

So, the going was not about His death or the rolled tomb stone or the appearance after resurrection, the 'going' was about ascension.
 

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Then you missed the point. After His resurrection, Jesus still insisted that He had not yet gone to the Father:

John 20:17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father andyour Father, to My God and your God.’”

And we know the 'going' was to the Father:

John 14: 28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice thatI am going to the Father,because the Father is greater than I.

John 16:5Now, however,I am going to Him who sent Me; yet none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’

John 16:28I came from the Father and entered the world. In turn, I will leave the world and go to the Father.”

So, the going was not about His death or the rolled tomb stone or the appearance after resurrection, the 'going' was about ascension.
Till all was accomplished. Job done! Then, he returned to the Father AFTER he had done the Father's will.

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. (Luk 22:42)
 

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Good thing God communicates to us with the intention of letting us understand; so if He says He is one then the one must be the 'one' that we understand.
Why would we completely know while we are yet human and God is Spirit? We will know when we are there with Him!

But! Jesus does want us to know that we within our humanity, carry the same Holy Spirit that He is and was in His human form. Not all the Godhead but the measure we can contain.

I see now the scripture declares that Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of Father. Yet, He too has presence. I didn't see this at the beginning of this thread.
 

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Till all was accomplished. Job done! Then, he returned to the Father AFTER he had done the Father's will.

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. (Luk 22:42)
I believe that when Jesus told Mary not to touch Him, He had not gone into heaven to administer His blood upon the altar before Father. That He first did this, then appeared to others.

Can't yet prove it was this way, but we know from writings that His blood is there now speaking over all the earth.
 

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Post 256 was supposed to be an answer to post 230.
 

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No ,the Holy Spirit is not "the spirit of Jesus"
Well yes, He is. Also the Spirit of Father.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It's good to be flexible in our understanding.

First I thought too- Spirit of Jesus

I'd say now -different functions? of both in one Holy Spirit.

Possibly we cannot fully comprehend.
 

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The second scripture was supposed to be..

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

I must be tired.