The Impeccability of Our Lord Jesus Christ

[Pilgrimshope]

even tho the text says this is after 40 days, was a 40 day fast commanded?

in the law there are feast days - not fastings, with the possible exception of one day - the day of atonement - in which it commands the people to 'afflict their souls' ((Leviticus 16:29-31))
tradition calls this an idiom for fasting, but there is a perfectly good Hebrew word that literally means fasting, which God conspicuously chose not to use there.

i am reminded of Proverb 14:13, “even in laughter the heart may ache" and i think, even in feasting there may be affliction.

“even tho the text says this is after 40 days, was a 40 day fast commanded?”

everything jesus did was project beforehand his fasting of fourty days was to fulfill what Moses said about the prophet raised up later to speak a gods words of life if he had t completed his fast ot wouldn’t have fulfilled Prophecy

The point I was making is simple including his fast this was jesus life in the flesh

“And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything jesus did in the gospel was commanded by God and anything he would have failed to complete would have been a disobedience to God.

temptation is when Satan tries to get someone to disbelieve Gods word so they won’t obey it

the suggestion by the tempter to someone that’s designed to take them from Gods word

“And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You just read about Jesus being tempted and rejecting the temptation sticking with Gods word

“Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, and saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.”( it would have been a sin to do that “testing” God based on the devils test )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you just read about Jesus being tempted by the tempter , a second time it’s sinful thinking to jump off a tower to prove God will save you but of course Jesus overcame

“Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; and saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you just read of Jesus being tempted a third time by the lusts of the world and of course Jesus overcame when his faith was tested by the devil or in o her words when he was tempted by the tempter Jesus never sinned

If you read the gospel you’ll notice many times he was tempted in many ways and finally will see his greatest temptation

See His purpose and the ultimate command to him was ultimately to suffer and die on a cross in agonizing pain for everyone’s sin even though he never sinned

awe can see the man part of Jesus struggling mightily with this in the garden before his arrest one would even see Jesus conflicted as the moment approached but again like always Jesus bekng touched with it all overcame it all

“saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:42-44‬

thisbwant kike a programmed robot that didn’t have emotions and feelings of a man you can see the conflict of how tough it was for him to complete his mission even though it wasn’t easy and it was a struggle Jesus did it for us he overcame the world for us

“but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus dying in the cross was also a “ test” of his faith like any temptation is for anyone when tempted we stick with faith

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Did everyone notice that Pilgrimshope failed to enlarge and embolden the most critical phrase -- YET WITHOUT SIN ? And that is the key. It means that Christ did not have the sin nature which would respond to any temptation. That is why Hebrews also says that Christ was SEPARATE FROM SINNERS. So Pligrimshope has "another Jesus" who had to "struggle" with sin because He was on the brink of being tempted to sin. Christians should flatly reject such nonsensical ideas. Imagine God trying to "struggle" with sin!

To be "touched with the feelings of our infirmities" means to understand that humans have to struggle with sinful temptations and may succumb to them because the flesh is weak. But this struggle certainly did not apply to Christ.

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did you notice it says Jesus was tempted in all points like we are , and yet was without sin ?

“But this struggle certainly did not apply to Christ.”

a yeah Jesus had it easy like a robot

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”

But I suppose the Bible has it wrong and Jesus was never tempted because a couple of you agree he wasn’t

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

“I find it odd that people use the word "semantics" as if it is a dirty word that usually means word trickery or word games.”

well yeah that’s what it is when you read a scripture that says something plain and then you reject it and explain another statement that’s contrary

aid your interpretation means you can’t accept what is plain it’s an issue in you not with the scripture

“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

was Jesus led into the wilderness in order to be tempted of the devil or not ? It doesn’t take any rewording lol it takes the ability to understand “ wow I don’t already understand everything , I could still learn a new thing from the Bible if don’t reject it “

You guys are missing just basic things lain statements because you invent all the semantics to avoid the plain things meant to learn

“And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. ( this is the point that he is tempted because his flesh is craving food but hes fasting , this is the temptation to break his fast ) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus didn’t really feel hungry though so he wasn’t tempted with the thought of food lol ?

if Jesus broke his fast it would have been a disobedience to God , he was very hungry Satan exploited that to tempt him

Its just basic understanding I’m not sure how anyone could ever come to the conclusion Jesus couldn’t be tempted when the Bible repeatedly tells us he was and he never sinned and explains the whys of it as well

But honestly it doesn’t impact me at all what you choose to believe , it’s like arguing over w basic fundamental point that isn’t ambiguous or mysterious it’s plain for anyone willing to hear it

was Jesus tempted ? Yeah the Bible says alot about it actually and explains why he was tempted and how that benefits us in having a high oreoct who can relate to what it’s like feeling the pull of temptation and can strengthen us to overcome it like he did

1. Don't go by the dictionary meanings of words; use a good Bible dictionary for biblical meanings, because the former are people's common usage, not God's meanings.
2. To be tempted is not to sin. Jesus was tempted as a fully human Person, but as a fully-divine Person, he rejected the temptations to sin.
3. Get a good Bible dictionary to figure out the answer to your question.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

even tho the text says this is after 40 days, was a 40 day fast commanded?

in the law there are feast days - not fastings, with the possible exception of one day - the day of atonement - in which it commands the people to 'afflict their souls' ((Leviticus 16:29-31))
tradition calls this an idiom for fasting, but there is a perfectly good Hebrew word that literally means fasting, which God conspicuously chose not to use there.

i am reminded of Proverb 14:13, “even in laughter the heart may ache" and i think, even in feasting there may be affliction.

yeah regarding Jesus fast though look back to Moses pattern on the Mount

 

[Pilgrimshope]

1. Don't go by the dictionary meanings of words; use a good Bible dictionary for biblical meanings, because the former are people's common usage, not God's meanings.
2. To be tempted is not to sin. Jesus was tempted as a fully human Person, but as a fully-divine Person, he rejected the temptations to sin.
3. Get a good Bible dictionary to figure out the answer to your question.

“To be tempted is not to sin. Jesus was tempted as a fully human Person, but as a fully-divine Person, he rejected the temptations to sin.”

yeah that’s exactly what I have been saying Jesus was tempted just like we are and still didn’t sin ever. Pretty basic not sure I need a dictionary I have several English Hebrew and Greek

 

[maxwel]

If Jesus was not capable of sin, then the temptation in the desert was a sham. Arguing that the word should be translated "tested" is playing with semantics. If He could not fail the test, the test was meaningless.

I hold that Jesus was indeed capable of sin in His human nature. That He did not sin is the victory; He overcame sin because He did not submit to it.

This in no way implies that He inherited a sin nature from Adam; rather, He likely had the nature that Adam had prior to the fall.

Hey Dino,
I always appreciate your posts, and I know you're a faithful and orthodox believer.

I just want to point out an important thing to consider.

This topic delves into one of the greatest mysteries in the universe.
We might want to rethink claims about "playing with semantics" in the face of such a semantically complex topic... this whole topic is, quite literally, a very sophisticated discussion of semantics.
There is nothing uncomplicated here.
Christ had two entire, separate natures.
This is one of the great mysteries of the universe.

The 2 natures of Christ (and thus the whole nature of his sinlessness) is called a mystery:
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
- So any deep discussion of this, will by definition delve into things hard to be understood, and will therefore require some real care in semantics.
- The whole concept of Christ having two natures, well that was so semantically complex, that entire new words had to be fashioned just to articulate it carefully. It's so complicated, and so different from anything humans understand, they had to invent new words to talk about it.

CONCLUSION:
A.) This whole discussion is, quite literally, a very careful parsing of semantics... and it has always been.
B.) As long as we agree Christ was sinless, then we are all adhering to orthodox beliefs, and we are all solidly within the faith.
C.) But the whole discussion of whether or not Christ was even capable of sin... that is to call for a really intricate parsing of scripture, language, semantics, logic... it is, definitionally, a deep dive into semantics.


God Bless.

.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

in what way do you mean Jesus was tempted ?.
are you saying his flesh was tempted to sin just like any ordinary man

I’m saying that Jesus daces everything a man can face and never sinned during his time in the flesh as a man and in sayong th e Bible explains that very clearly that it was necassary to save sinners that a man lives a sinless life later it down for those sinners and became thier high priest and intercessor

what I’m saying anyone can find wi th a brief study of the book of Hebrews
Youll find things like this

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;

but was in all points tempted like as we are,

yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying I simply agree with that , Jesus was tempted at all points we are yet he never sinned.

I’m saying because that’s true he helps us when we are tempted

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And what I’m not willing to do is go in a huge circle explaining “ Jesus was never tempted that’s heresy “ I would always agree with what scripture says

now am I saying , have I ever said that Jesus somehow did something sinful ? Not in any way ever have I said or thought that

Jesus is our hero he is above us from eternity to eternity , the glory of the gospel is that he saw we were all
Lost and so he jumped into the big mess we caused with us and made a way out for us he came to be with us like us nd fornus an advocate he became a man and returned after to his glory as God

 

[Happy_hobnob]

I’m saying that Jesus daces everything a man can face and never sinned during his time in the flesh as a man and in sayong th e Bible explains that very clearly that it was necassary to save sinners that a man lives a sinless life later it down for those sinners and became thier high priest and intercessor

what I’m saying anyone can find wi th a brief study of the book of Hebrews
Youll find things like this

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;

but was in all points tempted like as we are,

yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying I simply agree with that , Jesus was tempted at all points we are yet he never sinned.

I’m saying because that’s true he helps us when we are tempted

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And what I’m not willing to do is go in a huge circle explaining “ Jesus was never tempted that’s heresy “ I would always agree with what scripture says

now am I saying , have I ever said that Jesus somehow did something sinful ? Not in any way ever have I said or thought that

Jesus is our hero he is above us from eternity to eternity , the glory of the gospel is that he saw we were all
Lost and so he jumped into the big mess we caused with us and made a way out for us he came to be with us like us nd fornus an advocate he became a man and returned after to his glory as God

can I ask was he himself tempted or was he tempted by somebody else, there is a clear distinction, between the two.

when you say he was tempted by all points have you come to a conclusion this must mean what I think it does. are you equating that to his flesh was tempting him to sin on all points or an outside source was tempting him to sin on all points.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

can I ask was he himself tempted or was he tempted by somebody else, there is a clear distinction, between the two.

when you say he was tempted by all points have you come to a conclusion this must mean what I think it does. are you equating that to his flesh was tempting him to sin on all points or an outside source was tempting him to sin on all points.

“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He was tempted by the tempter of men the devil like it plainly says same who tempted eve and Adam and same who tempts us and same who Jesus can teach us to overcome

anything else you want to add to what I said isn’t my issue Jesus was tempted like we are that’s what I’ve said it wasn’t a different form of temptation it was temptation a test of Jesus faith that’s what temptation is when we face it also a test of our faith in God and what God said

I’m not sure some of you understand what temptation is you seem to think it’s evil to be tempted but it’s just part of this world if you live here you’ll face temptation what makes us unholy is when we reject Gods word and obey the temptation

Jesus never did that. Do you suppose though that Jesus went through life and had no homan emotions to tempt ? No sensation of the flesh to tempt ? No fear ? Jesus lived his life like this

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for man to be worthy he has to go through what man goes through and never sin never give into it , Jesus did that for us and because he did that for us when we’re tempted he’s able to strengthen us at all those points of human weakness

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If he wasn’t tempted like we are he couldn’t help us when we’re tempted he went through it and never sinned like we all have done that’s what makes him a high priest that’s able to save our souls

 

[Pilgrimshope]

can I ask was he himself tempted or was he tempted by somebody else, there is a clear distinction, between the two.

when you say he was tempted by all points have you come to a conclusion this must mean what I think it does. are you equating that to his flesh was tempting him to sin on all points or an outside source was tempting him to sin on all points.

Do you see what just this scripture is saying ?

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:15‬ ‭

just this part first

“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are,”

if I was to ask you specifically “. Brother, what does just this sentence say in your words ? What can we learn from what it says just right there ?

would you agree that what that says is something like this “ our high priest can be touched by the same feelings we can, he was tempted just like we are tempted “

now of course i used my own thoughts there but would you agree that’s basically what it’s saying that Jesus isn’t someone who can’t feel the feeling of temptation , but he felt it and yet he never sinned ?

ado you see my point in seperating the verse from the last point ? “Yet without sin “

Its saying he’s not above the feeling of infirmity( weakness in the flesh ) we feel but he took on that feeling of human weakness and perfected it by never sinning , Jesus is the only man to ever do this from Adam to now only Jesus was able to be tempted just the same way any man is tempted through that infirmity of flesh and blood , and yet Jesus obeyed Gods Will perfectly in every way even laying down his perfect life for those who sinned in thier lives Jesus at no time even when struggling at gethsemne ever did Jesus stray from Gods Will for his life on earth even to agonizing death , he is the one

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course he is himself God they are one but man needed another man to intercede between God and man ( like Moses did on Sinai )so he became our mediator and high priest ,savior , friend ,brother , companion through trial and tribulation suffering shame every sorrow we know every temptation we face Jesus knows he is there with us he lives our life from our perspective made himself subject to his perfect will as a man the son of God our Lord.

But as sure as Jesus is God , the gospel is true record of when God became fully a man and faced everything we sinners face even temptations ugly intentions and fancy presentations the difference in us is Jesus never sinned when he lived as one of us fully a man in the days of his flesh , and fully God before and after the days of his flesh and always forever he who was is and will be but now we have an intercessor a man who can save us through his sacrifice and wisdom

 

[Happy_hobnob]

“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He was tempted by the tempter of men the devil like it plainly says same who tempted eve and Adam and same who tempts us and same who Jesus can teach us to overcome

anything else you want to add to what I said isn’t my issue Jesus was tempted like we are that’s what I’ve said it wasn’t a different form of temptation it was temptation a test of Jesus faith that’s what temptation is when we face it also a test of our faith in God and what God said

I’m not sure some of you understand what temptation is you seem to think it’s evil to be tempted but it’s just part of this world if you live here you’ll face temptation what makes us unholy is when we reject Gods word and obey the temptation

Jesus never did that. Do you suppose though that Jesus went through life and had no homan emotions to tempt ? No sensation of the flesh to tempt ? No fear ? Jesus lived his life like this

“Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for man to be worthy he has to go through what man goes through and never sin never give into it , Jesus did that for us and because he did that for us when we’re tempted he’s able to strengthen us at all those points of human weakness

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If he wasn’t tempted like we are he couldn’t help us when we’re tempted he went through it and never sinned like we all have done that’s what makes him a high priest that’s able to save our souls.

To be tempted into sin by a tempter is evil and a sin.. to be on the recieving end of temptation is not, to be tempted your self is a danger and can sometimes lead to lust vanity greed all these things for Jesus said if you have looked upon a women with lust you have sinned in the heart.

to be overcome by temptation to do one sin is a weekness, that open the door to more sin.
the Bible makes one reference to Jesus being tempted, which has been equated in Hebrews to being tempted on all points, so what can we draw from that. well was he tempted to commit adulry ? or was tempted to commit murder, or was he tempted to to steal, No none of these things, how do we find an equation for all points ?, can we say sin is sin no matter what the sin is it's all the same.
can we say Satan tempted Jesus 2 fall from grace which leads to all sin, can we say Satan tempted Jesus to be lead astray which leads to all sin. can we say Satan tempted Jesus to leave god, which leads to all sin, or all points of sin,

can we conclude that Jesus been tempted on all points must mean Jesus was tempted on all sins. as the scripture says he was tempted on all points not all things. so I think you must conclude that to fall for temptation to leave god is to be tempted on all points,

the temptation from Satan to Jesus was to leave God. therefore all points of your virtues your values your vows your obedience, your faith is gone if you decide to leave God and follow Satan.

but why are you reacting as if I am concluding something bad about you. I am asking you to explain that is all. peace to you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To be tempted into sin by a tempter is evil and a sin.. to be on the recieving end of temptation is not, to be tempted your self is a danger and can sometimes lead to lust vanity greed all these things for Jesus said if you have looked upon a women with lust you have sinned in the heart.

to be overcome by temptation to do one sin is a weekness, that open the door to more sin.
the Bible makes one reference to Jesus being tempted, which has been equated in Hebrews to being tempted on all points, so what can we draw from that. well was he tempted to commit adulry ? or was tempted to commit murder, or was he tempted to to steal, No none of these things, how do we find an equation for all points ?, can we say sin is sin no matter what the sin is it's all the same.
can we say Satan tempted Jesus 2 fall from grace which leads to all sin, can we say Satan tempted Jesus to be lead astray which leads to all sin. can we say Satan tempted Jesus to leave god, which leads to all sin, or all points of sin,

can we conclude that Jesus been tempted on all points must mean Jesus was tempted on all sins. as the scripture says he was tempted on all points not all things. so I think you must conclude that to fall for temptation to leave god is to be tempted on all points,

the temptation from Satan to Jesus was to leave God. therefore all points of your virtues your values your vows your obedience, your faith is gone if you decide to leave God and follow Satan.

but why are you reacting as if I am concluding something bad about you. I am asking you to explain that is all. peace to you

Temptation is when you know what God said like Adam and Eve did

and then you hear that other voice telling you “it’s not true listen to this other word instead “like the serpent did


Sin is when you deny what God said and follow the serpents idea and eat the fruit God said would kill you.

Its a deception of our mind that leads us into sin sin os when you act in the temptation offered to you rether than what God said to you

sort of if you stick with the truth of what God said you won’t eat the forbidden fruit , if you let someone tell you “that’s not true it’s alright to eat the fruit it’s good for you really everyone does it “

then your being tempted and if you eat the fruit you’ve sinned

cause and effect satan exploited man’s free Will on earth to destroy us and earth, he still destroys us with temptation because we never accept responsibility to believe and follow Jesus and overcome

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To be tempted into sin by a tempter is evil and a sin.. to be on the recieving end of temptation is not, to be tempted your self is a danger and can sometimes lead to lust vanity greed all these things for Jesus said if you have looked upon a women with lust you have sinned in the heart.

to be overcome by temptation to do one sin is a weekness, that open the door to more sin.
the Bible makes one reference to Jesus being tempted, which has been equated in Hebrews to being tempted on all points, so what can we draw from that. well was he tempted to commit adulry ? or was tempted to commit murder, or was he tempted to to steal, No none of these things, how do we find an equation for all points ?, can we say sin is sin no matter what the sin is it's all the same.
can we say Satan tempted Jesus 2 fall from grace which leads to all sin, can we say Satan tempted Jesus to be lead astray which leads to all sin. can we say Satan tempted Jesus to leave god, which leads to all sin, or all points of sin,

can we conclude that Jesus been tempted on all points must mean Jesus was tempted on all sins. as the scripture says he was tempted on all points not all things. so I think you must conclude that to fall for temptation to leave god is to be tempted on all points,

the temptation from Satan to Jesus was to leave God. therefore all points of your virtues your values your vows your obedience, your faith is gone if you decide to leave God and follow Satan.

but why are you reacting as if I am concluding something bad about you. I am asking you to explain that is all. peace to you

“To be tempted into sin by a tempter is evil and a sin.”

Why do you keep adding that part in lol ? Is there some form of temptation we can go ahead and do that isn’t “a sin ?”

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Temptation is when you know what God said like Adam and Eve did

and then you hear that other voice telling you “it’s not true listen to this other word instead “like the serpent did


Sin is when you deny what God said and follow the serpents idea and eat the fruit God said would kill you.

Its a deception of our mind that leads us into sin sin os when you act in the temptation offered to you rether than what God said to you

sort of if you stick with the truth of what God said you won’t eat the forbidden fruit , if you let someone tell you “that’s not true it’s alright to eat the fruit it’s good for you really everyone does it “

then your being tempted and if you eat the fruit you’ve sinned

cause and effect satan exploited man’s free Will on earth to destroy us and earth, he still destroys us with temptation because we never accept responsibility to believe and follow Jesus and overcome

Thanks for the lesson and the milk. of course all this is true. there is nothing here that I would disagree on, nice chatting to you in this manner, I'm discerning for my family and I want to create good memories, I spend my spare time creating good memories, and I'm always looking for a way to, I'm currently at odds ends with my Garden in order to create some tranquility for my family, so I will chat to you some more, but let's have a good memory for now. I live by a set of morals, that if I can't create a good memory, or if something will lead to a bad memory no matter what it is I stay well away, I've had to many bad memories. I don't want any more.

 

[Webers.Home]

.
● Heb 4:15 . . For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize
with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way,
just as we are-- yet was without sin.

He's familiar with:

Grief
Sorrow
Loss
Hunger
Thirst
Fatigue
Rejection
Loneliness
Isolation
Ridicule
Disrespect
Dread
Stalkers
Poverty
Injustice
Humiliation
Etc

I was nervous about the first day of chemo therapy, but the moment I
walked into the infusion area and took note of the people who were there
for the same reason as I, a strange calm came over me, and a strong feeling
of acceptance like I've never felt anywhere else. It was an instant bond due
to a group of total strangers who not only knew what each was going thru,
but were familiar with the feelings, the fears, and the anxieties associated
with the one thing we all had in common.

Now, I don't know for sure whether Jesus ever contracted a lethal disease
but I do know for sure he's walked in the shadow of death. I'm somewhere
now where he's been before.

● Heb 4:16 . . Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so
that we may receive compassion and find graciousness to help us in our time
of need.
_

 

[Happy_hobnob]

“To be tempted into sin by a tempter is evil and a sin.”

Why do you keep adding that part in lol ? Is there some form of temptation we can go ahead and do that isn’t “a sin ?”

I could ask you the same. But why did i quote this, well I was speaking the word. Is that not what you do. But your question has confused me some what

 

[Happy_hobnob]

.
● Heb 4:15 . . For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize
with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way,
just as we are-- yet was without sin.

He's familiar with:

Grief
Sorrow
Loss
Hunger
Thirst
Fatigue
Rejection
Loneliness
Isolation
Ridicule
Disrespect
Dread
Stalkers
Poverty
Injustice
Humiliation
Etc

I was nervous about the first day of chemo therapy, but the moment I
walked into the infusion area and took note of the people who were there
for the same reason as I, a strange calm came over me, and a strong feeling
of acceptance like I've never felt anywhere else. It was an instant bond due
to a group of total strangers who not only knew what each was going thru,
but were familiar with the feelings, the fears, and the anxieties associated
with the one thing we all had in common.

Now, I don't know for sure whether Jesus ever contracted a lethal disease
but I do know for sure he's walked in the shadow of death. I'm somewhere
now where he's been before.

● Heb 4:16 . . Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so
that we may receive compassion and find graciousness to help us in our time
of need.
_

Once again there is only one insertion of how Jesus was tempted. And many other translations of what that one insertion should mean, and one insertion that says Jesus was tempted, full stop missing out the rest of your translation which you could quote that translation if you want or look it up. Or another translation that say Jesus was tempted in every point, there all refering to how he was tempted in the wilderness, which I have just gave what I feal to a very good account on. But it's not wise to understand a scripture one way when other translations suggest something else about the same insertion. You have to do a full study as not everything is explained in full detail in verses. The Bible tells us only the disciples of Jesus had everything explained in detail, not the Hebrews.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thanks for the lesson and the milk. of course all this is true. there is nothing here that I would disagree on, nice chatting to you in this manner, I'm discerning for my family and I want to create good memories, I spend my spare time creating good memories, and I'm always looking for a way to, I'm currently at odds ends with my Garden in order to create some tranquility for my family, so I will chat to you some more, but let's have a good memory for now. I live by a set of morals, that if I can't create a good memory, or if something will lead to a bad memory no matter what it is I stay well away, I've had to many bad memories. I don't want any more.

Yes brother why are you speaking of bad memories this forum is a place meant to discuss the Bible we shouldn’t take offense and have any grudges or bad feelings we’re just discussing the Bible hopefully to both understand it a little better by listening and then answering by what we know

I think we lost sight this place is t a teaching forum wheras one person teaches another , but it’s a discussion forum where people state tbier understandings and beliefs to be considered within a discussion

If it we’re a teaching forum I would t myself be qualified to be here , but others might and others also wouldn’t like myself

i sort of test this place like a public forum where we’re just discussing different ideas of the Bible trying to reconcile on different points so y offense honestly doesn’t really occur to me on a forum like this even if I disagree with someone I think it’s alright because this isn’t like a seminary or anything but a place for people to discuss tbier thoughts about the Bible

because I’m not a teacher it is t offensive to me of someone disagrees but in a discussion each sonde does try to express their case also there’s no intention of offense or a bad Memory intended or taken as far as I see it and look forward to discussion anytime with you , even if we have two points of view

a forum like this is pretty beneficial when we do disagree if we’re open to reconciliation and it’s more about what the Bible says than what we say

God bless brother (even when we don’t see eye to eye on wording or something lol no offense either way is my position )

 

[Magenta]

Did everyone notice that Pilgrimshope failed to enlarge and embolden the most critical phrase -- YET WITHOUT SIN ? And that is the key.
It means that Christ did not have the sin nature which would respond to any temptation. That is why Hebrews also says that Christ was SEPARATE FROM SINNERS. So Pligrimshope has "another Jesus" who had to "struggle" with sin because He was on the brink of being tempted to sin. Christians should flatly reject such nonsensical ideas. Imagine God trying to "struggle" with sin!

To be "touched with the feelings of our infirmities" means to understand that humans have to struggle with sinful temptations and may succumb to them because the flesh is weak. But this struggle certainly did not apply to Christ.

You are changing what Scripture actually says as if the writer did not
know better, or the difference between actual sin and sin nature .

In your view, is Scripture inerrant and inspired?

 

[Happy_hobnob]

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted, This is written in Mathew this a different temptation, to being tempted your self, the Bible often mentions testing, which some equate to temptation. So if we draw a conclusion that to pass every test is also to pass every temptation. Then we would be saying if you don't pass a test you fall for temptation. or we could say if Jesus never performed his duties as a high priest correctly, then he would have been failing a test. Or we could equate that many of his many duties he conducted in the right way, where failed by others so now we should test people to see see if there correct. Translations are often thought of as a test or a works that one must pass in order to show themself approved but in the eyes of interpretations Jesus over come every situation that man would interpretation as a test or temptation. Or some king of works. As the Jews where still under the law. So there interpretations where often spoke of as a test or equating to testing and temptation as the same thing