The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

[ProphetExcalibur]

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What I am aware of Zone is that the Jews as a Nation rejected Jesus Christ and the offer of the Kingdom and that is what postponed and put off the Kingdom for a later time. That's why there is a Gap. And it is called the mystery of the Church. The One Body. Which consists of both Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles (Gal. 3:28 &Col. 3:11).


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This is what you've been taught but there is no gap!
The Kingdom has never been postponed, or put off.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

You are missing the whole point of James, 1 John, Acts, Hebrews, and ultimately you then miss the point of Revelation. The Bible teaches salvation by faith alone, through all 'dispensations'. Works are the maturity of the believer, not the salvation of the believer. There is no possible argument against this other than the denial of our current salvation through Christ in the 'Church Age'. If salvation becomes by works+faith in the trib, then it means than the shed blood of Christ was not enough. Are you claiming the death and resurrection of Christ to be so inadequate and disappointing as to not cover the sins of the the tribulation martyrs and saints?!

The Shed blood of Jesus Christ is enough.


But what you and Zone and others fail to understand, is that God dispenses Salvation differently within each dispensation. The only thing that can redeem all fallen makind is the precious shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission (Heb. 9:22).


Again, what you need to understand though, a person in the time of Jacob's trouble cannot take the mark of the beast, because if he does, he damns his own soul. And there is no chance for him to be saved. That is why there is both faith AND works for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble. There will be self effort on the part of every individual in the time of Jacob's trouble who wants to get saved. Why will it involve there effort? Because they must endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast. That's why. Read Revelation 14.

Read Hebrews or the sermon of Stephen, and you will see that ALL the saints were saved by faith alone.
The promise of Christ was sufficient for the OT, the sacrifice of Chris is sufficient for the NT, and will continue to be sufficient for all eternity (including the Trib).

The Sacrifice of Christ is indeed sufficient. Amen.


Again LT, what you continue to ignore though is the fact that the Gospel that is preached during the time of Jacob's trouble will be very different from the Gospel which is preached today in the Church Age.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

This is what you've been taught but there is no gap!
The Kingdom has never been postponed, or put off.

Sure there is a Gap. It's the gap between the end of the 69th week and the 70th week. It's the mystery of the One Body. But once the Rapture of the body of Christ happens, we (the church) will be removed from off of the earth and then the Church Age ends, and the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week) will begin sometime after.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Acts 20
23except that the Holy Spirit solemnly testifies to me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions await me. 24"But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. 25"And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face.


throw out your footnotes "bible"; find a new church....get on your knees, repent of false teaching, and beg for truth.

Zone, what are you talking about??

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Sure there is a Gap. It's the gap between the end of the 69th week and the 70th week. It's the mystery of the One Body. But once the Rapture of the body of Christ happens, we (the church) will be removed from off of the earth and then the Church Age ends, and the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week) will begin sometime after.

There is no gap, Chosen! You've been taught wrong, Daniel's 70th wk has been fulfilled, in the same prophetic timeline of Jesus and the early Church. The modern Church is New Covenant Israel and will not be removed; just like Old Covenant Israel was the Church, or Light in the wilderness before her light was snuffed out. The faithful of Old Covenant Israel was never removed, Old Covenant Israel is Mt Zion! It is the hill that the Church today sets upon as a Light to all the world, including the New Jewish State of Israel.

There are no more righteous lines of these Jews, Jesus is the only righteous line, therefore there is no gap!
The Jews today are no more the chosen people of God, they are the descendants of those unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel who were cast out of the Kingdom. The Kingdom was never postponed, but is carried on daily by the New Covenant Israel. The New Covenant in Christ is not some mystery that is unknown to us. God Bless

 

[ChosenbyHim]

So then it is just semantics then just as asking for more forgiveness from God, when there is no more sacrifice or shedding of blood, but we sin again and we blatantly ask God to forgive us over and over again, using 1 John 1:9 as our bar of soap to get cleansed all over again. When there is no where it says after receiving the forgiveness provided by God at the cross to ask for any further forgiveness after the cross of Christ
Is that true or are we to, if we sin to go to God the Father and ask for Christ to come back and shed some more blood for more forgiveness. That sacrifice was not perfect enough.

The Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross of Calvary was and is perfect. The blood of Jesus Christ took away all of our sins (past, present, and future) when we trusted Christ Jesus for our salvation.


The purpose of confessing your sins to God the Father is to stay in good fellowship with the Father while on the Earth.


We are not to use grace as a license to sin. We are to walk in newness of life and to live holy lives. Pleasing and acceptable before God.


But knowing that we still have the old man to deal with, our old fleshly nature, we will sooner or later come short of the glory of God and will sin. And when we do come short of the glory of God and when we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous (1 John 2:1-2).


Read Romans 7, and you will see that even Paul the apostle still had trouble with and in his flesh after he was saved.

Think God will come back to shed more blood for more sins, that it did not take away the sin issue the first time.
Are we Forgiven 100% by Christ at the death of Christ at the cross or not? If you want to rightly divide the word of truth let's divide it

We are forgiven 100% when we trust Jesus Christ as our Personal Lord and Saviour.


Jesus Christ gave Himself as the ultimate sacrifice and offering for sin once and for all. And the one sacrfice and offering which Jesus Christ gave for our sins on the Cross of Calvary was and is perfect to take away our sins. And when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, our sins were and are taken away forever. (See Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:10, 12-14).


Again Homwardbound, what you still need to understand is that we are to still judge ourselves daily, and to continue to purge sin out of our lives daily. And we need to confess and forsake our sins, that way we can maintain good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while living on this Earth.


[SUP]28 [/SUP]But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. - 1 Corinthians 11:28-33 (King James Bible)




2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. - 1 John 2:1-6 (King James Bible)



[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.- 1 John 1:6-10 (King James Bible)

 

[ChosenbyHim]

There is no gap, Chosen! You've been taught wrong, Daniel's 70th wk has been fulfilled, in the same prophetic timeline of Jesus and the early Church. The modern Church is New Covenant Israel and will not be removed; just like Old Covenant Israel was the Church, or Light in the wilderness before her light was snuffed out. The faithful of Old Covenant Israel was never removed, Old Covenant Israel is Mt Zion! It is the hill that the Church today sets upon as a Light to all the world, including the New Jewish State of Israel.

Yes there is a gap. Excalibur, Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled. Daniel's 70th week will begin sometime after the rapture. And no, the church is NOT new covenant Israel. The church did not replace Israel. God still has a plan and a future for Israel.

There are no more righteous lines of these Jews, Jesus is the only righteous line, therefore there is no gap!
The Jews today are no more the chosen people of God, they are the descendants of those unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel who were cast out of the Kingdom. The Kingdom was never postponed, but is carried on daily by the New Covenant Israel. The New Covenant in Christ is not some mystery that is unknown to us. God Bless

The Jews are God's physical people. And yes, the Kingdom has been postponed and it has been put off. The Millennial Kingdom will come shortly after the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[zone]

Zone, what are you talking about??

never mind.

 

[Isdaniel]

Yes there is a gap. Excalibur, Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled. Daniel's 70th week will begin sometime after the rapture. And no, the church is NOT new covenant Israel. The church did not replace Israel. God still has a plan and a future for Israel.






The Jews are God's physical people. And yes, the Kingdom has been postponed and it has been put off. The Millennial Kingdom will come shortly after the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.

plese shew where the 70 week has not been fulfilled thanks

 

[ChosenbyHim]

plese shew where the 70 week has not been fulfilled thanks

Daniel 9:24-27 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


In Daniel 9:27, the antichrist confirms the covenant with many for one week. That's the 70th week of Daniel's Prophecy.

The antichrist, son of perdition, man of sin has not arrived yet. And he has not confirmed the covenant yet either. Therefore Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

There is not much left that I can say to you Chosen, concerning prophetic matters. You and a large part of the Church has been sold a bill of goods that are no good; concerning the false theology of Dispensationalism.

The Ancient Prophets of Israel painted a gloomy picture of the great and terrible Day of the Lord, [ Just try to hold your pistols in your holster just for a second! ] This day was the destruction of the Temple, The great City Jerusalem, and the destruction of the Institution of the Government of God through the High Priests. This way of life was birthed into them, and because of Her Adultery God was going to divorce her and have her Stoned to death, and she (the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel) would no longer be His Chosen People. This is what the Prophets wailed about as they prophesied to Israel! It had nothing to do with you and me!

What they prophesied about was the end of their 7 day covenant creation world in Adam; not the end of the Cosmos. This is why Jesus was called the 2nd Adam and the New Creation!
Daniel's 70th week was a sign to those from 30ad to 70ad, that this time was upon them.
The only gap was between 30ad to 70ad.

After Jesus, there was no more righteous lines of the Jews, bringing forth first born males unto the Resurrection of the dead; your gap theory is wrong. You cannot just say there is a gap and have no Scripture to back it up.

Do you understand the teaching of bringing forth a first born unto the resurrection of the dead? This was Old covenant Israel's promise to everlasting life with God. All of the faithful of Old Covenant Israel are gone and with Christ; they were sealed with Christ Jesus when He died and went to Sheol, into 'Abraham's Bosom'. For there to be a gap of 1500, 2000, or 10,000 years there would have to be a righteous line of Jews other than Christ Jesus; if God was going to establish again the system of sacrificing animals and blood.

Jesus was the First Born of God; He said, that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets!
There is nothing left for Jew or Gentile to fulfill.
many blessings

 

[homwardbound]

The Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross of Calvary was and is perfect. The blood of Jesus Christ took away all of our sins (past, present, and future) when we trusted Christ Jesus for our salvation.


The purpose of confessing your sins to God the Father is to stay in good fellowship with the Father while on the Earth.


We are not to use grace as a license to sin. We are to walk in newness of life and to live holy lives. Pleasing and acceptable before God.


But knowing that we still have the old man to deal with, our old fleshly nature, we will sooner or later come short of the glory of God and will sin. And when we do come short of the glory of God and when we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous (1 John 2:1-2).


Read Romans 7, and you will see that even Paul the apostle still had trouble with and in his flesh after he was saved.





We are forgiven 100% when we trust Jesus Christ as our Personal Lord and Saviour.


Jesus Christ gave Himself as the ultimate sacrifice and offering for sin once and for all. And the one sacrfice and offering which Jesus Christ gave for our sins on the Cross of Calvary was and is perfect to take away our sins. And when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, our sins were and are taken away forever. (See Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:10, 12-14).


Again Homwardbound, what you still need to understand is that we are to still judge ourselves daily, and to continue to purge sin out of our lives daily. And we need to confess and forsake our sins, that way we can maintain good fellowship with our Heavenly Father while living on this Earth.


[SUP]28 [/SUP]But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. - 1 Corinthians 11:28-33 (King James Bible)




2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. - 1 John 2:1-6 (King James Bible)



[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: [SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.- 1 John 1:6-10 (King James Bible)

It is okay, you just keep working in the energy of your own flesh, and if you ask for more forgiveness without shedding of blood then you are in essence not believing what you said that it is finished through the shed blood of Christ, calling God a liar, whether you realize this or not, flesh nature is that deceiving Brother.
I need to confess if and whenever I sin, but not for forgiveness, for how to walk in father's righteousness, never any of my own, because no flesh will ever please God the Father. Only one did and that is Christ's, and no one else can, because no one else is born of a Virgin besides Christ
Get it, praying so

 

[starfield]

Daniel 9:24-27 KJV
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


In Daniel 9:27, the antichrist confirms the covenant with many for one week. That's the 70th week of Daniel's Prophecy.

The antichrist, son of perdition, man of sin has not arrived yet. And he has not confirmed the covenant yet either. Therefore Daniel's 70th week has not been fulfilled.

Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled by Jesus, the Messiah, who caused the old covenant sacrificial system to cease and confirmed the new covenant (Mark 14:24).

 

[zone]

Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled by Jesus, the Messiah, who caused the old covenant sacrificial system to cease and confirmed the new covenant (Mark 14:24).

but since the dispensational system he is spewing came from satan, it's only reasonable it would attribute the work of Jesus to satan.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Jesus even "rightly divided the word".

Luke 4:16-20 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the LORD is upon me because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book and he gave it again to the minister and sat down. . . .This day is this scripture fulfilled in your eyes. . . Why did he close the book at that point? Because the rest of the verse belongs to another dispensation - the coming judgment - "an the day of vengeance of our God;" (Isaiah 61:1,2)

In between those two statements is the "Church" - that which was "hid in God" (Eph. 3:9); "the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" (Romans 16:25); even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and generations, but now is made manifest to his saints" (Col. 1:26) Even the prophets searched diligently what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified before hand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow (1 Peter 1:10,11) What length of time would elapse between "the sufferings and the glory"? That is what they inquired of and searched diligently for. . .but was "hid in God".

God dealt with Israel as a nation . . .He dealt with Gentiles as a nation. . . .Now he deals with each "individually". Each individual whether Jew or Gentile who believes becomes part of the body of Christ, the Church - those outside in unbelief are still Jew or Gentile - and that is how scripture is written - to the Jew first, then to the Gentile and then to the Church.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

There is not much left that I can say to you Chosen, concerning prophetic matters. You and a large part of the Church has been sold a bill of goods that are no good; concerning the false theology of Dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism is the Biblical System and format of Sound Bible Study.

The Ancient Prophets of Israel painted a gloomy picture of the great and terrible Day of the Lord, [ Just try to hold your pistols in your holster just for a second! ] This day was the destruction of the Temple, The great City Jerusalem, and the destruction of the Institution of the Government of God through the High Priests. This way of life was birthed into them, and because of Her Adultery God was going to divorce her and have her Stoned to death, and she (the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel) would no longer be His Chosen People. This is what the Prophets wailed about as they prophesied to Israel! It had nothing to do with you and me!

God still has a plan and a future for Israel. Read Romans 11.

What they prophesied about was the end of their 7 day covenant creation world in Adam; not the end of the Cosmos. This is why Jesus was called the 2nd Adam and the New Creation!
Daniel's 70th week was a sign to those from 30ad to 70ad, that this time was upon them.
The only gap was between 30ad to 70ad.

That is incorrect Excalibur. The Seventieth Week of Daniel's Prophecy has not happened yet. Compare Scripture with Scripture. Again, the man of sin has not shown up yet. The antichrist will confirm the covenant with the Jews to restore their temple sacrifices for one week (7 years), and in the middle of that time period, he will break the covenant, thus fulfilling Dan. 12:11 and 2 Thess. 2:3-4.

After Jesus, there was no more righteous lines of the Jews, bringing forth first born males unto the Resurrection of the dead; your gap theory is wrong. You cannot just say there is a gap and have no Scripture to back it up.

There is Scripture to show that the Church Age, the Mystery of the One Body is the Gap that we are now in. That's why its called the mystery. Read Romans 11:25.

Do you understand the teaching of bringing forth a first born unto the resurrection of the dead? This was Old covenant Israel's promise to everlasting life with God. All of the faithful of Old Covenant Israel are gone and with Christ; they were sealed with Christ Jesus when He died and went to Sheol, into 'Abraham's Bosom'. For there to be a gap of 1500, 2000, or 10,000 years there would have to be a righteous line of Jews other than Christ Jesus; if God was going to establish again the system of sacrificing animals and blood.

Jesus was the First Born of God; He said, that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets!
There is nothing left for Jew or Gentile to fulfill.
many blessings

There are still plenty of prophecies left to be fulfilled. Especially prophecies concerning the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and also the Millennial Kingdom

 

[ChosenbyHim]

It is okay, you just keep working in the energy of your own flesh, and if you ask for more forgiveness without shedding of blood then you are in essence not believing what you said that it is finished through the shed blood of Christ, calling God a liar, whether you realize this or not, flesh nature is that deceiving Brother.
I need to confess if and whenever I sin, but not for forgiveness, for how to walk in father's righteousness, never any of my own, because no flesh will ever please God the Father. Only one did and that is Christ's, and no one else can, because no one else is born of a Virgin besides Christ
Get it, praying so

So what are you saying Homwardbound? Are you saying that you do not sin anymore???


Because if that is what you are saying, well then you are a liar.


I already told you that when a Christian sins, they need to confess their sin to their Heavenly Father and forsake those sins. The purpose of self examination and confession of present sins is for the Christian, the born again child of God to stay in proper fellowship with their Heavenly Father on this Earth.



6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. - 1 John 1:6-10 (King James Bible)



2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:1-2 (King James Bible)

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled by Jesus, the Messiah, who caused the old covenant sacrificial system to cease and confirmed the new covenant (Mark 14:24).

No Starfield, Daniel 9:27 has not been fulfilled. Daniel's 70 weeks of Prophecy is a prophecy concerning Israel. Not the Church. The Church is not mentioned anywhere in that whole chapter. That prophecy was given to Daniel for his people (the Jews).


The "he" in Daniel 9:27 is the little horn of Daniel 7:8. It is the beast, the antichrist. And the convenant that the antichrist confirms with the Jews will be for one week (seven years).



27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.- Daniel 9:27 (King James Bible)


13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: 17 let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. - Matthew 24:13-22 (King James Bible)



3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (King James Bible)

 

[SarahM777]

We are to be Biblically sound. We are to love God and His holy word first. And then we are to love others.

Chosen if one is to be Biblically sound,then how is it that people take passages out of Revelation and give them DIFFERENT meanings then what is so clear by the OT prophets? How can you take the passages in Revelation and force to them to have a different meaning then what they had in the OT? IE

The prophets said this about Babylon

Jeremiah 51

23 How broken and shattered is the hammer of the whole earth! How desolate is Babylon among the nations!


Jeremiah 50
7 Babylon was a gold cup in the Lord’s hand; she made the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore they have now gone mad.

41 “How Sheshak will be captured, the boast of the whole earth seized! How desolate Babylon will be among the nations!

49 “Babylon must fall because of Israel’s slain, just as the slain in all the earth have fallen because of Babylon.

Habakkuk 1

6 I am raising up the Babylonians, that ruthless and impetuous people, who sweep across the whole earth to seize dwellings not their own.

Now when they said the whole earth did they mean North and South American,Asia,the Southern part of Africa and Australia or did it mean the whole earth from their viewpoint? And if it is NOT the entire globe in these passages then how can one force Revelation to mean the entire globe when that is NOT how it is used elsewhere in the Bible? Doesn't scripture explain scripture or not? And if so how do explain that the meaning of the whole earth has been CHANGED to a different definition?

 

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Jesus even "rightly divided the word".

Luke 4:16-20 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the LORD is upon me because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book and he gave it again to the minister and sat down. . . .This day is this scripture fulfilled in your eyes. . . Why did he close the book at that point? Because the rest of the verse belongs to another dispensation - the coming judgment - "an the day of vengeance of our God;" (Isaiah 61:1,2)

Luke 21
The Destruction of Jerusalem
21"Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; 22because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. 23"Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people....

He was talking about this:

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Luke 19
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”