ProphetExcalibur, I would also add that the dispensational futuristic interpretations are designed to create the idea of a second chance for a nation of neo-Pharisees masquerading as Israel. This is easily seen in their "rapture" interpretation of 1 Thess. 4:13-18. It would have us believe that Jesus, upon descending from heaven, immediately returns and descends again several years later---a third time! In between, of course, is their futurized 70th week, the second chance they are trying to create for their non-Christian "Israel."
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Selihah, these scriptures are not speaking of non-Israelitish Khazar Pharisees masquerading as Israel. Are you not aware of Israeli professor Shlomo Sands 2008 book, The Invention of the Jewish People; and Arthur koestler's, The Thirteenth Tribe? And how about the 2012 Johns Hopkins Jewish DNA study? All of these identify modern "Jews" as descended, not from ancient Israel, but the non-Israelitish Khazar tribes who converted to Phariseeism/Talmudism in the seventh and eighth centuries. Please, do your homework, read the epistle to the Hebrews, it does not identify first century Hebrew-Israelites as a people who rejected Jesus and the New Covenant.
I read what wrote again and I dont understand your arguement? It is my understanding Christians use a translation of Zecharia such as the one I belive Zone used as a proof which points to Jesus. I offered the original Hebrew text and a translation of that text for your consumption which to me points to something quite different, Israel as the one who was pierced by the nations. I had no intention to discuss DNA evidence of who Israel is. But frankly I think it could be said that those who left Egypt and abided in God's Torah is a son of Israel whether they be native born or the great multitude that left went with them a.k.a. The sojourner who sojourns with them.
Gal. 6: 15For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
There is the Israel of the flesh who believe in circumcision, and there is the Israel of God who walk by the rule of Christ. It is natural to understand this as ethnic Israel who followed God, rather than ethnic Israel who believed in circumcision.
There is no text that clearly states that the Church is the Israel of God. They are not all Israel who are of Israel, but that pertains to ethnic Israel. They can be sons of Abraham without being sons of the promise.
But clearly the Church is a royal priesthood, a holy nation, children of the promise by faith in Abraham, united Jew and Gentile under the banner of faith.
I can say this as a strong Dispensationalist, as a strong believer in taking what the Bible says at face value.
There is the Israel of the flesh who believe in circumcision, and there is the Israel of God who walk by the rule of Christ. It is natural to understand this as ethnic Israel who followed God, rather than ethnic Israel who believed in circumcision.
There is no text that clearly states that the Church is the Israel of God. They are not all Israel who are of Israel, but that pertains to ethnic Israel. They can be sons of Abraham without being sons of the promise.
But clearly the Church is a royal priesthood, a holy nation, children of the promise by faith in Abraham, united Jew and Gentile under the banner of faith.
I can say this as a strong Dispensationalist, as a strong believer in taking what the Bible says at face value.
There is no more Jew and Gentile after 70ad!
There is no more Jews, called God's Chosen People,
Nor Gentiles; who was Israel's Enemy from Adam to Adam!
There is no more Jew or GreeK!!!!!
And you cannot recreate it no matter how hard you try!
God says in His Word, written by Jewish Apostle's,
in His Kingdom there is no more Jew or Gentile!
Everything concerning your futurist Jew and Gentile is a LIE!
This is your problem and you can twist it how ever you like,
and in the end you must call God a liar to continue in this madness!
Jesus did what Israel could not do; He became Israel, He is Israel!
The Gospel was offered to the Jews first!
Than to the Gentiles in that same generation, 30ad to 70ad!
Then to the rest of the world from 70ad to present.
When God's Word says that all Israel will be saved;
It is speaking of Covenant Israel, not natural Israel!
And this is speaking of anyone in natural Israel, who is in Covenant with God in His Church!
Whether it was, Old Covenant Israel which was the Church, or Light in the wilderness!
(this was the end of Natural Israel as God's Chosen People)
or, New Covenant Israel which is, the Church, or Light set upon a Hill, Mt Zion!
How can you say there is no clear Scripture stating the Church as Covenant Israel!
The whole NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT), states it ever so clearly!?
What do you do with these New Covenant pages in the Bible?
Use them as toiletry?
After Jesus became the True Israel;
The Gospel of God's Kingdom in Christ Jesus our Lord,
was offered FIRST TO THE JEW, OF THAT EVIL GENERATION,
THEN THE GENTILE.
Thank you! By the very Scripture you posted,
proves in itself, the The Israel of God, was the same as the New Creation!
Who did Paul say was the new Creatures in the New Creation of Christ Jesus?
Or, the Israel of God? The Church!
These things were written and taught in real time!
Before The Old Way in Adam was abolished,
to their kinsmen, in hopes that they might be saved into New Covenant Israel!
Why do you believe there needed to be a new Creation, in the 2nd Adam?
because the Old one in Adam failed!
Do you not understand, that the faithful of Old Covenant Israel,
now abide in New Jerusalem;
in the New Creation, Christ Jesus, the Messiah they looked forward to!
Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, that this could be so!
There is nothing left to fulfill for them!
These faithful lines of Israel, ended with Jesus on the Cross! 30ad!
And the the Old Way in Adam was ended in 70ad,
when the Holy City, Holy Temple, Holy Institution, was destroyed and made obsolete!
many blessings
There is no more Jews, called God's Chosen People,
Nor Gentiles; who was Israel's Enemy from Adam to Adam!
There is no more Jew or GreeK!!!!!
And you cannot recreate it no matter how hard you try!
God says in His Word, written by Jewish Apostle's,
in His Kingdom there is no more Jew or Gentile!
Everything concerning your futurist Jew and Gentile is a LIE!
This is your problem and you can twist it how ever you like,
and in the end you must call God a liar to continue in this madness!
Jesus did what Israel could not do; He became Israel, He is Israel!
The Gospel was offered to the Jews first!
Than to the Gentiles in that same generation, 30ad to 70ad!
Then to the rest of the world from 70ad to present.
When God's Word says that all Israel will be saved;
It is speaking of Covenant Israel, not natural Israel!
And this is speaking of anyone in natural Israel, who is in Covenant with God in His Church!
Whether it was, Old Covenant Israel which was the Church, or Light in the wilderness!
(this was the end of Natural Israel as God's Chosen People)
or, New Covenant Israel which is, the Church, or Light set upon a Hill, Mt Zion!
How can you say there is no clear Scripture stating the Church as Covenant Israel!
The whole NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT), states it ever so clearly!?
What do you do with these New Covenant pages in the Bible?
Use them as toiletry?
After Jesus became the True Israel;
The Gospel of God's Kingdom in Christ Jesus our Lord,
was offered FIRST TO THE JEW, OF THAT EVIL GENERATION,
THEN THE GENTILE.
Thank you! By the very Scripture you posted,
proves in itself, the The Israel of God, was the same as the New Creation!
Who did Paul say was the new Creatures in the New Creation of Christ Jesus?
Or, the Israel of God? The Church!
These things were written and taught in real time!
Before The Old Way in Adam was abolished,
to their kinsmen, in hopes that they might be saved into New Covenant Israel!
Why do you believe there needed to be a new Creation, in the 2nd Adam?
because the Old one in Adam failed!
Do you not understand, that the faithful of Old Covenant Israel,
now abide in New Jerusalem;
in the New Creation, Christ Jesus, the Messiah they looked forward to!
Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, that this could be so!
There is nothing left to fulfill for them!
These faithful lines of Israel, ended with Jesus on the Cross! 30ad!
And the the Old Way in Adam was ended in 70ad,
when the Holy City, Holy Temple, Holy Institution, was destroyed and made obsolete!
many blessings
Yes good work! This was fulfilled between 30ad and 70ad! The spirit of grace was poured out upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem! Where, The Early Church which was comprised mostly of Jews; the faithful of that last generation of Old Covenant Israel, who recognized Jesus as the Firstborn of God. This same Early Church laid the foundation of New Covenant Israel, the Church, unto this very day! Whom the Apostle Paul referred to as the Israel of God, that there would be no mistake to whom God was in Covenant with, now that the rest of Natural Israel turned their back on God's Son. The unfaithful of that last wicked generation of Natural Israel, was cut-off from God and cast out of the kingdom, where they are unto this very day.
may you be blessed
may you be blessed
All jews are not Jews cp Rom 9:6
Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now this verse is enlightening, if we have eyes to see, Jesus assures the church in Philadelphia what He will make these pretended jews do, and it does not consult their so called freewill !
There are two good points here being made, Jesus says about those "who say they are jews, but lie [also see Rev 2:9] It would appear that in one sense these people are jews, the physical descendants of the Patriarchs, who met in the synagouges to worship, remember Jesus addressed a similar crowd during His ministry Jn 8:37, but in another sense, inwardly and spiritually they are not jews, not believers in The True Messiah, and perhaps persecutors of those who do believe in Him as per 1 Thess 2:13-15.
These Jews are said instead to be the synagogue of satan. True Jews belong to Christ, the seed of Abraham [see Gal 3:29] for you see paul writes:
Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The word jew here is the greek word Ioudaios and its used in this sense:
the word is used of ideal Jews, i.e., Jews in spiritual reality, believers, whether Jews or Gentiles by natural birth.
This Judaism is of the heart, and it cannot be limited to believing jews but does graft in believing gentiles, this clear from Paul's statement to the Philippians Phil 3:3
3For we [believers] are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Worshiping God in Spirit and rejoicing in Christ Jesus is not limited to ethnic jews.. So John in writing Rev 3:9 is giving us to understand that Jesus distinguishes between literal jews, and spiritual jews or Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual seed of Abraham. Thats why paul also writes Rom 9:6
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:96
Rev 3:9
9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Now this verse is enlightening, if we have eyes to see, Jesus assures the church in Philadelphia what He will make these pretended jews do, and it does not consult their so called freewill !
There are two good points here being made, Jesus says about those "who say they are jews, but lie [also see Rev 2:9] It would appear that in one sense these people are jews, the physical descendants of the Patriarchs, who met in the synagouges to worship, remember Jesus addressed a similar crowd during His ministry Jn 8:37, but in another sense, inwardly and spiritually they are not jews, not believers in The True Messiah, and perhaps persecutors of those who do believe in Him as per 1 Thess 2:13-15.
These Jews are said instead to be the synagogue of satan. True Jews belong to Christ, the seed of Abraham [see Gal 3:29] for you see paul writes:
Rom 2:28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The word jew here is the greek word Ioudaios and its used in this sense:
the word is used of ideal Jews, i.e., Jews in spiritual reality, believers, whether Jews or Gentiles by natural birth.
This Judaism is of the heart, and it cannot be limited to believing jews but does graft in believing gentiles, this clear from Paul's statement to the Philippians Phil 3:3
3For we [believers] are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
Worshiping God in Spirit and rejoicing in Christ Jesus is not limited to ethnic jews.. So John in writing Rev 3:9 is giving us to understand that Jesus distinguishes between literal jews, and spiritual jews or Spiritual Israel, the Spiritual seed of Abraham. Thats why paul also writes Rom 9:6
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:96
There is also truth in this:
1Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for [their] salvation. 2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
This is obviously ethnic Israel, about which Paul later says in the same chapter: 14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
So they obviously need to believe, but they are not rejected as a people, for Paul then says 1I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.
So there is a future for ethnic Israel, it's clear For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
The Gentiles (who are in a sense spiritual Israel) will not deny ethnic Israel their heritage and salvation. God keeps His promises. I glory in God's promises to the Jewish people, I am grafted in to those promises, yet all ethnic Israel will be saved. How? They will have to believe in their Messiah.
1Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to God for them is for [their] salvation. 2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
This is obviously ethnic Israel, about which Paul later says in the same chapter: 14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
So they obviously need to believe, but they are not rejected as a people, for Paul then says 1I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.
So there is a future for ethnic Israel, it's clear For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
The Gentiles (who are in a sense spiritual Israel) will not deny ethnic Israel their heritage and salvation. God keeps His promises. I glory in God's promises to the Jewish people, I am grafted in to those promises, yet all ethnic Israel will be saved. How? They will have to believe in their Messiah.
Konroh, all of these things were written by Paul before 70 ad,
the Gospel was being preached to the Jew first.
This is not something that is being done today;
in fact it ceased after 70ad, because that is when the times of the Gentiles ended!
There is no more Jew or Gentile! Which part of this do you not understand?
When Paul ,or a Prophet of Israel spoke of all of Israel will be saved,
they were speaking of the fullness of the faithful of Israel!
or they were speaking of the fullness of Covenant Israel, which includes us.
Paul was speaking here of natural Israel,
because the door had not yet been closed to them,
but in about 67ad the door was closed!
The door was closed to them to come into Christ, in that generation,
as natural Israel, the chosen people of God! 30ad to 70ad.
the Jews of today, can still be save by the preaching of the Gospel,
but the Jews today are no longer the Chosen people of God!
The Old way in Adam was abolished in 70ad!
When Paul said, over and over, there is no more Jew or Greek. ie Gentile
This is what he was saying:
(There is no more Jew, who are known as the chosen people of God);
and (the Gentiles who were the enemy's of natural Israel from Adam to Adam,
were absorbed into the Greco-Roman world and the Church after 70ad).
Neither one of them exist now, they ceased to exist after 70ad.
When you speak of all of natural Israel,
there were thousands maybe a million,
cut off from the blessing of Israel in the Old Covenant years before Christ.
This meant they were going to hell!
So not all of natural Israel was ever taught to be saved!
When Paul said 'all Israel' thus natural Israel, he was speaking of all the faithful of Old Covenant Israel,
up unto 70ad!
Paul was speaking in these vs you give,
to the Christians in some places who did not think or want the fullness of these things to be fulfilled.
They did not understand somethings.
That is exactly what the Deliverer (Jesus) did, in vs 26!
He (Jesus), removed ungodliness, (the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel) from Jacob!
None of this is hard to understand unless you've drank your fill of the Devil's Brew!
Dispensationalism! and I do not say this to be smart with you, it's just the simple truth.
You support and defend something that is not real.
Just some of my thoughts, be blessed
the Gospel was being preached to the Jew first.
This is not something that is being done today;
in fact it ceased after 70ad, because that is when the times of the Gentiles ended!
There is no more Jew or Gentile! Which part of this do you not understand?
When Paul ,or a Prophet of Israel spoke of all of Israel will be saved,
they were speaking of the fullness of the faithful of Israel!
or they were speaking of the fullness of Covenant Israel, which includes us.
Paul was speaking here of natural Israel,
because the door had not yet been closed to them,
but in about 67ad the door was closed!
The door was closed to them to come into Christ, in that generation,
as natural Israel, the chosen people of God! 30ad to 70ad.
the Jews of today, can still be save by the preaching of the Gospel,
but the Jews today are no longer the Chosen people of God!
The Old way in Adam was abolished in 70ad!
When Paul said, over and over, there is no more Jew or Greek. ie Gentile
This is what he was saying:
(There is no more Jew, who are known as the chosen people of God);
and (the Gentiles who were the enemy's of natural Israel from Adam to Adam,
were absorbed into the Greco-Roman world and the Church after 70ad).
Neither one of them exist now, they ceased to exist after 70ad.
When you speak of all of natural Israel,
there were thousands maybe a million,
cut off from the blessing of Israel in the Old Covenant years before Christ.
This meant they were going to hell!
So not all of natural Israel was ever taught to be saved!
When Paul said 'all Israel' thus natural Israel, he was speaking of all the faithful of Old Covenant Israel,
up unto 70ad!
Paul was speaking in these vs you give,
to the Christians in some places who did not think or want the fullness of these things to be fulfilled.
They did not understand somethings.
That is exactly what the Deliverer (Jesus) did, in vs 26!
He (Jesus), removed ungodliness, (the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel) from Jacob!
None of this is hard to understand unless you've drank your fill of the Devil's Brew!
Dispensationalism! and I do not say this to be smart with you, it's just the simple truth.
You support and defend something that is not real.
Just some of my thoughts, be blessed
There are two problems with your interpretation, both relating to your name, historicist.
You are interpreting this passage not based on the words of the text, but on your understanding of history and what that means. You are actually using a dispensational argument. You argue that there was a different economy of God that somehow went up to AD 70 and then changed. I agree Ad 70 was climactic, the destruction of Jerusalem, and it was predicted by Jesus, but did it somehow usher in a new era where before there was Jew and Gentile and after there wasn't? The actual biblical description of this is in AD 33/34 when Jesus died on the cross. That is the change from Old Covenant to New Covenant. You can't interpret Romans one way just because it was written in AD 67. All of the NT is written after AD 33/34, that's what's most important.
Secondly, you seem to miss the point that Paul is describing the future. "And so all Israel will be saved." This is without a doubt a description of the future. You can't make this something that has already happened.
It's absolutely hilarious that you believe there was a different dispensation of God pre AD 70 and post AD 70, especially as you are so anti-dispensational.
You are interpreting this passage not based on the words of the text, but on your understanding of history and what that means. You are actually using a dispensational argument. You argue that there was a different economy of God that somehow went up to AD 70 and then changed. I agree Ad 70 was climactic, the destruction of Jerusalem, and it was predicted by Jesus, but did it somehow usher in a new era where before there was Jew and Gentile and after there wasn't? The actual biblical description of this is in AD 33/34 when Jesus died on the cross. That is the change from Old Covenant to New Covenant. You can't interpret Romans one way just because it was written in AD 67. All of the NT is written after AD 33/34, that's what's most important.
Secondly, you seem to miss the point that Paul is describing the future. "And so all Israel will be saved." This is without a doubt a description of the future. You can't make this something that has already happened.
It's absolutely hilarious that you believe there was a different dispensation of God pre AD 70 and post AD 70, especially as you are so anti-dispensational.
Not sure who your speaking to here konroh? You used Historicist name but referenced to my post?!
But I'm assuming it's me your referring to!
anyway nice to hear from you, again!
You can't be that ignorant though, I know it, because I've read many of your posts!
But i guess when it suits our need, right!
This is not a Dispensationalist argument, but good try!!!
This 40 year period of time, 30ad to 70ad
Was a special Generation! Jesus died, and at Pentecost the Church began! 30ad!
The Old Way in Adam was being abolished at the same time;
so the last generation of Old Covenant Israel and the 1st generation of New Covenant Israel,
were on the earth at the same time!
This is the greatest time in the history of the world!
The Old Way in Adam was abolished at the end of this generation, in 70ad!
This is the time of what is called the Early Church, konroh!
They were a witness (the Jews of New Covenant Israel) to their kinfolk, the Jews!
Remember, the preaching of the Gospel in this time period was to the JEW first!
All of the Apostle Paul's writings were in the future before 70ad! So good try!
So yes, your correct, you and your people in the Dispensational camp,
have hi-jacked all the great things of God that took place in this historic time period!
and have cast them beyond your ever growing Gnostic Gap....into an unknown future...
that is not even known by the Ancient Prophets of Israel!
Amos 3:7, ...surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets...
O, but forgive me, there is no timeline connection to your 7 year tribulation in the yet wild blue yonder!
And I'm glad that you find it so hilarious!
Your so silly!
My belly hurts you make me laugh so hard! hahah!
many blessings
I could have sworn that the user name said Historicist so my apologies.
However what you find funny I really do see as a Dispensational argument. You talk of the old way in Adam, I assume you mean the Law. Jesus dies and Pentecost starts the Church. Right, but I'm not sure where you get your "special 40 year generation" argument. You clearly seem to be referencing an idea that this was a special period of time (dispensation) where certain things occurred that don't happen now. What verses back up this statement?
I would agree that certain NT books are difficult to interpret being transitional books between the Old and New Covenants, namely, the Synoptic Gospels. But the big transition is Jesus' death and resurrection.
I guess I'd need to know what you mean by all the great things of God that took place in this historic time period!
It seems to me you still don't understand that even though Romans was written pre-70 the "so all Israel will be saved" is still referring to the future. When did this occur? If you have this occurring during this special Gnostic 40 year time period then you are reading Romans wrongly.
I understand that you don't believe it is future even now, but it had to have been future when Paul wrote it, and not somehow fulfilled when Paul was writing it.
However what you find funny I really do see as a Dispensational argument. You talk of the old way in Adam, I assume you mean the Law. Jesus dies and Pentecost starts the Church. Right, but I'm not sure where you get your "special 40 year generation" argument. You clearly seem to be referencing an idea that this was a special period of time (dispensation) where certain things occurred that don't happen now. What verses back up this statement?
I would agree that certain NT books are difficult to interpret being transitional books between the Old and New Covenants, namely, the Synoptic Gospels. But the big transition is Jesus' death and resurrection.
I guess I'd need to know what you mean by all the great things of God that took place in this historic time period!
It seems to me you still don't understand that even though Romans was written pre-70 the "so all Israel will be saved" is still referring to the future. When did this occur? If you have this occurring during this special Gnostic 40 year time period then you are reading Romans wrongly.
I understand that you don't believe it is future even now, but it had to have been future when Paul wrote it, and not somehow fulfilled when Paul was writing it.
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It's no big deal konroh, was just wanting to make sure it was me you were sending your descent to!
Historicist is good people I'm sure!
Your right Konroh the the most important thing is Jesus and Him Crucified! See we do agree on something! Yea us!
But, this entire 40 yr time period (30ad to 70ad )is prophetic in scripture, up to the destruction of the Temple, the Holy City Jerusalem, and the Old Way in Adam! But I'm not surprised that you do not understand this!
You are aware i'm sure that the earliest Christians in the Early Church referred to themselves as being in 'The Way'? This was in reference to the New Way in the 2nd Adam, Jesus; as opposed to the Old Way in Adam. So, that is what I mean when I speak about the Old Way in Adam.
Finally, no not all of natural (ethnic) Israel will be saved!
No, konroh this is not what this phrase means!
It is a prophetic term; meaning all of the faithful dead in Adam!
And yes, these faithful dead in Adam are of natural Israel,
and including those of that last Generation up to 70ad!
This term 'all of Israel will be saved', does not include, 'the New Jewish State' in modern day Israel.
I'm sorry that this causes you so much confusion, hurt or anger;
but this is not my problem, I chose not to support or defend this theology of Zionism!
all of true Israel are being saved in each generation since Christ, As Paul wrote in Romans, God showed mercy to the disobedient gentiles, and the jewish people have been disobedient for rejecting Jesus Christ, so that God could show mercy to all, because all have fallen short. All who recognize they have sinned against God and need a Savior can see Jesus as the messiah. Those who repent and believe the gospel are the Israel of God.
