The joy of Calvin's succinctness.
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Great video. 
Thank you for sharing it here.
Get ready for the bombs.
Thank you for sharing it here.Get ready for the bombs.
The biggest difficulty seems to be that brethren cannot understand what is being said easily - or perhaps I am a poor witness - so that even speaking of the children of the Islands receiving a Christian education - is sufficient to remove the underlying fear of what Calvin said regarding Limited Atonement and that fact alone gives room for an escape from a doctrinal precept that I haven't even raised and have expressly sed numerous times have no intention of raising. It is Calvin that people are offended by - and a greater reality that is rejected as a consequence. God bless you.
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I so agree with this especially in your awesome testimony there brother. "...It is Calvin that people are offended by - and a greater reality that is rejected as a consequence." I've witnessed this in this same thread and elsewhere when anything Calvin related is broached.
And thank you. May God continue to bless you as well.
And thank you. May God continue to bless you as well.
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you responded to what she said and quoted and then said you didn’t Miss it …..I was just pointing out that you must have her post was quite clear
You must have missed what she said and then Followed up with a perfectly appropriate and clear quote this is from the same Bible
“Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:3 KJV
her point is that all were appointed to wrath and still are until they convert to Christ believing the gospel is what saves us from that
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
everyone is appointed to wrath until they do that in truth herring the true gospel and believing saves us from it
You must have missed what she said and then Followed up with a perfectly appropriate and clear quote this is from the same Bible
“Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:3 KJV
her point is that all were appointed to wrath and still are until they convert to Christ believing the gospel is what saves us from that
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
everyone is appointed to wrath until they do that in truth herring the true gospel and believing saves us from it
Get ready for the bombs.
From post@#162
One time, bro, I was warned by the Kirk to come to the Sabbath meeting stone cold sober and to gird myself for a baptism of fire. I thought to myself, dear God! Why? So as innocently as I could muster, seeing as I was in such short commodity of innocence, I asked, "Why Moderator?"
He told me that Black Rod was preaching and there wasn't to be any miscreant affectations to be garnered to the shame of the church.
So that Sabbath I sat rather nervously as Black Rod strode into the pulpit - almost as if he were the very hand of God. No more stern a Calvinist have I ever seen than Black Rod.
Just as he was opening his scroll to begin his lecture - I cried out - "you are an atheist."
He flashed a fearsome look of unfathomable rudeness around the church and cried out in a roar, Who spoke that blasphemy?"
And the entire congregation pointed to me and with a single voice cried out, "he did, the one in the steel hat."
Thats the thing about rudeness, bro, its best drank in flagons. Amen
And then one to yourself today @#25
Just between you and me bro, when I was at theological seminary some while back, an Emeritus Professor called Black Rod came to me when I was cleaning the toilet block and spoke to me quietly, in such a soft voice in fact that I had to drag him by the neck into the very throne of effluence and require him to speak a little louder so that I could hear him. He smiled with an unnerving approval and then proceeded to tell me that in the future there would be a place available for the whole world to be able to train Calvinist Ministers up and set them at variance with one another to determine who would be elected to the best pulpits in the land.
Realising that he was of course quiet mad I simply smiled an unerring smile back at him and he seeing the haze of reason in my eyes, nodded knowingly. So I said, illuminating my Lord Black Rod. Then as if he were venturing into a secret that he hadn't spoken to another living soul he thrust his manic face into mine and breathlessly whispered, Illuminati, my son.
When I came onto this forum I was taken to task on charge of the light brigade in so many ways.
So I also take time out to make certain that the students that I invite to document these threads, for the record (it's called learning), learn how to be more careful with insult and injury than reciprocity of insult - by being ironic. In British parlance that's just a tad shy of humorous. Bombs? Got a steel hat mate!
Finally, @#316
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
How sneaky must he sneaky be
Who calls the storm by pride?
How sweetly must he sweetly be,
When all his horses bridled?
Rhomaphaeam, The Calvinist
Amen and Amen.
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Just for the sake of a connective tissue in my ironic humour, brother.
From post@#162
One time, bro, I was warned by the Kirk to come to the Sabbath meeting stone cold sober and to gird myself for a baptism of fire. I thought to myself, dear God! Why? So as innocently as I could muster, seeing as I was in such short commodity of innocence, I asked, "Why Moderator?"
He told me that Black Rod was preaching and there wasn't to be any miscreant affectations to be garnered to the shame of the church.
So that Sabbath I sat rather nervously as Black Rod strode into the pulpit - almost as if he were the very hand of God. No more stern a Calvinist have I ever seen than Black Rod.
Just as he was opening his scroll to begin his lecture - I cried out - "you are an atheist."
He flashed a fearsome look of unfathomable rudeness around the church and cried out in a roar, Who spoke that blasphemy?"
And the entire congregation pointed to me and with a single voice cried out, "he did, the one in the steel hat."
Thats the thing about rudeness, bro, its best drank in flagons. Amen
And then one to yourself today @#25
Just between you and me bro, when I was at theological seminary some while back, an Emeritus Professor called Black Rod came to me when I was cleaning the toilet block and spoke to me quietly, in such a soft voice in fact that I had to drag him by the neck into the very throne of effluence and require him to speak a little louder so that I could hear him. He smiled with an unnerving approval and then proceeded to tell me that in the future there would be a place available for the whole world to be able to train Calvinist Ministers up and set them at variance with one another to determine who would be elected to the best pulpits in the land.
Realising that he was of course quiet mad I simply smiled an unerring smile back at him and he seeing the haze of reason in my eyes, nodded knowingly. So I said, illuminating my Lord Black Rod. Then as if he were venturing into a secret that he hadn't spoken to another living soul he thrust his manic face into mine and breathlessly whispered, Illuminati, my son.
When I came onto this forum I was taken to task on charge of the light brigade in so many ways.
So I also take time out to make certain that the students that I invite to document these threads, for the record (it's called learning), learn how to be more careful with insult and injury than reciprocity of insult - by being ironic. In British parlance that's just a tad shy of humorous. Bombs? Got a steel hat mate!
Finally, @#316
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
How sneaky must he sneaky be
Who calls the storm by pride?
How sweetly must he sweetly be,
When all his horses bridled?
Rhomaphaeam, The Calvinist
Amen and Amen.
From post@#162
One time, bro, I was warned by the Kirk to come to the Sabbath meeting stone cold sober and to gird myself for a baptism of fire. I thought to myself, dear God! Why? So as innocently as I could muster, seeing as I was in such short commodity of innocence, I asked, "Why Moderator?"
He told me that Black Rod was preaching and there wasn't to be any miscreant affectations to be garnered to the shame of the church.
So that Sabbath I sat rather nervously as Black Rod strode into the pulpit - almost as if he were the very hand of God. No more stern a Calvinist have I ever seen than Black Rod.
Just as he was opening his scroll to begin his lecture - I cried out - "you are an atheist."
He flashed a fearsome look of unfathomable rudeness around the church and cried out in a roar, Who spoke that blasphemy?"
And the entire congregation pointed to me and with a single voice cried out, "he did, the one in the steel hat."
Thats the thing about rudeness, bro, its best drank in flagons. Amen
And then one to yourself today @#25
Just between you and me bro, when I was at theological seminary some while back, an Emeritus Professor called Black Rod came to me when I was cleaning the toilet block and spoke to me quietly, in such a soft voice in fact that I had to drag him by the neck into the very throne of effluence and require him to speak a little louder so that I could hear him. He smiled with an unnerving approval and then proceeded to tell me that in the future there would be a place available for the whole world to be able to train Calvinist Ministers up and set them at variance with one another to determine who would be elected to the best pulpits in the land.
Realising that he was of course quiet mad I simply smiled an unerring smile back at him and he seeing the haze of reason in my eyes, nodded knowingly. So I said, illuminating my Lord Black Rod. Then as if he were venturing into a secret that he hadn't spoken to another living soul he thrust his manic face into mine and breathlessly whispered, Illuminati, my son.
When I came onto this forum I was taken to task on charge of the light brigade in so many ways.
So I also take time out to make certain that the students that I invite to document these threads, for the record (it's called learning), learn how to be more careful with insult and injury than reciprocity of insult - by being ironic. In British parlance that's just a tad shy of humorous. Bombs? Got a steel hat mate!
Finally, @#316
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
How sneaky must he sneaky be
Who calls the storm by pride?
How sweetly must he sweetly be,
When all his horses bridled?
Rhomaphaeam, The Calvinist
Amen and Amen.
Bless you and your steel hat mate.
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I’m not offended I was just pointing out that you ignored what sister magenta had said and quoted and said you didn’t miss what she said and quoted
sort of simple it seems like you can go back and see what she said and your response
it seems like you totally missed it and it’s rather plain , that was my only point. It’s okay to have missed something someone said and then later when you realize it it’s okay to admit it and let it go
sort of simple it seems like you can go back and see what she said and your response
it seems like you totally missed it and it’s rather plain , that was my only point. It’s okay to have missed something someone said and then later when you realize it it’s okay to admit it and let it go
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Get over it.
I didn't miss a thing. You don't have to like that because you both seem to have an issue with the sovereignty of God and predestination. The fact that the prior scripture says contrary to what you both prefer about being destined to be children of wrath.
You may wish to insist you are. And that's just fine. For both of you. Don't patronize me because you can't accept your attitudes don't make me concede to the falsehood you push.
God is sovereign and has predetermined all things. Someone can't claim to believe his word and then deny what he's said because it doesn't comport with what they prefer to accept.
Those whom God chose to gift faith and salvation are not and were not destined to be children of wrath. If you'd read Paul as he intended to be understood you'd not take issue. Or fail to comprehend what is part of the entire Gospel truth.
Maybe you and your sister can take a refresher and read Jesus' words when he told us how to pray when he gave his sermon from the mountain as recorded in Matthew 6. That may educate you as to who actually is in control in this world and always has been.
"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
You may prefer to think yourself having been once destined to wrath. You both don't have to act like you are filled with it now. The passive aggressive personality, Barbie scripture art work and all, doesn't fool anyone when they find themselves on your sisters bad side. When you link arms and go after those she targets it looks bad. Especially when you're wrong and yet condescending.
Find grace. It's easy.
I didn't miss a thing. You don't have to like that because you both seem to have an issue with the sovereignty of God and predestination. The fact that the prior scripture says contrary to what you both prefer about being destined to be children of wrath.
You may wish to insist you are. And that's just fine. For both of you. Don't patronize me because you can't accept your attitudes don't make me concede to the falsehood you push.
God is sovereign and has predetermined all things. Someone can't claim to believe his word and then deny what he's said because it doesn't comport with what they prefer to accept.
Those whom God chose to gift faith and salvation are not and were not destined to be children of wrath. If you'd read Paul as he intended to be understood you'd not take issue. Or fail to comprehend what is part of the entire Gospel truth.
Maybe you and your sister can take a refresher and read Jesus' words when he told us how to pray when he gave his sermon from the mountain as recorded in Matthew 6. That may educate you as to who actually is in control in this world and always has been.
"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
You may prefer to think yourself having been once destined to wrath. You both don't have to act like you are filled with it now. The passive aggressive personality, Barbie scripture art work and all, doesn't fool anyone when they find themselves on your sisters bad side. When you link arms and go after those she targets it looks bad. Especially when you're wrong and yet condescending.
Find grace. It's easy.
lol you get really upset really quick huh ?
are you saying I should find this grace?
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
that grace that teaches us to repent of our sins and start living right in Gods eyes and becoming zealous of good works bekng purified of iniquity that. BRings salvation ? That Grace of God ?!
or are you saying to accept this grace which removes the part that teaches us to repent denies the word of Jesus Christ that teaches us those tongs and live as if grace means never having to believe what’s actually in Gods word ?
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Jude 1:4 KJV
i have found real Grace hats why I don’t have to pretend this doesn’t apply to me
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
Which grace are you talking about the one that accepts the word of God or rejects it and looks for a grave invention sold for 29.99 ?
if I were you I would look to the gospel and the word of Jesus Christ and the truth about salvation but that’s just what I will always stick to I won’t ever pretend grace erases Gods word that teaches us to repent and believe his word and be saved no thanks on that one
I’m pretty convinced God is sovereign so when he makes things clear in his word I’m willing to accept and believe it are you ?
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
old Calvin didn’t teach that didn he ? If grace means you need to ignore it your on the wrong boat called grace
are you saying I should find this grace?
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
that grace that teaches us to repent of our sins and start living right in Gods eyes and becoming zealous of good works bekng purified of iniquity that. BRings salvation ? That Grace of God ?!
or are you saying to accept this grace which removes the part that teaches us to repent denies the word of Jesus Christ that teaches us those tongs and live as if grace means never having to believe what’s actually in Gods word ?
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Jude 1:4 KJV
i have found real Grace hats why I don’t have to pretend this doesn’t apply to me
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
Which grace are you talking about the one that accepts the word of God or rejects it and looks for a grave invention sold for 29.99 ?
if I were you I would look to the gospel and the word of Jesus Christ and the truth about salvation but that’s just what I will always stick to I won’t ever pretend grace erases Gods word that teaches us to repent and believe his word and be saved no thanks on that one
I’m pretty convinced God is sovereign so when he makes things clear in his word I’m willing to accept and believe it are you ?
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
old Calvin didn’t teach that didn he ? If grace means you need to ignore it your on the wrong boat called grace
quite a bit actually he’s got some good things to say he just doesn’t cover everything d his conclusions fall short of things that Jesus , Paul and the apostles taught
not against Calvin but I’m not a Calvinist I’m a Christian
he’s got some Good things to say though as far as I’m able to understand anyways
I don’t think we should trust in Calvin , or Luther , Joseph smith , Joseph prince or anyone other than the one God sent
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
I think like Paul’s words Calvins writings and conclusions can be easily misunderstood and distorted sort of this kind of position
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:15-17 KJV
I’ve seen Calvinism lead people astray if they do t believe the gospel and accept the word of Christ first but I’m. Not against Calvin I just find his conclusions incomplete and easily distortable
a lot of what he says is easy to
Misinunderstand and his conclusions compact that in my opinion we’re better to consider peoples ideas about the Bible and salvation against what the Bible actually says about it to keep
From going astray
I’ve never considered Calvin false , I consider him another Christian who had some good things to say but fell short of knowing and understanding it all or being able to offer salvation through believing in Calvin
people use his writings to often distort things as they do Paul’s letters …..
not against Calvin but I’m not a Calvinist I’m a Christian
he’s got some Good things to say though as far as I’m able to understand anyways
I don’t think we should trust in Calvin , or Luther , Joseph smith , Joseph prince or anyone other than the one God sent
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
I think like Paul’s words Calvins writings and conclusions can be easily misunderstood and distorted sort of this kind of position
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:15-17 KJV
I’ve seen Calvinism lead people astray if they do t believe the gospel and accept the word of Christ first but I’m. Not against Calvin I just find his conclusions incomplete and easily distortable
a lot of what he says is easy to
Misinunderstand and his conclusions compact that in my opinion we’re better to consider peoples ideas about the Bible and salvation against what the Bible actually says about it to keep
From going astray
I’ve never considered Calvin false , I consider him another Christian who had some good things to say but fell short of knowing and understanding it all or being able to offer salvation through believing in Calvin
people use his writings to often distort things as they do Paul’s letters …..
You should probably find some people lying and playing victim then lol to recount what happened because apparently you missed it completely
She said this
“I gave the verse. Did you miss it?
All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging
its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3”
your reply insisted you didn’t miss the verse she quoted lol then went off subject clearly not acknolwedging what she said
“Clearly I did not miss it….. “
I said
“I Think you definately missed what she had said and quoted to show where it came from we were past tense children of wrath because we lived just like the children of disobedience live , but now have been converted from that”
And at that point you clearly became upset and began your rants about people lying and claiming to be victims lol but yeah you did either miss what she said or ignored it And went on rants to avoid that part I think but who knows seems pretty obvious no ones lying about you you missed what she said and can’t admit it it seems like to me
now you’ve been lied about and someone else is playing victim lol ? This is fruitless so I’m gonna move on and let you ignore what ac to ally happened and continue the rants
She said this
“I gave the verse. Did you miss it?
All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging
its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3”
your reply insisted you didn’t miss the verse she quoted lol then went off subject clearly not acknolwedging what she said
“Clearly I did not miss it….. “
I said
“I Think you definately missed what she had said and quoted to show where it came from we were past tense children of wrath because we lived just like the children of disobedience live , but now have been converted from that”
And at that point you clearly became upset and began your rants about people lying and claiming to be victims lol but yeah you did either miss what she said or ignored it And went on rants to avoid that part I think but who knows seems pretty obvious no ones lying about you you missed what she said and can’t admit it it seems like to me
now you’ve been lied about and someone else is playing victim lol ? This is fruitless so I’m gonna move on and let you ignore what ac to ally happened and continue the rants
to be specific coming from my last post his conclusions on free will and man not having a choice in their salvation. This I find myself at odds with he looks to Adam and Eve and says they had free Will and then after the fall they no longer had any choice and were incapable of choosing good .
this would mean God punishes people who have no capability of choosing to do good or evil. Everyone in hell is there because that’s Gods Will not because of what they did as mankind having dominion on earth but because God randomly chose one to be an object of wrath regardless of thier own works and deeds and others regardless of their works and deeds will be in heaven
I don’t find his conclusions on predestination , free Will of mankind , or the judgement of men according to what they themselves have done to be complete or “correct completely “
not that he’s false but that in all the good he had to say here is also some that falls short.
he also seems to suggest with his conclusions that God sills everything that happens , to reject the fact that God repents and changes his mind based based on mans actions. Which he does several times in scripture
also his conclusions that a person can’t offend grace or fall away from grace regardless of choosing to do evil willfully. Which again contradicts scripture and falls short of a perfect doctrine
just a couple examples that I myself find less than perfect although I identify as a Protestant it doesn’t t make me a believer in Calvin for salvation or a Calvinist
I believe God willed for mankind to have freedom and choice upon earth that he in effect offers us salvation through Christ and leaves the choice To us. I don’t think people who are damned didn’t are t responsible for their damnation, but he’s the only one who can save us our part is to believe the gospel and get baptized
some would say I have no choice whether I go and get baptized and accept that the gospel is the word of God try at saves us but I believe we have a choice to believe and get baptized if his what makes us the elect
our choice is to accept the gospel or reject it. As far as I have understood calvins writings no matter what we do we’re either going to be saved or condemned I don’t find that to be accurate according to the New Testament
I believe we need to jeer what Jesus said and believe it and that will lead us to eternal life. Often we convince ourselves we have no choice because we know making the right choice will require us to stop making the wrong ones.
my main issue with calvins theology is the lack of free Will for mankind and our inability to work out our own salvstion understanding the fear of the lord and truth of eternal judgement. We do have a choice every day on what we’re going to put our effort into I believe Christ gives us that choice and ability if we seek him
this would mean God punishes people who have no capability of choosing to do good or evil. Everyone in hell is there because that’s Gods Will not because of what they did as mankind having dominion on earth but because God randomly chose one to be an object of wrath regardless of thier own works and deeds and others regardless of their works and deeds will be in heaven
I don’t find his conclusions on predestination , free Will of mankind , or the judgement of men according to what they themselves have done to be complete or “correct completely “
not that he’s false but that in all the good he had to say here is also some that falls short.
he also seems to suggest with his conclusions that God sills everything that happens , to reject the fact that God repents and changes his mind based based on mans actions. Which he does several times in scripture
also his conclusions that a person can’t offend grace or fall away from grace regardless of choosing to do evil willfully. Which again contradicts scripture and falls short of a perfect doctrine
just a couple examples that I myself find less than perfect although I identify as a Protestant it doesn’t t make me a believer in Calvin for salvation or a Calvinist
I believe God willed for mankind to have freedom and choice upon earth that he in effect offers us salvation through Christ and leaves the choice To us. I don’t think people who are damned didn’t are t responsible for their damnation, but he’s the only one who can save us our part is to believe the gospel and get baptized
some would say I have no choice whether I go and get baptized and accept that the gospel is the word of God try at saves us but I believe we have a choice to believe and get baptized if his what makes us the elect
our choice is to accept the gospel or reject it. As far as I have understood calvins writings no matter what we do we’re either going to be saved or condemned I don’t find that to be accurate according to the New Testament
I believe we need to jeer what Jesus said and believe it and that will lead us to eternal life. Often we convince ourselves we have no choice because we know making the right choice will require us to stop making the wrong ones.
my main issue with calvins theology is the lack of free Will for mankind and our inability to work out our own salvstion understanding the fear of the lord and truth of eternal judgement. We do have a choice every day on what we’re going to put our effort into I believe Christ gives us that choice and ability if we seek him