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Re: An Appeal to Reason

If we are meant to discover the meaning of the 153 fish by counting instances of words, like it's a cipher instead of actual meaningful text, it would be the words in the original language of the most accurate manuscripts. Not a translation into another language 1600 years after the fact, right?

This was not meant to be impossible to solve or comprehend at the time John wrote it. Right?
The number 47 is connected with immortality. To live forever. The text give the clues. I guarantee you will find what you are looking for on the "right side." What is on the right side of your Bible when opened? Is it not the New Testament? I will search the English Bible because I am not a Hebrew or Greek scholar nor will I ever be. The Bible is clear that we are saved Jesus Christ. As far as the 153 fish goes I will search the King James Bible for the meaning.
 

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The REAL KJV

Isaiah 63:1. Who is this that commeth from Edom, with died garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, trauelling in the greatnesse of his strength? I that speake in righteousnesse, mightie to saue.
2. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparell, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3. I haue troden the winepresse alone, and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my furie, and their blood shall be sprinkled vpon my garments, and I will staine all my raiment.
4. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the yeere of my redeemed is come.
5. And I looked, and there was none to helpe; and I wondered that there was none to vphold: therefore mine owne arme brought saluation vnto me, and my furie, it vpheld me.
6. And I will tread downe the people in mine anger, & make them drunke in my furie, and I will bring downe their strength to the earth. (The REAL KJV of 1611, before it was messed with)
 
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Re: The REAL KJV

Isaiah 63:1. Who is this that commeth from Edom, with died garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, trauelling in the greatnesse of his strength? I that speake in righteousnesse, mightie to saue.
2. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparell, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3. I haue troden the winepresse alone, and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my furie, and their blood shall be sprinkled vpon my garments, and I will staine all my raiment.
4. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the yeere of my redeemed is come.
5. And I looked, and there was none to helpe; and I wondered that there was none to vphold: therefore mine owne arme brought saluation vnto me, and my furie, it vpheld me.
6. And I will tread downe the people in mine anger, & make them drunke in my furie, and I will bring downe their strength to the earth. (The REAL KJV of 1611, before it was messed with)
I highly doubt that is the one they are playing their numbers games with.... even though THAT would have been the one God told the translators to write.
 

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*whew* man, getting indoctrinated on youtube is tiresome and evidently not profitable in the short term.

Anyhoo...

So far I haven't read anything remotely useful coming out of all this haphazard combinatorics.

So if someone is wise, could they please explain the 153 fish at the end of the gospel of John?
Not, I think, an insignificant detail - and John throughout his book is focused on showing the reader that Christ is God. After 7 signs he chose to record for us, he closes with this, as though to say if the 7 signs were too hard or not enough, "153 fish, Q.E.D."

Who has understanding?
9:32

Pressed enter
 
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Perhaps they are clues.

"And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes." (John 21:6)

"find" = 47 times in the NT of the KJB
"eternal" = 47 times in the KJB
"Son of God" = 47 times in the Bible
"truth" = 47x5 times in 37x6 verses of the KJB
"book" = 47x4 times in 7x25 verses of the KJB
"preach" = 47 verses of the KJB

God speaks exactly 47 words when He created man and women on the 6th day of Genesis chapter 1. Luke 3:38 refers to Adam as the "son of God" and "son of God" any case occurs in 47 verses of the KJB.

I think these are all potential clues.

naked = 47 times in the KJB; John 21:7 is the 37th verse that contains the word naked.


1st occurrence of the word naked is Genesis 2:25


"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

If we count the word "naked" from this verse to the end of the Bible we will arrive at the number 47.



Unfortunately along came the serpent and he says “Yea, hath God said”


“God said” = 46 times in the KJB . What did God say?


“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen 2:17)


The serpent speaks 46 words to Eve and she eats the fruit.


“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.” Genesis 3:7


If we count the word “naked” starting here we will arrive at a count of 46 and to this day we have this number in our DNA (the 46 chromosomes).


“Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;” 1 Corinthians 4:11 (137th chapter of NT)


1 Corinthians is the 46th book of the Bible


For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.” 2 Corinthians 5:1-3

eternal = 47 times KJB

2 Corinthians is the 47th book of the Bible


“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2


“sons of God” found in 47 verses (any case) in the KJB and “Son of God” (case) is found exactly 47 times in the KJB .


I think I see a pattern here.






























 
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Isaiah 63:1. Who is this that commeth from Edom, with died garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, trauelling in the greatnesse of his strength? I that speake in righteousnesse, mightie to saue.
2. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparell, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3. I haue troden the winepresse alone, and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my furie, and their blood shall be sprinkled vpon my garments, and I will staine all my raiment.
4. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the yeere of my redeemed is come.
5. And I looked, and there was none to helpe; and I wondered that there was none to vphold: therefore mine owne arme brought saluation vnto me, and my furie, it vpheld me.
6. And I will tread downe the people in mine anger, & make them drunke in my furie, and I will bring downe their strength to the earth.
(The REAL KJV of 1611, before it was messed with)


One of the very serious of the hundreds errors in the KJV is that most of the poetry is translated as prose rather than poetry. Much of Isaiah is written in poetry rather than prose, but the translators of the KJV apparently did not know the Hebrew language well enough to realize that! The Old Testament scholars who translated Isaiah in the New Revised Standard Version did realize it—and they gave us a translation that is not only technically highly accurate, but is also a masterpiece of English literature!

1. “Who is this that comes from Edom,
from Bozrah in garments stained crimson?
Who is this so splendidly robed,
marching in his great might?"
“It is I, announcing vindication,
mighty to save.”
2. “Why are your robes red,
and your garments like theirs who tread the wine press?”
3. “I have trodden the wine press alone,
and from the peoples no one was with me;
I trod them in my anger
and trampled them in my wrath;
their juice spattered on my garments,
and stained all my robes.
4. For the day of vengeance was in my heart,
and the year for my redeeming work had come.
5. I looked, but there was no helper;
I stared, but there was no one to sustain me;
so my own arm brought me victory,
and my wrath sustained me.
6. I trampled down peoples in my anger,
I crushed them in my wrath,
and I poured out their lifeblood on the earth.”
(NRSV)
 
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I think I am going to stick with the King James Bible thank you :)
 

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I think that I heard somewhere,

That the answer to life, the universe, and everything was 42.

But they said, "You can't understand what the answer means, Unless you know what the question is."

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This seems like the situation here.

Lot's of answers, but there is no question, to be answered.

Which makes the answers, vain and without meaning.

That is, the numbers won't lead you to eternal life.

Only love, faith, and grace, will do that, not the numbers of the verses or how many words there are, or how often they are used.
 
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naked = 47 times in the KJB; John 21:7 is the 37th verse that contains the word naked.


1st occurrence of the word naked is Genesis 2:25


"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

If we count the word "naked" from this verse to the end of the Bible we will arrive at the number 47.



Unfortunately along came the serpent and he says “Yea, hath God said”


“God said” = 46 times in the KJB . What did God say?


“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” (Gen 2:17)


The serpent speaks 46 words to Eve and she eats the fruit.


“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.” Genesis 3:7


If we count the word “naked” starting here we will arrive at a count of 46 and to this day we have this number in our DNA (the 46 chromosomes).


“Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace;” 1 Corinthians 4:11 (137th chapter of NT)


1 Corinthians is the 46th book of the Bible


For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.” 2 Corinthians 5:1-3

eternal = 47 times KJB

2 Corinthians is the 47th book of the Bible


“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2


“sons of God” found in 47 verses (any case) in the KJB and “Son of God” (case) is found exactly 47 times in the KJB .


I think I see a pattern here.




















I need to make a correction. "son of God" (any case) is found in 47 verses of the KJB not "sons of God"
 

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I think that I heard somewhere,

That the answer to life, the universe, and everything was 42.
Yea I heard that too . Just before the dolphins thanked me for all the fish .
Now if I can only find my bath towel,I will be set .
Blessings
Bill
 

Sagart

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I think I am going to stick with the King James Bible thank you :)
Which One Of These King James Bibles Has Perfectly Preserved The Word Of God?

I have many different copies and editions of the King James Version in my study, so I took a look at them to see how they differ. I found Matt. 4:2 especially interesting. Here is a summary of what found. Notice especially the last phrase in that verse.

Mat 4:2 And when hee had fasted forty dayes and forty nights, hee was afterward an hungred. 1611

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered. 1817

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward a hungered. 1824

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1867

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward a hungered. 1874

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1898

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, Oxford Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1917, Scofield Bible (Oxford)

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, recent, Oxford Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, recent, Cambridge Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward ahungered. 1971, American Bible Society


We find here four different renderings of the last phrase in Matt. 4:2, all them in the KJV:

he was afterward an hungered.
he was afterward a hungered.
he was afterward an hungred.
he was afterward ahungered.

Has the KJV preserved for all eternity God’s Holy Word in English? My grandmother did a better job than this of preserving her strawberries.

But that is not all! How about the readability? What English grammatical form is being rendered here, and precisely what does it mean? Do any of you King James Version readers know the answer to that question? Anglican Bishop (1613-1667) Jeremy Taylor gave us this translation, “he was afterwards an hungry.” And what is the difference between being “an hungered” (etc.) and being “hungry?” Do any of you King James Version readers know the answer to that question?

God preserved Matt. 4:2 in Greek, and the Greek text here is very plain and easy to read. The KJV is sadly confused and obscure.

The NASB, 1995, is very plain and easy to read, “He then became hungry,” an accurate, very readable translation of the Greek wording here where a third person singular active aorist indicative Greek verb is used. The very same third person singular active aorist indicative Greek verb is used in Mark 11:12 and, of course, the NASB translates this identical verb in an identical manner. In the KJV, however, this identical verb in Mark 11:12 is translated differently than it is in Matt. 4:2, using a much less precise translation than that found in the NASB.

Mark 11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry. (KJV, all editions)

Anyone, anyone at all, who is familiar with New Testament Greek and the translations of it in the KJV and NASB, 1995, knows for an absolute, incontrovertible fact that the translation of the Greek New Testament found in the NASB, 1995, is VERY much more accurate than the translation of the Greek New Testament found in any edition of KJV. Who would want to drive an old, broken-down Chevy when for the same price he could drive a new Bentley Mulsanne? A country farmer might reply, “My Chevy gets me where I’m goin’.” But that is not always true! It breaks down in Matt. 4:2, Mark 11:12, and thousands of other places in the New Testament alone!


Some people believe that a ‘57 Chevy is a better car that a 2017 Bentley Mulsanne, a motor car that features the very latest marvels in engineering, convenience, comfort, and craftsmanship—and a speed of 184 mph. (Not bad for a motor car that weighs almost three tons!). Some people believe that a ….

https://www.caranddriver.com/bentley/mulsanne
 
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Which One Of These King James Bibles Has Perfectly Preserved The Word Of God?

I have many different copies and editions of the King James Version in my study, so I took a look at them to see how they differ. I found Matt. 4:2 especially interesting. Here is a summary of what found. Notice especially the last phrase in that verse.

Mat 4:2 And when hee had fasted forty dayes and forty nights, hee was afterward an hungred. 1611

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered. 1817

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward a hungered. 1824

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1867

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward a hungered. 1874

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1898

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, Oxford Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 1917, Scofield Bible (Oxford)

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, recent, Oxford Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. No date, recent, Cambridge Bible

Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward ahungered. 1971, American Bible Society


We find here four different renderings of the last phrase in Matt. 4:2, all them in the KJV:

he was afterward an hungered.
he was afterward a hungered.
he was afterward an hungred.
he was afterward ahungered.

Has the KJV preserved for all eternity God’s Holy Word in English? My grandmother did a better job than this of preserving her strawberries.

But that is not all! How about the readability? What English grammatical form is being rendered here, and precisely what does it mean? Do any of you King James Version readers know the answer to that question? Anglican Bishop (1613-1667) Jeremy Taylor gave us this translation, “he was afterwards an hungry.” And what is the difference between being “an hungered” (etc.) and being “hungry?” Do any of you King James Version readers know the answer to that question?

God preserved Matt. 4:2 in Greek, and the Greek text here is very plain and easy to read. The KJV is sadly confused and obscure.

The NASB, 1995, is very plain and easy to read, “He then became hungry,” an accurate, very readable translation of the Greek wording here where a third person singular active aorist indicative Greek verb is used. The very same third person singular active aorist indicative Greek verb is used in Mark 11:12 and, of course, the NASB translates this identical verb in an identical manner. In the KJV, however, this identical verb in Mark 11:12 is translated differently than it is in Matt. 4:2, using a much less precise translation than that found in the NASB.

Mark 11:12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry. (KJV, all editions)

Anyone, anyone at all, who is familiar with New Testament Greek and the translations of it in the KJV and NASB, 1995, knows for an absolute, incontrovertible fact that the translation of the Greek New Testament found in the NASB, 1995, is VERY much more accurate than the translation of the Greek New Testament found in any edition of KJV. Who would want to drive an old, broken-down Chevy when for the same price he could drive a new Bentley Mulsanne? A country farmer might reply, “My Chevy gets me where I’m goin’.” But that is not always true! It breaks down in Matt. 4:2, Mark 11:12, and thousands of other places in the New Testament alone!


Some people believe that a ‘57 Chevy is a better car that a 2017 Bentley Mulsanne, a motor car that features the very latest marvels in engineering, convenience, comfort, and craftsmanship—and a speed of 184 mph. (Not bad for a motor car that weighs almost three tons!). Some people believe that a ….

https://www.caranddriver.com/bentley/mulsanne
Matters of orthography; I will stick with the King James James!

"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" Ecclesiastes 8:4
 

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I'm not seeing the reason there's 153 fish in the close of John, and how that serves to prove Jesus is the Christ.

Not by knowing that there's 47 instances of some word all across 60 odd books. That's no help at all to me.

It's like, I need to know why my check engine light is on. It is not at all useful for me to be told that each wheel has 5 lugnuts and there are 341 screws and clips in my interior, and my tailgate uses six 13mm bolts to attach. I ask a mechanic for help and he starts telling me stuff like this ((instead of pulling out a dang OBDII scanner?)), I feel like driving down to the next garage.

If he could explain some kind of connection with all the random details he's pulling off the blueprint to what my problem is, I might listen. But if he can't even do that? If all he says is there are 6 sparkplugs and 47 cubic feet of cargo space? And he's talking about a Toyota anyway and I'm driving a Ford?

What use is that mechanic to me, or anyone else?
 

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Matters of orthography; I will stick with the King James James!

"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" Ecclesiastes 8:4
It is also a matter of lexicography—and the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster and at the Oxford University (the premier makers of dictionaries of the English language) differ regarding the meaning of ‘an hungred,’ a construction that is so old and obscure that the meaning of it has yet to be established. A Japanese lexicographer of the English language, Kiku Yamakawa, has studied the issue in great depth, and differs from the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster and at Oxford University. I have also studied the issue, and learned that the construction is so obscure that the meaning of it cannot be determined with certainty. However, the construction is a translation of the Greek verb ἐπείνασεν, and the meaning of the verb is perfectly clear in the Greek text. Unfortunately, the KJV translates the verb as an adjective (hungry) in Mark 11:12, and probably in Matt. 4:2.
 
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I'm not seeing the reason there's 153 fish in the close of John, and how that serves to prove Jesus is the Christ.

Not by knowing that there's 47 instances of some word all across 60 odd books. That's no help at all to me.

It's like, I need to know why my check engine light is on. It is not at all useful for me to be told that each wheel has 5 lugnuts and there are 341 screws and clips in my interior, and my tailgate uses six 13mm bolts to attach. I ask a mechanic for help and he starts telling me stuff like this ((instead of pulling out a dang OBDII scanner?)), I feel like driving down to the next garage.

If he could explain some kind of connection with all the random details he's pulling off the blueprint to what my problem is, I might listen. But if he can't even do that? If all he says is there are 6 sparkplugs and 47 cubic feet of cargo space? And he's talking about a Toyota anyway and I'm driving a Ford?

What use is that mechanic to me, or anyone else?
The disciples toiled all night fishing and caught nothing and you expect 153 fish to fall out of the sky into your lap. I will follow the clues in the King James Bible as I find them
 

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Matters of orthography; I will stick with the King James James!

"Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?" Ecclesiastes 8:4
ALL of your numerology posts are dependent upon the orthography of the KJV, and that orthography has changed numerous times over the years, and it continues to vary from one printing of the KJV to another! Therefore, we ask, “Which printing of the KJV are your posts based upon? Which printing of the KJV is the word of God, and which ones are not?”

On the other hand, are you in reality copying information from some websites without even knowing which printing of the KJV the websites are using?
 

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It is also a matter of lexicography—and the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster and at the Oxford University (the premier makers of dictionaries of the English language) differ regarding the meaning of ‘an hungred,’ a construction that is so old and obscure that the meaning of it has yet to be established. A Japanese lexicographer of the English language, Kiku Yamakawa, has studied the issue in great depth, and differs from the lexicographers at Merriam-Webster and at Oxford University. I have also studied the issue, and learned that the construction is so obscure that the meaning of it cannot be determined with certainty. However, the construction is a translation of the Greek verb ἐπείνασεν, and the meaning of the verb is perfectly clear in the Greek text. Unfortunately, the KJV translates the verb as an adjective (hungry) in Mark 11:12, and probably in Matt. 4:2.
Hi Saggart,

Of course, there is much a big difference because Japanese is still Japanese and the English is still the English and how clear is that when your probability makes unsure. You may not have not studied well. The cut and paste does no well for your soul.

The same through with this grandmother does not know anything about the preservation of God’s Holy word in English.


No, the text is not “…being an hungered” but “…he was afterward an hungred” which the Cambridge literally does so well in preserving the 1611 text of the KJV. It seems the cut and paste of yours is a bit shoddy researched and I am not impressed. Perhaps, you have to look for a good dictionary to end this folly. “Hungred” is still a legitimate English word!

HUN'GRED, adjective Hungry; pinched by want of food.
Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - hungred

Again, God did preserve Matthew 4:2 in English so well not only in the Greek. In fact, the Greek is not very plain and easy to read for me and your cut and paste stands obscure and confusing. In fact, the earlier post has not presented any Greek letters or words, not a bit. The dictionary which failed to be posted for a sort of study that the English word “hungred” is no different for the English word “hungry” and looked at the very footnote of the 1995 NASB stating it as “afterward became hungry.” The KJV is still precise in its text that Jesus when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward he was hungry. This is a direct declaration knowing that “hungred” is the same as “hungry”. You tend to favor the Greek yet there is no found Greek for the word “became” in the NASB that was cited.

Nasb 1995 Matt. 4:2 And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He [SUP][a][/SUP]then became hungry.
Footnote:
1. Matthew 4:2 Lit later became; or afterward became

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[TD]N-AFP
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[TD]5305 [e]
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[TD]hysteron
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[TD]ὕστερον
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[TD]afterward
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[TD]Adv
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[TD]3983 [e]
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[TD]epeinasen
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[TD]ἐπείνασεν.
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[TD]he was hungry.
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[TD]V-AIA-3S
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Greek Texts

Matthew 4:2 Greek Text Analysis
 

posthuman

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I think that I heard somewhere,

That the answer to life, the universe, and everything was 42.

But they said, "You can't understand what the answer means, Unless you know what the question is."

----

This seems like the situation here.

Lot's of answers, but there is no question, to be answered.

Which makes the answers, vain and without meaning.

That is, the numbers won't lead you to eternal life.

Only love, faith, and grace, will do that, not the numbers of the verses or how many words there are, or how often they are used.
yeah;

it's like if you were from medieval europe and were placed in the cockpit of the space shuttle. if you were literate, you could read some of the dials and readouts - but you would have no idea what any of them mean and no idea how to put the information they showed you together. if someone asks you for a % flightworthy for a projected re-entry - and you don't know what the question means, what anything the craft is really telling you is, but you see some repeated numbers or series or scales -

- you have the pieces of the answer in data and information you don't comprehend, because you don't know what the question is.





















((i heard it's "what do you get if you multiply six by nine?"))
 

trofimus

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I think that I heard somewhere,

That the answer to life, the universe, and everything was 42.

But they said, "You can't understand what the answer means, Unless you know what the question is."

----

This seems like the situation here.

Lot's of answers, but there is no question, to be answered.

Which makes the answers, vain and without meaning.

That is, the numbers won't lead you to eternal life.

Only love, faith, and grace, will do that, not the numbers of the verses or how many words there are, or how often they are used.
Exactly. All these posts about various numbers actually do not bring any information, because nobody needs to know it.


I have no idea what to do with the statement that
"153 happens to be the the 17th triangular number"

or that
"In the King James Bible both the names of Peter and Paul are found in 153 verses each."

and similar.
 
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