The King James Only Debate
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Well until you are willing to be honest with yourself I guess you will just go around in a delusion.
Open up a bible dictionary and see the word quicken defined in modern English. It's not sin to use a bible dictionary to bring clarity to the text.
02421
חיה chayah khaw-yaw’
a primitive root compare 02331; v; BDB-310b
{See TWOT on 644 }
AV-live 153, alive 34, save 13, quicken 14, revive 12, surely 10, life 9, recover 8, misc 9; 262
1) to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to live
1a1a) to have life
1a1b) to continue in life, remain alive
1a1c) to sustain life, to live on or upon
1a1d) to live (prosperously)
1a2) to revive, be quickened
1a2a) from sickness
1a2b) from discouragement
1a2c) from faintness
1a2d) from death
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to preserve alive, let live
1b2) to give life
1b3) to quicken, revive, refresh
1b3a) to restore to life
1b3b) to cause to grow
1b3c) to restore
1b3d) to revive
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to preserve alive, let live
1c2) to quicken, revive
1c2a) to restore (to health)
1c2b) to revive
1c2c) to restore to life
Much easier than going to the Strongs and the Greek.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Open up a bible dictionary and see the word quicken defined in modern English. It's not sin to use a bible dictionary to bring clarity to the text.
02421
חיה chayah khaw-yaw’
a primitive root compare 02331; v; BDB-310b
{See TWOT on 644 }
AV-live 153, alive 34, save 13, quicken 14, revive 12, surely 10, life 9, recover 8, misc 9; 262
1) to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to live
1a1a) to have life
1a1b) to continue in life, remain alive
1a1c) to sustain life, to live on or upon
1a1d) to live (prosperously)
1a2) to revive, be quickened
1a2a) from sickness
1a2b) from discouragement
1a2c) from faintness
1a2d) from death
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to preserve alive, let live
1b2) to give life
1b3) to quicken, revive, refresh
1b3a) to restore to life
1b3b) to cause to grow
1b3c) to restore
1b3d) to revive
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to preserve alive, let live
1c2) to quicken, revive
1c2a) to restore (to health)
1c2b) to revive
1c2c) to restore to life
Much easier than going to the Strongs and the Greek.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You are right and I get what you're saying here, and I agree with you. The last example you gave is no different than here and I also agree that both the KJV and NA27 are both good on that verse. Now that you have compared scripture with scripture on those passages, take a look at some other examples where it doesn't pan out that the NA27 is right. Find another passage in the NA27 that confirms that Jesus is God's one and son.
[h=1]John 3:16New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.[/FONT]
[h=1]John 3:16New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="]16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.[/FONT]
Ya but the KJV did not use the Vulgate. The first English translated Vulgate was from John Wycliffe and even then the papacy had issues with that where they demanded after he died for his bones to be crushed and scattered in the river. Even Wycliffe felt the need to oppose the Catholcis. John Hus, who supported his idea of people being able to read the scriptures in their own language was burned at the stake in 1415, with Wycliffe's manuscripts as kindle for the fire. The last words of John Hus were that, “in 100 years, God will raise up a man whose calls for reform cannot be suppressed.” Almost exactly 100 years later, in 1517, Martin Luther nailed his famous 95 Theses of Contention (a list of 95 issues of heretical theology and crimes of the Roman Catholic Church) into the church door at Wittenberg.
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I already answered you plenty of times with the same answer. You act as if we don't ALREADY have a preserved word, aka the KJV. You only want to update it bc you dont understand yet in the previous post you say it would still be flawed so i dont understand. People are saved regardless w/o having a KJV but the argument is if we are going to have a bible to rely on without it being corrupted it will be the KJV it was purified 7 times it needs no more. Just look at the very first sentence of the KJV and the NKJV already a error within the first sentence and you believe we can somehow improve it.
This is sort of off-topic, but has/does anyone use the Touchpoint bible, NLT? How do you like it? For me, it's easier to understand than my KJV is.. 
That I would use the Greek and Hebrew but I also generally trust the NASB and the KJV unless I get a "witness" on the inside of me from the Holy Spirit that says 'This is not complete or it is inaccurate" - then I search the original language scriptures.
How many of you guys can see the book of David's DNA in this verse. Also do you see the body of Christ in this verse.
Psalm 139:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
Psalm 139:16New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.
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No, What you have done is use the same arguments all you people use. You think your the first person I have discussed this with? (I actually at one time believed as you do)
No english bible can be completely relied on. because the english language is flawed.
You have done absolutelu NOTHING to refute that FACT
You could not even respond to the three points I made, and you expect me to listen to you??
and you did not answer my question as to why God would hod english people above all other people. and why he did not preserve his the words he origionally wrote..
No english bible can be completely relied on. because the english language is flawed.
You have done absolutelu NOTHING to refute that FACT
You could not even respond to the three points I made, and you expect me to listen to you??
and you did not answer my question as to why God would hod english people above all other people. and why he did not preserve his the words he origionally wrote..