The Kingdom of God on earth and the rapture to heaven.
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What do you meany by "satans world"?
Are you saying that EVERYONE thats died up till now, are misled brothers, and cling to "satans world"? (Including the Lords prophets of old? Even the Lord Himself?)
I thought this was the Lords footstool? Which is it?
Okay...so where is this wilderness that you will proudly die in? (remember that the "wilderness" that Israel wondered around in for 40 years, was a representation of "satans world" ^^)
Are you saying that EVERYONE thats died up till now, are misled brothers, and cling to "satans world"? (Including the Lords prophets of old? Even the Lord Himself?)
I thought this was the Lords footstool? Which is it?
Okay...so where is this wilderness that you will proudly die in? (remember that the "wilderness" that Israel wondered around in for 40 years, was a representation of "satans world" ^^)
Hello Prove-All,
You have to look at the entire context. Prior to the part of the verse that you quoted Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many rooms." Then he said, "if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
Therefore, Jesus said that He was going to the Father's house to prepare places for us, which could only be referring to heaven. Then He said " I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
Therefore, since Jesus went to prepare places for us in the Father's house, which is in heaven and he is coming back to take us to be with Him, then He is coming to take us back to heaven where he went to prepare those rooms for us. This really needs no explanation, as it is very clear in its meaning.
You have to look at the entire context. Prior to the part of the verse that you quoted Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many rooms." Then he said, "if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
Therefore, Jesus said that He was going to the Father's house to prepare places for us, which could only be referring to heaven. Then He said " I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
Therefore, since Jesus went to prepare places for us in the Father's house, which is in heaven and he is coming back to take us to be with Him, then He is coming to take us back to heaven where he went to prepare those rooms for us. This really needs no explanation, as it is very clear in its meaning.
it really is a waste of time, the pre tribulation rapture and 7 year period and all that stuff comes from man, Not God.
matthew 24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Just this is enough really. for anyone to claim these events have already Happened, or that the elect are gathered before the tribulation simply refuse to believe Jesus Word about it
His return is what Christians are waiting for, thats the Only rapture there is when He returns and Gathers the elect in Christ. Heres some more
Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
1 thessolonians 4 :For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
the same thing Jesus says He will appear and Gather His people. Im really not sure How all of the interpretations came about, but it sure Gets really far from the truth. when Jesus returns thats the end of this realm and the beginning of the New things. there is no rapture as people talk of it. the Only rapture is when Jesus returns after the tribulation to gather Us and Fulfill His promises.
matthew 24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Just this is enough really. for anyone to claim these events have already Happened, or that the elect are gathered before the tribulation simply refuse to believe Jesus Word about it
His return is what Christians are waiting for, thats the Only rapture there is when He returns and Gathers the elect in Christ. Heres some more
Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
1 thessolonians 4 :For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
the same thing Jesus says He will appear and Gather His people. Im really not sure How all of the interpretations came about, but it sure Gets really far from the truth. when Jesus returns thats the end of this realm and the beginning of the New things. there is no rapture as people talk of it. the Only rapture is when Jesus returns after the tribulation to gather Us and Fulfill His promises.
Don't you think that the believers who will have been changed and caught up will have had the characteristic of meekness when they were in their immortal bodies prior to becoming eternal? Just because the church is caught up doesn't mean that they were not meek when they were on the earth in their mortal bodies.
Why do you ignore the fact that Jesus said that he was going to the Father's house to prepare places for all believers and that he was coming back to get us and to take us back to those places in the Father's house that he prepared for us?
Why do you ignore the fact that Jesus said that he was going to the Father's house to prepare places for all believers and that he was coming back to get us and to take us back to those places in the Father's house that he prepared for us?
Jesus Christ
He said " I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
the bible does not say they go back to heaven,
Christ returns once to earth, out of the clouds,
Christ that very day will be on earth, not in heaven
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...dom-god-earth-rapture-heaven.html#post3286190
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earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house which is [from] heaven:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...dom-god-earth-rapture-heaven.html#post3286428
He said " I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
the bible does not say they go back to heaven,
Christ returns once to earth, out of the clouds,
Christ that very day will be on earth, not in heaven
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...dom-god-earth-rapture-heaven.html#post3286190
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earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house which is [from] heaven:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...dom-god-earth-rapture-heaven.html#post3286428
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Amil works the best he will come on the last day, the day the former heaven and earth is rolled up like a scroll thrown into the fiery judgement of God. He will not reign in the flesh on a sin filled world that he purposely corrupted.
The kingdom of God is not of this world as if flesh and blood could enter it. God corrupted it, its aging, dying in a process of death and total destruction (up in smoke) made of the rudiments (atoms and molecules) .
There will new new kind of flesh not after the rudiments of this world...Neither male not female Jew nor gentile just the bride of Christ the church.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:1Co 15:38
In the resurrection of the dead . They will not remeber the former things of this world they will never come to mind. The moment our spirit departs to be with him the first resurrection, its universal Alzheimers for all flesh.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Not in this world.Missing loved ones will become a thing of the past
The kingdom of God is not of this world as if flesh and blood could enter it. God corrupted it, its aging, dying in a process of death and total destruction (up in smoke) made of the rudiments (atoms and molecules) .
There will new new kind of flesh not after the rudiments of this world...Neither male not female Jew nor gentile just the bride of Christ the church.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:1Co 15:38
In the resurrection of the dead . They will not remeber the former things of this world they will never come to mind. The moment our spirit departs to be with him the first resurrection, its universal Alzheimers for all flesh.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Not in this world.Missing loved ones will become a thing of the past
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I would think those meek that have received their new incorruptible bodies the second resurrection which not after the rudiments, flesh and blood of this corrupted creation but as the chaste virgin bride of Christ would no longer be male or female, neither Jew nor Gentile.
New, not reconditioned. Passed away, not turned around
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
In that way its what prophecy does inform of the things not seen.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
New, not reconditioned. Passed away, not turned around
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
In that way its what prophecy does inform of the things not seen.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Since I made no reference to the meek who will inherit the earth, let's leave that out of this discussion. It is all the naysayers who are now coming out of the woodwork and denying -- flatly denying -- that Jesus said that He would take His saints to the Father's house where He has prepared mansions for them.
And speaking of mansions, there are other naysayers who deny that there could actually be mansions in the New Jerusalem and that God will provide just "rooms" (which is mistranslation for the Greek monai, which means dwelling places or abodes). You will find that ridiculous mistranslation in the NIV, ESV, ISV, and other modern Bibles.
So you have several choices: (1) Deny that John 14 is Scripture and the actual words of Christ, (2) deny that the Father's abode is in Heaven, (3) deny that there will actually be a Rapture, or (4) frankly acknowledge that you have are seriously mistaken about this matter, and that you will reject your existing beliefs.
As to who will inhabit the earth in the Millennium and beyond (including the meek), we know from Scripture that there will be a redeemed and restored Israel on earth, and that there will also be saved nations on earth after the New Heavens and the New Earth are established. But the New Jerusalem will be the eternal home of the Church, and it will remain a heavenly city even after it descends from God's Heaven. It does not descend to the earth.
And speaking of mansions, there are other naysayers who deny that there could actually be mansions in the New Jerusalem and that God will provide just "rooms" (which is mistranslation for the Greek monai, which means dwelling places or abodes). You will find that ridiculous mistranslation in the NIV, ESV, ISV, and other modern Bibles.
So you have several choices: (1) Deny that John 14 is Scripture and the actual words of Christ, (2) deny that the Father's abode is in Heaven, (3) deny that there will actually be a Rapture, or (4) frankly acknowledge that you have are seriously mistaken about this matter, and that you will reject your existing beliefs.
As to who will inhabit the earth in the Millennium and beyond (including the meek), we know from Scripture that there will be a redeemed and restored Israel on earth, and that there will also be saved nations on earth after the New Heavens and the New Earth are established. But the New Jerusalem will be the eternal home of the Church, and it will remain a heavenly city even after it descends from God's Heaven. It does not descend to the earth.
how to survive the great tribulation? It interesting question. I believe we have to start to prepare now. Seem to me the most effective weapon to prepare is, start learn not focusing earthly thing, like wealth and fame. As long as we love money, fame, health, it will be difficult to see, government seized our business for those who own big business, no body buy or sale without the mark. It mean no more ac,nice car and luxury life style for who ever not take the mark.
Those are words of Christ, but that verse does not say heaven is your reward.
that would be in direct conflict about the meek[saints] would inherit the earth.
Paul says:we earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon]
with our house which is [from] heaven
Paul uses the tabernacle to represent our earthly house/body
our mortal bodies are clothed in immortality, changed in the twinkling of an eye.
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no man has even been to Heaven where the Father dwells, besides Christ
John 1:18 (KJV)
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
yes, no one has denied this, the Father is on [His] throne
Matthew 6:9-10
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed
be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man
standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:55 (KJV)
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven,
and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Mark 16:19 (KJV)
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
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the bible says Christ will soon take over the kingdoms of this world.
Revelation 11:15 (KJV)
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
do you mean saints going to heaven in the tribulation?
there is no such verses to confirm this theory.
do you mean hidden from the tribulation, that is possible.
Zephaniah 2:3 (KJV)
Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment;
seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.
I believe God did not lie when he said "the meek" will inherit the earth.
again Do you believe God lied when he said this, a direct quote from the bible?
you say we inherit heaven.
you say it decends from heaven,
so it then would not no more be in heaven,
and not decend all the way to earth?
where does it go then, "decends from heaven" but " not to earth" ?
that would be in direct conflict about the meek[saints] would inherit the earth.
Paul says:we earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon]
with our house which is [from] heaven
Paul uses the tabernacle to represent our earthly house/body
our mortal bodies are clothed in immortality, changed in the twinkling of an eye.
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no man has even been to Heaven where the Father dwells, besides Christ
John 1:18 (KJV)
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
yes, no one has denied this, the Father is on [His] throne
Matthew 6:9-10
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed
be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Matthew 5:48 (KJV)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man
standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:55 (KJV)
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven,
and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Mark 16:19 (KJV)
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven,
and sat on the right hand of God.
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the bible says Christ will soon take over the kingdoms of this world.
Revelation 11:15 (KJV)
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
do you mean saints going to heaven in the tribulation?
there is no such verses to confirm this theory.
do you mean hidden from the tribulation, that is possible.
Zephaniah 2:3 (KJV)
Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment;
seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.
I believe God did not lie when he said "the meek" will inherit the earth.
again Do you believe God lied when he said this, a direct quote from the bible?
you say we inherit heaven.
you say it decends from heaven,
so it then would not no more be in heaven,
and not decend all the way to earth?
where does it go then, "decends from heaven" but " not to earth" ?
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From Kaijo;
What do you meany by "satans world"?
Well… what would you call the world today then ????
WHO do you say is the one bound for 1000 years, when our Lord returns ? WHO is the ruler of this sick world today preparing for nuclear war, and already destroying it with pollution? WHO is responsible for BILLIONS living and dying in poverty? (God’s footstool will SHARE the world).
Only the RICH and comfortable… love this world. ONLY a fool will deny this Is “Satan’s world”, and the very reason for the great tribulation…to destroy it TOTALLY. OK ?
READ Math 4;8-10 h “ALL the kingdoms of the world” , AND Satans rules UNTIL the WRATH of GOD is ended at HarMagedon. God’s WAR against GOG led by Satan.
The END of Satans world.
Silly case… closed !
Are you saying that EVERYONE thats died up till now, are misled brothers, and cling to "satans world"? (Including the Lords prophets of old? Even the Lord Himself?)
NO my fried...they were NOT at end time as we are today. So the faithful rest, and will be resurrected in our day. Some to heavenly life some to earthly life.
NOT…EVERYONE goes to heaven as false Christ CHURCHES teach.
I thought this was the Lords footstool? Which is it?
Yes it is supposed to be and will be… WHEN we build the HOUSE of YHWH. Please do read Isaiah 2, and 66.(for starters).
Okay...so where is this wilderness that you will proudly die in? (remember that the "wilderness" that Israel wondered around in for 40 years, was a representation of "satans world" ).
Ummm…I see you left out ….”OR survive to the Lord's day in the wilderness”. Nasty nasty !!!!
It is good and correct though that you connect the Exodus of that day to an Exodus Today.
That EXODUS was the flight from enslavement and “to the promised land” which could most definitely have been accomplished within a year. BUT… ended up as 40 years in the wilderness because of IDOL worship. So… that is why I posted Malachi 4 previously… for EXODUS TODAY.h; 4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, withthe statutes and judgments.
Also; do you know that by far the majority of people today are enslaved 8-5 every day, wasting their lives away just to make ends meet, and BILLIONS in total poverty and dying.
Is that fine with you ?
Malachi 4;
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.(eating and drinking IN satans world).
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (Flee to the wilderness to live GOD'S WAY)
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, withthe statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: ("The voice in the wilderness" preaching the good news of the Kingdom...in the spirit of Elijah).
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with total destruction.
(Do read JOEL 2 please, in the day of cloud and thick gloom. CH 3 too h; blessings on us and destruction on others 17-21).
REPEAT; "WE" are part of JUDAH- followers of the lion of JUDAH... Jesus .
At end times we are “The Israel of God” or the WHOLE house of Jacob…sons of Abraham )
Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentiles.(Christians), as was the original Ekklisia (Church), in our Lord’s day.
Isaiah 2; The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah (followers of Yeshua (Jesus), and Jerusalem.(holy land).
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of YHWH’s house shall be established [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of YHWH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]the law, and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem. (Headquarters, where our Lord returns to) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And he will judge [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]c[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of YHWH.
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[TD]7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
So clearly then, this is GOD’s earthly house as we flee satans Babylon, and at present, Jesus is in heaven preparing God’s heavenly house for the heavenly “chosen ones”.
NOT all Christians go to heaven.
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[TD]Isaiah 65:
11 “But as for you who forsake the Lord
and forget my holy mountain,
who spread a table for Fortune
and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,
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[TD]Isaiah 66:
20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels.
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So my brothers...DO YOU SEE how the whole Bible leads to the truth, and NOT just "faith in our lord and heaven", as taught by the false Christ CHURCHES… using the Greek testament only.
USE the WHOLE BIBLE to find the truth, not just bits and pieces to tickle your ear.
What do you meany by "satans world"?
Well… what would you call the world today then ????
WHO do you say is the one bound for 1000 years, when our Lord returns ? WHO is the ruler of this sick world today preparing for nuclear war, and already destroying it with pollution? WHO is responsible for BILLIONS living and dying in poverty? (God’s footstool will SHARE the world).
Only the RICH and comfortable… love this world. ONLY a fool will deny this Is “Satan’s world”, and the very reason for the great tribulation…to destroy it TOTALLY. OK ?
READ Math 4;8-10 h “ALL the kingdoms of the world” , AND Satans rules UNTIL the WRATH of GOD is ended at HarMagedon. God’s WAR against GOG led by Satan.
The END of Satans world.
Silly case… closed !
Are you saying that EVERYONE thats died up till now, are misled brothers, and cling to "satans world"? (Including the Lords prophets of old? Even the Lord Himself?)
NO my fried...they were NOT at end time as we are today. So the faithful rest, and will be resurrected in our day. Some to heavenly life some to earthly life.
NOT…EVERYONE goes to heaven as false Christ CHURCHES teach.
I thought this was the Lords footstool? Which is it?
Yes it is supposed to be and will be… WHEN we build the HOUSE of YHWH. Please do read Isaiah 2, and 66.(for starters).
Okay...so where is this wilderness that you will proudly die in? (remember that the "wilderness" that Israel wondered around in for 40 years, was a representation of "satans world" ).
Ummm…I see you left out ….”OR survive to the Lord's day in the wilderness”. Nasty nasty !!!!
It is good and correct though that you connect the Exodus of that day to an Exodus Today.
That EXODUS was the flight from enslavement and “to the promised land” which could most definitely have been accomplished within a year. BUT… ended up as 40 years in the wilderness because of IDOL worship. So… that is why I posted Malachi 4 previously… for EXODUS TODAY.h; 4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, withthe statutes and judgments.
Also; do you know that by far the majority of people today are enslaved 8-5 every day, wasting their lives away just to make ends meet, and BILLIONS in total poverty and dying.
Is that fine with you ?
Malachi 4;
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.(eating and drinking IN satans world).
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (Flee to the wilderness to live GOD'S WAY)
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, withthe statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: ("The voice in the wilderness" preaching the good news of the Kingdom...in the spirit of Elijah).
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with total destruction.
(Do read JOEL 2 please, in the day of cloud and thick gloom. CH 3 too h; blessings on us and destruction on others 17-21).
REPEAT; "WE" are part of JUDAH- followers of the lion of JUDAH... Jesus .
At end times we are “The Israel of God” or the WHOLE house of Jacob…sons of Abraham )
Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentiles.(Christians), as was the original Ekklisia (Church), in our Lord’s day.
Isaiah 2; The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah (followers of Yeshua (Jesus), and Jerusalem.(holy land).
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of YHWH’s house shall be established [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of YHWH, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]the law, and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem. (Headquarters, where our Lord returns to) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And he will judge [SUP][[/SUP][SUP]c[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of YHWH.
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[TD]7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations.”
So clearly then, this is GOD’s earthly house as we flee satans Babylon, and at present, Jesus is in heaven preparing God’s heavenly house for the heavenly “chosen ones”.
NOT all Christians go to heaven.
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[TD]Isaiah 65:
11 “But as for you who forsake the Lord
and forget my holy mountain,
who spread a table for Fortune
and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,
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[TD]Isaiah 66:
20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels.
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So my brothers...DO YOU SEE how the whole Bible leads to the truth, and NOT just "faith in our lord and heaven", as taught by the false Christ CHURCHES… using the Greek testament only.
USE the WHOLE BIBLE to find the truth, not just bits and pieces to tickle your ear.
@ Allenbee
Okay good points.
I wont jump on the "gang bash" wagon.
I suppose i just took offense that you said:
"Those who die IN satans world are misled brothers, and have chosen to cling to satans world, as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot."
Coz i CERTAINLY dont "choose" to cling to satans world. Yet its likely that i will die here. I dont get to choose. Only HE will decide that. Regardless of "my" will.
So then i will rejoice instead. And the more suffering i endure for His name sake, the MORE i will rejoice ^^...Even till death, in satans world.
I might have missed it... but, where do u think the wilderness is again? Coz to me, it still means in "this" world.
Coz if your taking it from Revelation 12:5-6 ...
[FONT="]5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
[/FONT]...then that , to me, still means "in" satans world. In other words...its the Church "scattered" into the world, after Jesus' departure....when He left us the first time.
Okay good points.
I wont jump on the "gang bash" wagon.
I suppose i just took offense that you said:
"Those who die IN satans world are misled brothers, and have chosen to cling to satans world, as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot."
Coz i CERTAINLY dont "choose" to cling to satans world. Yet its likely that i will die here. I dont get to choose. Only HE will decide that. Regardless of "my" will.
So then i will rejoice instead. And the more suffering i endure for His name sake, the MORE i will rejoice ^^...Even till death, in satans world.
I might have missed it... but, where do u think the wilderness is again? Coz to me, it still means in "this" world.
Coz if your taking it from Revelation 12:5-6 ...
[FONT="]5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
[/FONT]...then that , to me, still means "in" satans world. In other words...its the Church "scattered" into the world, after Jesus' departure....when He left us the first time.