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JesusLives

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On CC, we also know this has gone deeper to the point of cults pushing Christianity is the word of God plus Ellen White or Charles Russell or Herbert Armstrong, Hebrew roots, etc. All of these groups have perverted clear New Testament teachings, and the strangest thing that always screams the loudest, is they will not admit who they are, rather slink around, slipping in their false doctrines, pushing bondage. And one thing that can be said for Catholics, they don't hide who they are.
I am sorry you feel that way about me. I didn't think I was slinking around I didn't know I was pushing false doctrines and I didn't know I was promoting Ellen White to everyone on the site, but if you say I have been doing that then I guess I have it must be fact because you said so.

You are my friend and I am a Seventh Day Adventist, but I'd like to point out that I am a Christian first and follow Jesus and accept His free gift of salvation that is offered to me through His blood and by grace. Ellen Whites writings are not in place of the Bible and the Bible is my guide book. Like I said I am sorry you feel that way about me.

I do worship on 7th day Sabbath and just got back from church, but only because God wrote and said to Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy and that He is the creator God and He blessed it, hallowed it, sanctified it and said it was a sign between me and Him. That's why I do a lot of the things I do because God asked me to do them. I believe the 10 commandments are God's rules of His government and it is His list of expectations and that list shows us what sin is and why we need a Savior. If I didn't have those rules I wouldn't know I was sinning as it has been said sin is transgression of the law. And the wages of sin is death, but Jesus paid that death for me and He has saved this SDA as well as you and the rest who have accepted His gift of salvation.
 
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I am sorry you feel that way about me. I didn't think I was slinking around I didn't know I was pushing false doctrines and I didn't know I was promoting Ellen White to everyone on the site, but if you say I have been doing that then I guess I have it must be fact because you said so.

You are my friend and I am a Seventh Day Adventist, but I'd like to point out that I am a Christian first and follow Jesus and accept His free gift of salvation that is offered to me through His blood and by grace. Ellen Whites writings are not in place of the Bible and the Bible is my guide book. Like I said I am sorry you feel that way about me.

I do worship on 7th day Sabbath and just got back from church, but only because God wrote and said to Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy and that He is the creator God and He blessed it, hallowed it, sanctified it and said it was a sign between me and Him. That's why I do a lot of the things I do because God asked me to do them. I believe the 10 commandments are God's rules of His government and it is His list of expectations and that list shows us what sin is and why we need a Savior. If I didn't have those rules I wouldn't know I was sinning as it has been said sin is transgression of the law. And the wages of sin is death, but Jesus paid that death for me and He has saved this SDA as well as you and the rest who have accepted His gift of salvation.
Actually, I've never said this of you, have only confronted some characters here who were sneakily pushing cults, all the SDA websites that even have to hide who they are. But, if it's true you find virtue in pushing Ellen White, as opposed to Paul, then some of us are going to take issue, and myself, if only me. That which perverts New Testament Christianity, contrary to verses just posted, is offensive to some of us, most especially any notion what you eat or what day you do has a scintilla of added virtue others lack, that anybody who believes Paul, and that is Almighty God's inspired word, is lacking. I, for one, don't need any also-ran false prophet from the 1800's, inventing some Jew-lite faith that doesn't exist.
 

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Actually, I've never said this of you, have only confronted some characters here who were sneakily pushing cults, all the SDA websites that even have to hide who they are. But, if it's true you find virtue in pushing Ellen White, as opposed to Paul, then some of us are going to take issue, and myself, if only me. That which perverts New Testament Christianity, contrary to verses just posted, is offensive to some of us, most especially any notion what you eat or what day you do has a scintilla of added virtue others lack, that anybody who believes Paul, and that is Almighty God's inspired word, is lacking. I, for one, don't need any also-ran false prophet from the 1800's, inventing some Jew-lite faith that doesn't exist.
Sorry you feel like I am pushing Ellen White. I was speaking more to your generalization of people as I don't believe we all fit into the same general mold that you are trying to put us in. Some of us think outside the box and I follow Jesus not Ellen not Paul or any other man and his teachings. I am following God.
 
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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Love God and you neighbour and you will fullfill all that is of God

We are not under any of the hebrew laws.

Your sin is either dealt with or its not.

The blood covers all sin. It is dealt with now and for ever.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

God doesnt condem us. And this is the condemnation.

As for the sabbath
6 “But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 “But if you had known what this means, ‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Lord of the Sabbath

8 “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

This is why we are in the sabbath in Him 24/7

Yes gather among like minded. Forget saturday and sunday. You are not under the law.
 
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Sorry you feel like I am pushing Ellen White. I was speaking more to your generalization of people as I don't believe we all fit into the same general mold that you are trying to put us in. Some of us think outside the box and I follow Jesus not Ellen not Paul or any other man and his teachings. I am following God.
This gets to the bottom of things. Okay, so you reject the Holy Spirit inspiration of Paul, then, therefore throwing out chunks of clear scripture. We all know this, and I applaud your admitting to it. You are absolutely free to follow whatever doctrine suits you, make up your own, even. But don't expect apostasy to be well received, from those of us who believe every word of the Bible is holy and from God, from Jesus Christ you are claiming to follow, or on that basis expect some to receive anything that makes God a liar.
 

JesusLives

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This gets to the bottom of things. Okay, so you reject the Holy Spirit inspiration of Paul, then, therefore throwing out chunks of clear scripture. We all know this, and I applaud your admitting to it. You are absolutely free to follow whatever doctrine suits you, make up your own, even. But don't expect apostasy to be well received, from those of us who believe every word of the Bible is holy and from God, from Jesus Christ you are claiming to follow, or on that basis expect some to receive anything that makes God a liar.
You are missing my point totally. I believe the Bible is inspired and that it tells me to check what men say against it. I don't not believe what Paul said. But I am admonished to check what men say against the Bible to make sure it is sound truth. I would much rather hear people say that Jesus said instead of any other human, but I do get tired of hearing the human said above what Jesus said.

You seem to have a lot of preconceived ideas about what an SDA believes or what I myself believe and I am just trying to tell you that you don't know my heart or the heart of any other person you generalized about. I thank God that He does know my heart and He will be my judge. Have you gotten the idea that I am not crazy about generalizations about people yet?

A lot of times when people do that they have not fully studied that particular subject/religion and they are just going on what someone else told them or what they have gleaned off of the internet. I say unless you have studied it for yourself in depth the please don't make a blanket statement about that subject.

Now if you were a former SDA and walked away from the church then I apologize as you would be very well versed in that denomination. Other wise your generalization is possible hearsay.
 
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Y I don't not believe what Paul said. .
I am guessing you mean paul of the bible?

If yes then you should listen to what paul says because he only said what Jesus whould say if he was in place of Paul.

Its either divinly inspired word of God or not. Not our choise.
 

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I am not saying saved by following the commandments but they are not abolished. We are saved, become a child of God and in response to our gift of salvation we obey His commandments and keep His Seventh Day Holy. Enough said. Follow out of simple respect and love for God our Father who in the first commandment says: Love God the Father with all your heart, mind and soul. Amen.
When the Priesthood passed away due to a better Priest, so did those laws and regulations under that priesthood. Christ Jesus our High Priest has established His Kingdom rules which in some cases overlap the earlier ones but not always.."You have heard it said 'An eye for an eye but I say unto you' etc".

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
 

SoulWeaver

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JesusLives, youre my friend on here, I know you love Jesus first so how can I not love you whatever your convictions are, and so far I havent heard you say anything unsound of doctrine. If you feel convicted to honor the Sabbath thats OK you do it for God not for men, those who honor every day alike also do it for God not for what men think. The Bible says that we shouldnt cause doubt and stumbling through days observance or dietary laws to each other. Maybe your congregation is good, but this is something a lot of SDA members are doing as a group, they try to cause other believers to doubt their salvation in Jesus, especially online, they are like on some crusade against other believers.

A lot of people from sda hates Paul and they have theories that Paul is not an apostle appointed by God, that he does not belong in the Bible, etc... google sda paul false apostle if you are not acquainted with this. People are not disturbed with individuals personally being convicted to have saturday as their church day, but with the fact that sda as a group is commonly rejecting the inspired Word of God and trying to force others to worship on saturday claiming that everyone else is wrong. Nobody is wrong, days observance is now simply a matter of personal conviction before God as written in Romans 14.

If I dont believe that God is able to preserve His Word, why should I believe the gospels were preserved? Where does it end? Hope this explains the sharp replies...

God Bless
 

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​I worship on Sunday because that's the day that my family and I always went to church on, my entire life. It really makes no difference which day you worship on, because we should be worshipping him EVERY day!! :)
 

JesusLives

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JesusLives, youre my friend on here, I know you love Jesus first so how can I not love you whatever your convictions are, and so far I havent heard you say anything unsound of doctrine. If you feel convicted to honor the Sabbath thats OK you do it for God not for men, those who honor every day alike also do it for God not for what men think. The Bible says that we shouldnt cause doubt and stumbling through days observance or dietary laws to each other. Maybe your congregation is good, but this is something a lot of SDA members are doing as a group, they try to cause other believers to doubt their salvation in Jesus, especially online, they are like on some crusade against other believers.

A lot of people from sda hates Paul and they have theories that Paul is not an apostle appointed by God, that he does not belong in the Bible, etc... google sda paul false apostle if you are not acquainted with this. People are not disturbed with individuals personally being convicted to have saturday as their church day, but with the fact that sda as a group is commonly rejecting the inspired Word of God and trying to force others to worship on saturday claiming that everyone else is wrong. Nobody is wrong, days observance is now simply a matter of personal conviction before God as written in Romans 14.

If I dont believe that God is able to preserve His Word, why should I believe the gospels were preserved? Where does it end? Hope this explains the sharp replies...

God Bless
Thanks for your post....I guess I just march to the beat of a different drum as I do believe the Bible in it's entirety. Including Paul who was also a Sabbath keeper. I don't say that people worshiping on Sunday won't be saved never have. Salvation is through Jesus only. I worship on 7th day Sabbath because God asked me to Remember and I do because I love Him. I have admitted on this site I did not understand salvation until about three years ago, God explained it to me and I have not been the same since. I follow God and accept Jesus as my Savior. I can only speak for myself no one else and I continue to pray and hear God's voice and prompts and to obey what He asks me to do.
 

SoulWeaver

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Thanks for your post....I guess I just march to the beat of a different drum as I do believe the Bible in it's entirety. Including Paul who was also a Sabbath keeper. I don't say that people worshiping on Sunday won't be saved never have. Salvation is through Jesus only. I worship on 7th day Sabbath because God asked me to Remember and I do because I love Him. I have admitted on this site I did not understand salvation until about three years ago, God explained it to me and I have not been the same since. I follow God and accept Jesus as my Savior. I can only speak for myself no one else and I continue to pray and hear God's voice and prompts and to obey what He asks me to do.
As long as done of faith, all is good.
Keep following Him <3
 

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The Sabbath was ALWAYS for Hebrew AND gentile alike, any who say "Jewish Sabbath" are Scripturally uninformed. How could you be so blatantly wrong and still think your entire view on Sabbath is correct?

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 

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Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
 
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Sorry you feel like I am pushing Ellen White. I was speaking more to your generalization of people as I don't believe we all fit into the same general mold that you are trying to put us in. Some of us think outside the box and I follow Jesus not Ellen not Paul or any other man and his teachings. I am following God.
To follow what Paul wrote, you would be following direction of Jesus. Paul walked with the apostles, Ellen didn't. When we follow the New Testament, we follow it because it was guided by the Holy Spirit. Every word of the Bible was written by man, in fact Jesus didn't personally write one word of the The New Testament. He left that to His apostles who were guided by Him and His Holy Spirit.
 
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​I worship on Sunday because that's the day that my family and I always went to church on, my entire life. It really makes no difference which day you worship on, because we should be worshipping him EVERY day!! :)
I'm with you ladybug, but Saturday or " 7th day " is the sabbath and we should keep it Holy. Doesn't mean not to go to church on Sunday if we want, but to know the true sabbath, which is Saturday.
 

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The gospel of Messiah or the gospel about Messiah?

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Yahchanan (John) 4:25-26, "The woman said to Him; I know that the Messiah comes, and when He comes, He will tell us all things. Yahshua said to her: I am He speaking to you."

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Yahchanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 19-17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your efather and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection of Yahweh, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Mattithyah 5:20-30, ""For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment; But I say to you: Whoever is angry with his brother will be in danger of the judgment! Again, anyone who says; Raca! insulting your brother, will be in danger of the Sanhedrin, but whoever says: Nabel! desiring them to fall away, will be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you; Leave your gift there before the altar, and go first and be reconciled with your brother; then come and offer your gift. Settle a controversy with your accuser quickly, before he gets you into court; or your adversary may deliver you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be put into prison. Truly I say to you: You will never come out of there until you have paid the last penny. You have heard that it was said by the people of ancient times: You shall not commit adultery; But I say to you: Whoever looks on a woman with lust for her, has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your right eye causes you to offend; sin, gouge it out and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna. Or if your right hand causes you to offend, cut it off and throw it from you! For it is better for you that one of your members perish, than for the whole body to be cast into Gehenna."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mark 13:22-23, "For false messiahs and false prophets will rise, and will produce signs and wonders to lead astray, if it were possible, even the elect. So be on your guard! Behold I have warned you of all things beforehand!"

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Mattithyah 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
 

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Christ Jesus fulfilled the law in our stead, we keep the Sabbath as we rest in His law keeping and cease from our own efforts at meriting righteousness through our 'law keeping'.