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Why not explain that to Paul?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Written to a Gentile church twenty some years after the crucifixion.
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Written to a Gentile church twenty some years after the crucifixion.
We have demons working in our church, and they are working through influencing saved, wonderful Christians. These people all give the same message. They echo Constantine as he worked to separate the God of the Old Testament from Christ.
We need to learn to recognize the tactics they use. All the scriptures Paul wrote down against using rituals in the wrong way are expanded to say the scriptures Paul gives us are against other scripture, so spiritual circumcision, law, works, many things are distorted. By understanding this, it means that those who follow the Lord must take great care that they know all scripture says about these things, we must not ignore any scripture in regard to them. We must know all scripture telling us what they are given for, and also all scripture telling us about using them in the wrong way and what they are not for, and we must give equal importance to all scripture.
We also need to recognize the methods people working against accepting scripture are using to promote the distortion of scripture. Passover is taught in scripture. If you go into Constantine's comments on it and how he worked to outlaw it, you would see how his opposition to Passover helped to teach against scripture. It is still used by demons in the same way. The anti-Christ feels that any time any scripture can be discounted it is part of the victory against the Lord.
We do not need to worry about it, Christ will win over demons representing the Devil. God used Constantine and his ideas for the good of the word. If man thought they had to observe all the traditions surrounding the Passover celebration in order to be accepted by Christ, it would not have been good. Man could understand the message of Christ through the more secular Easter celebration of Christ. I wasn't right, but God used it for good. Now, the correct understanding of this is bringing us closer to the truth of the Lord. We are all taking a new look at the truth of Passover and seeing the secular in Easter. It is a very good growth we are doing.
We need to learn to recognize the tactics they use. All the scriptures Paul wrote down against using rituals in the wrong way are expanded to say the scriptures Paul gives us are against other scripture, so spiritual circumcision, law, works, many things are distorted. By understanding this, it means that those who follow the Lord must take great care that they know all scripture says about these things, we must not ignore any scripture in regard to them. We must know all scripture telling us what they are given for, and also all scripture telling us about using them in the wrong way and what they are not for, and we must give equal importance to all scripture.
We also need to recognize the methods people working against accepting scripture are using to promote the distortion of scripture. Passover is taught in scripture. If you go into Constantine's comments on it and how he worked to outlaw it, you would see how his opposition to Passover helped to teach against scripture. It is still used by demons in the same way. The anti-Christ feels that any time any scripture can be discounted it is part of the victory against the Lord.
We do not need to worry about it, Christ will win over demons representing the Devil. God used Constantine and his ideas for the good of the word. If man thought they had to observe all the traditions surrounding the Passover celebration in order to be accepted by Christ, it would not have been good. Man could understand the message of Christ through the more secular Easter celebration of Christ. I wasn't right, but God used it for good. Now, the correct understanding of this is bringing us closer to the truth of the Lord. We are all taking a new look at the truth of Passover and seeing the secular in Easter. It is a very good growth we are doing.
That is so far from what the context states that you have to be gaming.
". . .your meetings do more harm than good.
In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church there are divisions among you,
and to some extent, I believe it.
No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval.
When you come together it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, for as you eat, each goes ahead
without waiting or anyone else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk.
Don't you have homes to eat and drink in?
Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?
What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!"
Paul describes and addresses abuse of the Lord's Supper, and states that
such abusive practice is not the Lord's Supper, and their behavior therein is not praiseworthy.
Do you have a Bible?
Have you ever read the NT?
"This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." (1Co 11:24)
". . .your meetings do more harm than good.
In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church there are divisions among you,
and to some extent, I believe it.
No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval.
When you come together it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, for as you eat, each goes ahead
without waiting or anyone else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk.
Don't you have homes to eat and drink in?
Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing?
What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!"
Paul describes and addresses abuse of the Lord's Supper, and states that
such abusive practice is not the Lord's Supper, and their behavior therein is not praiseworthy.
Do you have a Bible?
Have you ever read the NT?
"This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." (1Co 11:24)
Paul states it is the believers, not the bread, who are to be a new lump,
it is the believers, not the bread, that is unleavened.
Paul is not prescribing OT observance of the Feast of Unleavened Bread,
but is applying it spiritually to NT believers in purging sin from their lives
as yeast was purged in the OT feast,
and exhorting them to eat the spiritual bread of sincerity and truth in the new covenant.
There is no prescription in the NT to keep the OT Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two different feasts, occurring back to back.
The Lord's Supper is not the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it is the Passover.
There is no prescription in the NT for the frequency of observing the Lord's Supper.
Some of you really need to spend a lot more time in the NT, for your ignorance of it is appalling.
it is the believers, not the bread, that is unleavened.
Paul is not prescribing OT observance of the Feast of Unleavened Bread,
but is applying it spiritually to NT believers in purging sin from their lives
as yeast was purged in the OT feast,
and exhorting them to eat the spiritual bread of sincerity and truth in the new covenant.
There is no prescription in the NT to keep the OT Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two different feasts, occurring back to back.
The Lord's Supper is not the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it is the Passover.
There is no prescription in the NT for the frequency of observing the Lord's Supper.
Some of you really need to spend a lot more time in the NT, for your ignorance of it is appalling.
Paul is not prescribing OT observance of the Feast of Unleavened Bread,
but is applying it spiritually to NT believers in purging sin from their lives
as yeast was purged in the OT feast,
and exhorting them to eat the spiritual bread of sincerity and truth in the new covenant.
(no he says to Therefore let us keep the feast,)
(because Jesus Christ our passover is sacrificed for us
There is no prescription in the NT to keep the OT Feast of Unleavened Bread.(wrong)
Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two different feasts, occurring back to back.(true)
The Lord's Supper is not the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it is the Passover.(true)
There is no prescription in the NT for the frequency of observing the Lord's Supper.(true)
Some of you really need to spend a lot more time in the NT, for your ignorance of it is appalling.
but is applying it spiritually to NT believers in purging sin from their lives
as yeast was purged in the OT feast,
and exhorting them to eat the spiritual bread of sincerity and truth in the new covenant.
(no he says to Therefore let us keep the feast,)
(because Jesus Christ our passover is sacrificed for us
There is no prescription in the NT to keep the OT Feast of Unleavened Bread.(wrong)
Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two different feasts, occurring back to back.(true)
The Lord's Supper is not the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it is the Passover.(true)
There is no prescription in the NT for the frequency of observing the Lord's Supper.(true)
Some of you really need to spend a lot more time in the NT, for your ignorance of it is appalling.
OK, I guess when Paul says this, it really doesn't mean what it says...
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
You are very correct here, in fact the only time it is mentioned at all, we are told NOT to keep it...
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
There are some who are ignorant and then there are some who are willingly ignorant.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
You are very correct here, in fact the only time it is mentioned at all, we are told NOT to keep it...
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
There are some who are ignorant and then there are some who are willingly ignorant.
Very good here prove-all, there are Feasts that are God's...
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Then there is xmas and Ishtar. Neither of which are mentioned as God's Feasts. They were invented by man and there are only oblique references to them...
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Decorating a tree is called the way of the heathen.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
A sunrise service facing East is called an abomination here and it provokes God to anger.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Then there is xmas and Ishtar. Neither of which are mentioned as God's Feasts. They were invented by man and there are only oblique references to them...
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Decorating a tree is called the way of the heathen.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
A sunrise service facing East is called an abomination here and it provokes God to anger.