The Lost Ark

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Crazy4GODword

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I agree, the earthly ark was only a:
Exodus 25:40 And see that thou make them after their pattern, which is being shown thee in the mount.

Hebrews 8:5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."


Ah see i got a brother to help me out haha thnx
 
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Abiding

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#23
IF they wanted a new temple to have a Holy of Holys yes they would need it
But the vail has been torn and no shadow will do a thing. It is finished!!!
The High priest is now in heaven and His kingdom and throne of David is present.
A new temple will do nothing but acknowledge unbelief
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Do the Jews need it to rebuild the temple? That is, is it mandatory to be a part of the temple?
It was the essence and presence of God with in the temple, but..its really a symbolic meaning of the heavenly temple. Ah but its considered holy and especially the cover. The question is do you believe the temple is mandatory to be part of the temple? In my case spiritual?
 
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cfultz3

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It was the essence and presence of God with in the temple, but..its really a symbolic meaning of the heavenly temple. Ah but its considered holy and especially the cover. The question is do you believe the temple is mandatory to be part of the temple? In my case spiritual?
My question leans more towards the rebuilding of the Temple, in which plans are now being undertaken to start that rebuilding. Do they have to have the Ark, or can they rebuild without it?
 

RickyZ

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No no no, you all have it wrong, we have video proof that it was found by the Nazis and ended up in a secret archival warehouse.
;)
 
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cfultz3

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nvm...Abiding answered. thanks
 
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Crazy4GODword

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My question leans more towards the rebuilding of the Temple, in which plans are now being undertaken to start that rebuilding. Do they have to have the Ark, or can they rebuild without it?
thats like saying can you keep a heart alive out of the body, which in fact is possible, but needs special care ;-)
 

iamsoandso

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yet if we connect the dots "the shields of gold",,,,were hidden in the mishnah?,copper scroll ect. but in the chronicles they were "carried away to Egypt?,,,,i do like your post laodicea,,,?
 
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webchatter

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Ron Wyatt's claim that he saw the ark is today supported by his son(s) who were with him. Ron Wyatt said he showed it to the Israeli's in charge of the dig & they wanted it kept quiet for obvious reasons. His son or sons today say they saw it with him. They all claim blood dripped down from the cracked rock under the crucufix after the earthquake. They claimed to have seen the blood on the mercy seat & did not remove the ark, per the Israelis.
Although the Wyatt family operates a museum of deceased Ron Wyatt's Biblical discoveries, there is no proof he found the ark, not even a picture.
 

Shilo

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The last time the Ark of the Covenant is mentioned in Scripture was when King Josiah (in 623 B.C.) ordered the Ark to be put back in the Temple (2 Chron. 35.3). This shows that during the reign of wicked kings, the priests would hide it somewhere. There is no record in the Bible that the Ark of the Covenant went to Babylon. We also learn in the Bible that from the time of David the Ark of The Covenant had to be carried the way God said or people could die like Uzzah 2 Samuel 6:1-7 and 1 Chronicles 13:9-12. This shows that the priest had to be the ones to move the Ark. According to Josephus, the inner chamber of the Temple the holy of holies was completely empty.

Many believe Dome of the Spirits on the Temple mount is the real Holy of holies. 1 Kings chapter 6 tells about the building of the Temple. In 1 kings 6:19 it talks about inner sanctuary he does not call this the Holy of holies. He also talks about a stretched gold chains across the front of the inner sanctuary and also on top of the pillars., I am not saying it is not a most holy place just not the place we think. It is in the inner part of the Temple. Then in 1 kings 8 the Priest did bring the Ark into the inner sanctuary the Holy place. The Ark was put in the Holy of Holies. 1 kings [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then Solomon spoke: “The Lord said He would dwell in the dark cloud. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I have surely built You an exalted house, And a place for You to dwell in forever.. Here King Solomon lets us know the ark is in a dark place of mystery. Then King Solomon starts talking about David “it was in the heart of my father David to build a temple”. This is another clue on where the Ark of the Covenant is. Are heart is in the center of our body but below the surface. The Temple mount is the center of Israel. 1 kings [SUP]21 [/SUP]And there I have made a place for the ark.

There are no contradiction in the word of God only things we do not understand yet.
1 Kings 7:15-22 7:15 He fashioned two bronze pillars; each pillar was 27 feet(eighteen cubits.) high and 18 feet(twelve cubits.) in circumference. 7:16 He made two bronze tops for the pillars; each was seven-and-a-half feet high.( five cubits )7:17 The latticework on the tops of the pillars was adorned with ornamental wreaths and chains; the top of each pillar had seven groupings of ornaments.7:18 When he made the pillars, there were two rows of pomegranate-shaped ornaments around the latticework covering the top of each pillar.7:19 The tops of the two pillars in the porch were shaped like lilies and were six feet high.7:20 On the top of each pillar, right above the bulge beside the latticework, there were two hundred pomegranate-shaped ornaments arranged in rows all the way around.7:21 He set up the pillars on the porch in front of the main hall. He erected one pillar on the right side and called it Jakin; he erected the other pillar on the left side and called it Boaz. 7:22 The tops of the pillars were shaped like lilies. So the construction of the pillars was completed.
Jeremiah 52:21-23
52:21 Each of the pillars was about 27 feet (eighteen cubits) high, about 18 feet ( twelve cubits) n circumference, three inches thick, and hollow. [SUP]22 [/SUP]A capital of bronze was on it; and the height of one capital was five cubits, with a network and pomegranates all around the capital, all of bronze. The second pillar, with pomegranates was the same.
52:23There were ninety-six pomegranate-shaped ornaments on the sides; in all there were one hundred pomegranate-shaped ornaments over the latticework that went around it.


2 Kings 25
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The Babylonians broke up the bronze pillars, the movable stands and the bronze Sea that were at the temple of the Lord and they carried the bronze to Babylon. [SUP]14 [/SUP]They also took away the pots, shovels, wick trimmers, dishes and all the bronze articles used in the temple service. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The commander of the imperial guard took away the censers and sprinkling bowls—all that were made of pure gold or silver.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The bronze from the two pillars, the Sea and the movable stands, which Solomon had made for the temple of the Lord, was more than could be weighed 25:17 Each of the pillars was about twenty-seven feet ( eighteen cubits ) High. The bronze top of one pillar was about four and a half feet (three cubits)high and had bronze latticework and pomegranate shaped ornaments all around it. The second pillar with its latticework was like it.
2 Chronicles 3:15-17
3:15 In front of the temple he made two pillars which had a combined length of 52½ feet, with each having a plated capital seven and one-half feet high ( 5 cubits) 3:16 He made ornamental chain in the sanctuary and put them on top of the pillars. He also made one hundred pomegranate-shaped ornaments and arranged them within the chains. 3:17 He set up the pillars in front of the temple, one on the right side and the other on the left.He named the one on the right Jachin, and the one on the left Boaz
[SUP]12 [/SUP]the two pillars; the two bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars; the two sets of network decorating the two bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars; [SUP]13 [/SUP]the four hundred pomegranates for the two sets of network (two rows of pomegranates for each network, decorating the bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars);

2 Chronicles 6 6 Then Solomon spoke:“The Lord said He would dwell in the dark cloud.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have surely built You an exalted house, And a place for
You to dwell in forever


From what I remember on a teaching of this during the time when Nebuchadnezzar a weight system was activated. This system was a type of weight counter balance system used in ancient Egypt. This is why capital height changes along with the number of pomegranates. The Ark of the Covenant was put into the Heart of The Temple mount and then sealed.

The word also tells us
Jeremiah 3:16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land," declares the LORD, "men will no longer say, 'The ark of the covenant of the LORD.' It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.
Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I don't believe all of his stuff was " made up " .. It's impossible to get to it now, he said he knew where it was.. because where it is at now is holy ground and you can't get access to go digging there.
it isn't just a matter of not allowing access or further excavation...the private owners of the property deny that anything was ever found at the dig in the first place...

there is no reason for the garden tomb association to deny that the ark of the covenant was found there...in fact there would be a huge incentive for them to announce the discovery if it was true... the church of the holy sepulcher has always been considered the most likely spot of the crucifixion and burial of jesus...on the other hand the garden tomb's claim to being the true site has generally been regarded as baseless...announcing the discovery of the ark of the covenant at the garden tomb would certainly help to improve its standing as a legitimate alternative to the church of the holy sepulcher...

there is also the fact that wyatt claimed to have recovered actual artifacts from his dig...including the tablets of the ten commandments...though that part of his story seems to have changed several times... if any of that was true...he could have presented the ten commandments as evidence...so far his group has not done that...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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2 Chronicles 12:9 KJV
(9) So Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem, and took away the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king's house; he took all: he carried away also the shields of gold which Solomon had made.

This text shows the original ark was taken to Egypt.
the ark of the covenant was not one of the temple treasures...the temple treasures did not actually include the furnishings such as the ark and the altar and so on...the treasures were items of gold and silver given as offerings or donations by wealthy individuals and especially the royal house after the temple was built...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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But wouldnt it still have effect of God's spirit upon it that those who touch it would die? Or it had no effect anymore in the OT, state your case please or your opinion more, seems interesting that they could have destroyed it
God had abandoned the temple and presumably the ark of the covenant also at the time of the babylonian invasion...see the story in ezekiel about the glory departing from the temple...

it was the ark of the covenant...if the covenant was broken or suspended...then the ark is nothing but a symbol of something that is no longer there...

if God was not with israel...then the ark could be destroyed...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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If that be true, then the story of it now being in Ethiopia makes sense, because they believe that it first arrived in egypt in a small town, with devoted priestly hebrews taking it, then brought it down to ethiopia i dont know exactly when
the ethiopian claim is not credible...basically it one of several outlandish claims made by a church body that claims to be a lot more ancient than it actually is...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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My question leans more towards the rebuilding of the Temple, in which plans are now being undertaken to start that rebuilding. Do they have to have the Ark, or can they rebuild without it?
they could rebuild the temple without the ark of the covenant...that is what zerubbabel did...

but with the dome of the rock still there on temple mount...finding or making the stuff that goes inside the temple is the least of their difficulties...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Ron Wyatt's claim that he saw the ark is today supported by his son(s) who were with him. Ron Wyatt said he showed it to the Israeli's in charge of the dig & they wanted it kept quiet for obvious reasons. His son or sons today say they saw it with him. They all claim blood dripped down from the cracked rock under the crucufix after the earthquake. They claimed to have seen the blood on the mercy seat & did not remove the ark, per the Israelis.
Although the Wyatt family operates a museum of deceased Ron Wyatt's Biblical discoveries, there is no proof he found the ark, not even a picture.
there were no israelis in charge of the dig...wyatt's dig was on private property...and like i said in an earlier post the owners actually had a strong motive -not- to keep any major discoveries quiet...
 
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Crazy4GODword

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the ethiopian claim is not credible...basically it one of several outlandish claims made by a church body that claims to be a lot more ancient than it actually is...
actually largely crediable in a certain sense, plus they show "symptoms" of having it just as it was in Palestine. But there are very bias stories, myths, and geographical standpoints that are very false and made up by the thought of man (pretty much religious tradition which isnt true)