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Does God Require His OT "ritual" of water baptism, for us, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE?


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Wansvic

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//Paul's statement directly corresponded to the word of truth initially given by Peter at Pentecost//
Question begging .
“[a] general harmony of fundamental doctrine which pervades the entire Scriptures. It assumes that the Bible is a self-interpreting book, and what is obscure in one passage may be illuminated by another. No single statement or obscure passage of one book can be allowed to set aside a doctrine which is clearly established by many passages”
 

throughfaith

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One of the most fundamental principles of Bible interpretation is that which is known as “the analogy of faith.” In his classic work on biblical hermeneutics, Professor Milton Terry noted that there is:

“[a] general harmony of fundamental doctrine which pervades the entire Scriptures. It assumes that the Bible is a self-interpreting book, and what is obscure in one passage may be illuminated by another. No single statement or obscure passage of one book can be allowed to set aside a doctrine which is clearly established by many passages” (449).​
Though expressed in a rather formal way, the statement above actually merely reflects the explicit testimony of the Scriptures, and of logic itself.

First, the inspired psalmist proclaimed: “The sum of your [God’s] word is truth?” (Psalm 119:160). The term “sum” (Heb. — rosh) in this context suggests a functional system which encompasses the entirety of a thing (Muller, 1192).

Second, since God is a perfect Being who is the author of neither confusion nor contradiction (cf. 1 Cor. 14:33) and since the Scriptures were issued from him, logic demands that the instruction contained therein will be harmonious.

So, what are we to make of the matter when we confront the issue of dealing with the theme of salvation, but see different conditions mentioned in various texts? The answer does not lie in rejecting some passages and accepting others. Rather, we must seek a harmonious solution.

There is a common mode of expression in the Bible known as the synecdoche. It is a figure of speech by which part of something can stand for the whole or vice versa.

For example, Paul was on a ship that housed 276 “souls.” These were not bodiless “souls.” Rather, the term “soul” stands for the entire person (see Acts 27:37). How do we arrive at this conclusion? Because other passages teach that human beings have bodies as well as souls (Mt. 10:28).

How Does the Analogy of Faith Apply to Romans 10:9-10?
With this interpretative principle in view, let’s direct our attention to the passage cited by our courteous reader (Rom. 10:9-10).

Two conditions are mentioned within the passage — believing in the resurrected Christ and confessing that conviction before others.

But where is “repentance” — that godly sorrow that is accompanied by a change of conduct (2 Cor. 7:10)? Surely that requirement cannot be dismissed simply because it isn’t mentioned here. Repentance is made obligatory in a host of supplementary New Testament passages.

Jesus declared that one who refuses repentance will perish (Lk. 13:3, 5). Repentance was a part of that Commission given by the Lord (Luke 24:47). And it was also proclaimed by an inspired apostle on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38). This sorrowful, changing obligation is required of all people everywhere in view of the coming Judgment (Acts 17:30-31).

Since Paul did not contradict himself between Acts 17:30-31 and Romans 10:9-10, it must be the case that “believe” and “confession” in the latter text embrace all of God’s redemptive conditions.

Similarly, though only “repentance” is mentioned as the condition by which the first Gentiles were converted (Acts 11:18), the principle of “the analogy of the Scriptures” demands that the “believing” and “confessing” of Romans 10:9-10 be included in the divine plan of salvation as well.

Now if this can be seen with reference to the conditions just mentioned, why is it so difficult to comprehend that baptism must also be included in the sacred scheme of redemption?

Especially is this so since baptism is inseparably connected with salvation in so many New Testament passages (Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:38; 22:16; Rom. 6:3-4; Gal. 3:26-27; Eph. 5:26; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:21).

Surely a completely unbiased view of the subject can lead only to the conclusion that immersion in water is an essential component in God’s plan of salvation for humankind.

This truth was not denied until the Christian movement was well into those stages of digression that eventually developed in the post-apostolic age.
I explain it simpler than that . ' observation and reading comprehension. I notice who ,when ,what, why and where ..80% of modern teaching misses this .
 

Wansvic

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// it stands to reason // Yes this is the issue with many denominations who are a part of the Lords Navy .
Paul nor Peter would have commanded individuals be water baptized if it was no longer necessary after the Holy Ghost was poured out. Many individuals obeyed the command after the initial instruction was given by Peter on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16 Paul, 8:35-40 Eunuch, 16:28-33 Jailer/family, 16:14-15 Lydia/family, 18:8 Crispus/Corinthian believers)

Paul's command that individuals in Ephesus be water baptized 20 years after Pentecost speaks to its necessity for all people.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4
 

Wansvic

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I explain it simpler than that . ' observation and reading comprehension. I notice who ,when ,what, why and where ..80% of modern teaching misses this .
Your comment suggests you did not bother to read the entire post. No need to continue.
 

14meatcc

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I don't know a whole lot about everything, water baptism included, BUT, I do know what I know.
I know that I have never been dunked in water period, for any reason. I also know that the holy spirit was granted to me upon the realization that my ideas in unbelief were wrong. I don't see any reason why I should go to a corporation into preaching false doctrine and producing mass dead faith to jump in some water. I do not feel it's necessary or gainful.
It's not about the act of being dunked and re-emergence as though cleansed or a new creature, but the claim of the name in faith. The whole is entirely upon the power of the name.
 

Wansvic

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I don't know a whole lot about everything, water baptism included, BUT, I do know what I know.
I know that I have never been dunked in water period, for any reason. I also know that the holy spirit was granted to me upon the realization that my ideas in unbelief were wrong. I don't see any reason why I should go to a corporation into preaching false doctrine and producing mass dead faith to jump in some water. I do not feel it's necessary or gainful.
It's not about the act of being dunked and re-emergence as though cleansed or a new creature, but the claim of the name in faith. The whole is entirely upon the power of the name.
The Bible commands everyone to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Water baptism was only done in the name of Jesus in the word of God. It is not a suggestion but a NT command. See Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6.

The following scriptures refer to obedience to water baptisms as well Acts 22:16 Paul, 8:12-18, 8:35-40 Eunuch, 16:28-33 Jailer/family, 16:14-15 Lydia/family, 18:8 Crispus/Corinthian believers.
 
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I don't know a whole lot about everything, water baptism included, BUT, I do know what I know.
I know that I have never been dunked in water period, for any reason. I also know that the holy spirit was granted to me upon the realization that my ideas in unbelief were wrong. I don't see any reason why I should go to a corporation into preaching false doctrine and producing mass dead faith to jump in some water. I do not feel it's necessary or gainful.
It's not about the act of being dunked and re-emergence as though cleansed or a new creature, but the claim of the name in faith. The whole is entirely upon the power of the name.
Precious friend, Bob. Thanks so much for your participation. Hope some of the
baptism "studies" were useful to you.

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