The message that ALL of mankind is saved

[Israel]

Please I am not rejecting I am inquiring. Here is the thing:
When Jesus gave the parable of the tares among the wheat it seems to indicate that even within the church, certain souls are by nature rejected.
When Paul talked about some vessels being for higher use and others for lesser use i am unclear exactly what he means.
There is also the question of those in the church I have witnessed try with all their hearts to come into salvation and yet appear to be stuck in carnality.
I don't know what to make of these things -
and then there's the whole thing about the elect...

We must approach scripture with the mind of a child. When Moses was in egypt freeing the Israelites, God said that He raised Pharaoh up for the purpose of His name being declared throughout the earth for all generations. God said that He would harden his heart so that he WOULDN'T let them go. Do you believe God purposely did this only to send him to the lake of fire? He did exactly what God made him to do. John was raised to do exactly as he did as well. Before Jeremiah was born, God said He knew him and ordained
him a prophet. Even in Judas. He was made to betray Jesus. All of these did only what God raised them to do so how do you think their work will be judged? EVERYONE has a job and they are not always pretty. Nature teaches us this.

 

[Israel]

I believe all men are saved from the wrath of God for a time, but I selected reject because not everyone is saved from sin, neither is everyone saved from hell. That takes an invitation from God and an acceptance from the individual to pursue holiness and be baptised in water and in Spirit. And I think we all know that some will go to hell, perhaps even the majority.

Could you punish your child for life just for a few mistakes?

 

[Lad]

Could you punish your child for life just for a few mistakes?

Nope but Im not God. God sends people to hell. Simple. He sends them for their rejection of Him. Simple. He accepts ALL who are willing to come to Him and pursue holiness. Simple. Unholy people go to hell. Holy people go to heaven. Simple.

All of it is simple, all of it is biblical.

 

[Israel]

Nope but Im not God. God sends people to hell. Simple. He sends them for their rejection of Him. Simple. He accepts ALL who are willing to come to Him and pursue holiness. Simple. Unholy people go to hell. Holy people go to heaven. Simple.

All of it is simple, all of it is biblical.

Have we not all one Father? If you can't punish your child for a little over 100 years, why believe God will for eternity?
The bible says that God does what pleases Him and that He takes no pleasure in burnt offerings (those of the promise and acceptable) and sin offerings (those who died in sin) because in the flesh, they BOTH die.

I love our Father because no matter what I may SEE, I know that we ALL were made for His good pleasure.

 

[resurrection33]

I would love as many of you as possible to please vote!

I think salvation is a day-to-day thing:

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

 

[Lad]

Have we not all one Father? If you can't punish your child for a little over 100 years, why believe God will for eternity?
The bible says that God does what pleases Him and that He takes no pleasure in burnt offerings (those of the promise and acceptable) and sin offerings (those who died in sin) because in the flesh, they BOTH die.

I love our Father because no matter what I may SEE, I know that we ALL were made for His good pleasure.

1. Because His thoughts and ways are way above mine. I dont try to bring God down to my level.

2. That verse you quoted actually means, He takes no pleasure in burnt offerings (found in leviticus 1-3) or sin offerings (found in leviticus 4-6). But the reason why He didnt was because Israels heart wasnt in it. They werent truly repenting which was the whole idea behind the sacrifices in the first place. They had taken what God intended to be a system for repentance and made it into meaningless day to day chores, rituals etc that they had to do and God wanted them all to repent and to be His holy people again.

 

[IQ]

My apologies if you are truly wanting truth and not a die hard calvinist.

Those that try to live a christian life and cannot have not surrendered to Jesus and are trying to do it on their own. None of us can do anything outside of Christ. God has place in all of us a different calling. One not greater then the other. As far as the elect goes. All whom God foreknew would receive His salvation are the elect.

OK if I am understanding you position correctly...
1.) What can I tell those that seem to be stuck in carnality?
What precisely is the correct course of action, attitude, spiritual posture - what does surrender look like and how can they get there?
Paul states that faith is the key. Yet faith is the gift of God lest any man should boast. So what can a person do?
2.) Rom 9:20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"
Rom 9:21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?
Rom 9:23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory--
Rom 9:24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
This is the passage I am getting the idea that some are formed this way. I could be misunderstanding.
3.) So if I understand you correctly...
God knows who will accept salvation and who will not but this is no excuse for those who do not. Have I got it?
4.) I have only a glancing understanding of all the different theological schools - I barely know what Calvinism is! I am trying to get at least a preliminary understanding through Chafer.

 

[TheSon]

If God has destined some people to be saved and some people not to, THEN
1)Why do we pray for salvation of souls?
2)Why will God send them to HELL?. Since he destined them NOT to be SAVED
3)Why do we Christians waste their time preaching the gospel of Christ?

Rev3:20- Behold, i stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

If any man hear my voice and open the door- Not whoever i choose to open his door!.. Man has a choice to open his door or not!

John3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life

Whosoever believes in him- Not whosoever is ordained to believe in him!

Having said that, i don't think all of mankind is saved or will be saved. Only those who choose to!

 

[Red33]

It is the will of God that all me be saved (1Tim 2:4) and He is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance (2Pt 3:9). The fact is this; all have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23), all we like sheep have gone astray from birth (Is 53:6, Rom 3:9-12). Christ was judged on the cross not just for our sins but for the sins or the whole world (1Jn 2:2), and to as many as receive Him (Christ), to them are given the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe upon His name (Jn 1:12).

The message is that Christ for ALL men, for ALL have sinned, that ALL might be saved through Him.

 

[W3T]

3.) So if I understand you correctly...
God knows who will accept salvation and who will not but this is no excuse for those who do not. Have I got it?

IQ:

Our Father raised up a slave race of people, the Jewish people, with the 12 tribes being born out a of man known as Jacob. This mans name itself means deceiver or, a usurper, one who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another. His name also translates to one that lays snares.

Through this race we recieved the Mosaic law, one in which this same race failed in keeping. Although they were given many chances, they still failed time and time again in their vain attempt to fulfill this law.

But their job wanst just to give us this law, (which was just a shadow of things to come), their main job was to fulfill propsesy, the prophesy that was given to Abraham, better known today, as well as with the apostles as the promise...

1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. (faith)

Through the lineage of Abraham, his seed, we were given the Messiah through the tribe of Judah of the Jewish people.

There are many more things to say on this topic, but the point Id like to make to you is...How can the Jews be condemned for what they had done? Especailly if all the were doing is fulfilling our Creators will? How righteous would our Creator be in condemning the Jewish people for a role He put them in place to fulfill, especailly if their job was simply to fail?

If He set them up for failure from the very beginning, (down to the small detail of them being raised from a man known as a deceiver)...how then can He comdemn them for the role He chose them to play?

Dosent make any sense, does it? And it doesent sound very fair.

 

[Lad]

*wonders when romans 9 will be brought out*