The Millennial Reign

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valiant

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A lot of time has been spent here talking about the return of Christ. Regardless of how we get to that day, Christ will return and usher in the Millennial Reign. A thousand years, with Christ ruling the earth with an iron rod, from the Throne of David.
Nowhere does Scripture mention Christ as ruling ON the earth.

Some questions to ponder.

Where will that throne actually be?
He rules in Heaven (Acts 20)

Who will He be ruling over?
He IS ruling over His people NOW.

Will there be sin during the reign? Will there be any death during the reign?
Yes and yes,
 

valiant

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Ezekiel 37:11-14
(11) Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
(12) Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
(13) And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
(14) And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
This occurred after the exile. The people were 'made alive'.
 
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Nowhere does Scripture mention Christ as ruling ON the earth.
yes it does!

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
 

valiant

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yes it does!

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
This is clearly the eternal kingdom, it is not on earth.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
where does it say ON EARTH? It is the eternal kingdom (verse 18)

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem
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This was the spread of the Gospel.

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
This is describing the presence of YHWH, not of Jesus. But where does it say He will reign on EARTH.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
King OVER all the earth not ON THE EARTH.

You just imagine it.
 
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prove-all

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This occurred after the exile. The people were 'made alive'.
If thats the case, then explain why they are not back in there land

25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant,
wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they,
and their children, and their children's children for ever:
and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.


clearly you imagine this away, and tons more verses you are blind to.
 

Adstar

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Thanks for the info so far. I need more time to analyze it.

Continuing with questions.

Who are the saints that reign with Christ in the City of Jerusalem?
The Saints who take part in the rapture/first reasurection that happens on the day of the return of Jesus.. And they will have a place for themselves near Jerusalem.. Revelation reveals that at the end of the 1000 years the Saints will still be there camped near Jerusalem when the final satanic rebellion happens..

Revelation 20: KJV

{7} And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."


So the camp of the Saints will be near to or adjacent to Jerusalem which is the Beloved City..


Who, other than Christ and the saints, will reside in the city of Jerusalem? What will they be doing?
The decendants of the remnant of the decendants of Abraham.. the 144,000 spoken of as being sealed by the Angels and protected through the wrath of God in the Book of Revelation.. 12,000 innocent decendants from each tribe of Israel..

Where will the throne of David be inside the City of Jerusalem?
I have no idea.. I don't think it is an important detail.. And i don't think the Bible reveals it..
 
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why cant folks just believe the bible?

valiant u really think isaiah 2:2-3 is about the gospel spreading? how many gentiles go to jerusalem to hear the law of the Lord???
 

Ahwatukee

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why cant folks just believe the bible?

valiant u really think isaiah 2:2-3 is about the gospel spreading? how many gentiles go to jerusalem to hear the law of the Lord???
Hi Snoozy! It is because he has abandoned the truth of God's word and has adopted the false teachings of men. This is what the scripture speaks of which says, "they will abandon the truth and turn aside to myths." These false teachings have Satan's name written all over it!

God's word says "a thousand years" they say "not literal."

God's word says "144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel" and they say "it's and unknown number and they are the church"

God's word says "there will be a time of great tribulation such has not taken place from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again" and they say "It's already taken place by the destruction of the temple"

The Lord said that He was going to the Father's house to prepare dwelling places for us and that he was going to come back and take us to those dwelling places in the Father's house and they say, "The Lord has already come and that we are living in the thousand years, which isn't really a thousand years." Not only that, but it would mean that the Lord did not fulfill His promise to the church.

The word of God says that "we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath and that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath" and they say "God is going to protect us within His time of wrath."

And on and on it goes .................................................................
 
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eternally-gratefull

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A lot of time has been spent here talking about the return of Christ. Regardless of how we get to that day, Christ will return and usher in the Millennial Reign. A thousand years, with Christ ruling the earth with an iron rod, from the Throne of David.

Some questions to ponder.

Where will that throne actually be?

Who will He be ruling over?

Will there be sin during the reign?

Will there be any death during the reign?

I'll stop with these questions for now.

This is an information gathering op. If you have scriptures, other reference material, or just an opinion, please provide them.

1. Jerusalem on Davids throne
2. The world (every nation will come to Jerusalem to worship the king)
3. Yes (God will punish the nations who do not come with no rain)
4. Good question. I am sure there will be, but not sure
 

prove-all

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Where will that throne actually be?
17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and
all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

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The future temple of which Ezekiel prophesied will have water flowing
out of the altar (Ezekiel 47:1-5). The Fountain of Eternal Life

Ezekiel describes the water flowing eastward from the temple and rising
continually until it becomes a river too large to pass over.

God’s truth will fill the entire world like the ocean beds
are filled with water (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

“And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow
all trees for meat … because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and
the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine” Ez 47:12

God’s Holy Spirit will spiritually heal people of human nature and wrongful thinking.
People will also be healed of physical problems, a dual healing, spiritual and physical.
The water will flow right out of the holy of holies in that millennial temple!

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“In Gilgal, the first site of the tabernacle in the Holy Land, there were the
springs from Jericho that supplied an abundance of water,”

“When the tabernacle was at Shiloh (from the times of Joshua to Samuel), there was
a natural spring that supplied water to the temple, the city, and the surrounding area.”
Jerusalem only has one fresh water source: the Gihon Spring, must be special to God.

It’s where Zadok anointed Solomon king (1 Kings 1:38-39) Water from the same
spring flowed within the walls of the temples that Solomon and Zerubbabel built.
Josephus wrote , in the tabernacle in the wilderness, the priests in Israel purified
themselves in spring waters. There is always a spring associated with the sanctuary.

David placed the ark of the covenant directly over the Gihon Spring. The ark is a
symbol of God’s throne. The place from which God ruled the Israelites on Earth.
God’s throne on this Earth was right over the Gihon Spring!

“David also made it clear that there was a fountain, or a spring, within the precincts
of the holy temple in heaven, and there was also a fountain (a spring) positioned in
the replica of God’s house in Jerusalem.

David related these things in his psalms, when the ‘house of the Lord’ was reckoned
to be the tent of the ark located at the Gihon Spring. - That special sanctuary for the
ark remained at the Gihon for 38 years.”

Psalm 68:24, 26 read, “They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God,
my King, in the sanctuary. … Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from
the fountain of Israel.” God’s sanctuary was by a spring. The blessings came from
the fountain of Israel. That’s where the sanctuary was.

“The earthly symbol for this fountain was the Gihon Spring.”
Isaiah 8:5-6 speak of “the waters of Shiloah that go softly,”
Isaiah 12:3 talks about the “water … of the wells of salvation.”
God is “the fountain of living waters” (Jeremiah 17:13).

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Hillel Giba wrote in 'the book Ancient Jerusalem Revealed' He said

“The Gihon does not maintain a constant flow, but is a siphontype karst spring,
fed by groundwater that gushes intermittently through cracks in the cave floor.

“Three subterranean water supply systems were devised to capture, store,
distribute and protect itswaters. And these three systems are known as
Warren’s Shaft, the Siloam Channel, and Hezekiah’s Tunnel.”

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These three systems all brought water from that spring. Warren’s Shaft
is the earliest supply system that enabled Jerusalem’s residents to draw
water without having to leave the fortified confines of the city.

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Solomon had engineers design and then chisel out of the rock a shaft which
led down to the Gihon Spring.Was Warren’s Shaft dug by Solomon’s men?

The second water system to be built, the Siloam Channel would take excess
water down to an “old” pool area at the southwestern end of the City of David.
“But during times of siege, the pool area was exposed outside the city wall.”

Hezekiah’s tunnel was the third water system to be built.

What King Hezekiah did to ensure that Jerusalem’s water supply remained
safe from an Assyrian invasion. 2 Kings 20:20 mentions “how he made
a pool, and a conduit,and brought water into the city.” [2 Chronicles 32]

“Warren’s Shaft … provided the city with a convenient access to its
water source in peacetime as well as wartime.

Hezekiah directed the water flowing from his tunnel into the Siloam Pool.
“In Jesus’s day, the blind man who was healed was directed to go and wash in
this pool.” Christ directed the blind man to the water to be healed (John 9:1-7).

Isaiah 22:9: “Ye have seen also the breaches of the city of David, that
they are many: and ye gathered together the waters of the lower pool.”
The lower pool was the pool inside the fortified city.

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the Gihon is Jerusalem’s only source of water, but theres only one source
that comes from Jerusalem above. (John 6:44) the spring waters symbolism
of the fountains of salvation from God in heaven.”

Nehemiah 3:15 also mentions the “pool of Siloah,” referring to the waters
of the Gihon Spring. Verse 26 talks about the“water gate,” which is right
by the spring. That gate is where Ezra stood up and taught the law to the Jews
(Nehemiah 8:1-3). Ezra and his priestly group stood in front of the water gate,
while Nehemiah and a secular group stood in front of the prison gate (Neh 12:39).

Joel 3:18 says that “all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain
shall come forth of the house of the Lord ….” A fountain is going to spring from
the Ezekiel temple! The wells of salvation will extend to the entire world!

prophesied to be (once again) a single fountain giving forth pure spring water,
which will wellupwards from within the house of the Lord (God’s temple).

Zechariah 14:8-9 give the same picture of “living waters [going] out from
Jerusalem” at a time when the Messiah is “king over all the earth.”

Psalm 29:3 says that God “is upon the waters”—those living waters.
Psalm 36:8-9 say that God is going to make people “drink of the river
of thy pleasures. For with thee is the fountain of life ….”
Isaiah 32:14-20 a millennial picture that includes these living waters.

those waters are associated with the throne of God! current the river
of life exists in God’s heavenly throne room! the physical “precisely
duplicate the pattern … of God’s temple in heaven.”


the World Tomorrow is going to revolve around Jerusalem! (e.g. Isaiah 62:1-7).
Even after the Millennium and the Last Great Day, everything in the universe
is going to revolve around NEW Jerusalem! (Isaiah 65:17-19, 66:10-12).

“As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be
comforted in Jerusalem. And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice,
and your bones shall flourish like an herb …”

“Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee”
“And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising”

Ezekiel gives us detailed dimensions of the city of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 48:17)
will be built on the same place Zerubbabel and Solomon built their temples.

“It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city
from that day shall be, The Lord is there”(verse 35).

The name of Jerusalem is also going to be called by another name then:
The Lord is there! The Son of God is going to be ruling there.

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When Israel came into the Promised Land, it first had a tabernacle in Gilgal.
Then the Israelites established the tabernacle at Shiloh. Later, Solomon built
a temple in Jerusalem. Still later, Zerubbabel built one in the same place.

The next temple will be Ezekiel’s temple. That will come to an end when
the Father brings down new Jerusalem. Solomon’s temple was constructed
just south of what is commonly believed to be the Temple Mount today.
Ezekiel’s temple is going to be built on the same, identical spot.

David’s throne belongs in Jerusalem, where it is soon going to be forever
(Isaiah 9:7). It is, after all, God’s throne - 2 Chronicles 13:5

the ‘Mount Zion’ of King David’s time was located in the southern part
of Jerusalem on its southeast ridge, this means that the temples would
have to be located immediately north on what was called the ‘Ophel’ in
the Scriptures. The Ophel and the Gihon Spring are in the same area.

The real site of the temples was a few yards (meters) west of the Gihon Spring,
about a third of a mile south of the Dome of the Rock now situated within the
enclosure of the Haram esh- Sharif”


Psalm 137:5-6 says we should prefer Jerusalem above our chief joy.
 

Allenbee

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This is an information gathering op. If you have scriptures, other reference material, or just an opinion, please provide them.

Where will that throne actually be ?;
Well I recon it will definitely be in the promised land which is far larger than Israel today. ALL the land promised to Moses.

Who will He be ruling over?
Our lord will be ruling over HIS believers WORLDWIDE. As it was at His first appearance His followers are JEW'S who accept HIM, and GENTILES who accept HIM...THEN and NOW.

Will there be sin during the reign?
Yes...remember those who mourne at HIS coming at Math 24;30, and those who take the mark of the wild beast.


Will there be any death during the reign?
Big time... as the birds of heaven are invited to feast on the evil.

Who are the saints that reign with Christ in the City of Jerusalem?

These are ones chosen by GOD. MAN cannot claim this.

Who, other than Christ and the saints, will reside in the city of Jerusalem? What will they be doing?
Jews who accept Jesus will be in Jerusalem. In other words the land of Israel is for Messianic Jews. Us gentiles who accept Jesus make up the believers WORLDWIDE as the nations we are.

What will they be doing?

Every believer in our lord worldwide share the earth and turn it into the garden of Eden it was created for. Our pilgrimage is to Jerusalem, as we serve our lord. Read Isaiah 66.

Where will the throne of David be inside the City of Jerusalem?
Where Jesus decides.:)