The mosaic law

JFSurvivor · Dec 13, 2015

How are the ten commandments part of the mosaic law? They were clearly set apart.

-they were written by God's own hand in stone
-they were put in a pretty box
-that same box was seen in Revelation in Gods throne room

So where in the Bible does it say "the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law?" This is a legit question. So many people have been saying that the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law but I can't wrap my head around that. Someone please explain this to me.

Ahwatukee · Dec 13, 2015

How are the ten commandments part of the mosaic law?

Hi JF,

The Ten commandments represent the whole law of Moses. As you can you see below, God gave Moses the Law on tablets of stone and Moses revealed them to Israel. The they are not separate from rest of the law, but apart of them.

"When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

Laodicea · Dec 13, 2015

*Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV*
24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses wrote a book of the law that was placed on the side of the ark of the covenant while the ten commandments written by God was placed inside the ark of the covenant. Also it is interesting to note in Revelation you see articles of furniture from the sanctuary even the ten commandments but, not the book of the law Moses wrote placed on the side of the ark.

crossnote · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

As written on tablets of stone they are part of the Mosaic Law.
As written on our hearts, tablets of flesh, they are part of our new nature, promised in the New Covenant.

Zmouth · Dec 14, 2015

It is easy to see what is confusing about the 10 Commandments since even Jesus didn’t even know what the 10 Commandments were since the Churchs represent that that the first Commandment was “I am the LORD thy God” or “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” depending upon the denomination one subscribes to.

However, in Mark 12:29-30, it is written that Jesus had said “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Since there is not one Church or religious organization holds that the first Commandment was the same one Jesus referenced, then obviously Jesus must have not known what he was talking about.

The first verse of twentieth chapter of Exodus simply says, “And God spake all these words, saying,” However, the first verse of the fifth chapter of Deuteronomy begins with “And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.” So if Moses called them the statues and judgments, then he must have gotten in wrong too.

Yet, Jews, Catholics and Protestants all each has a different list, or order for the Ten Commandments based upon from what they derive from either 20[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Exodus or the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Deuteronomy which contain basically the same list of statutes and judgments. But again that is easy to understand since all one has to do is is count the ‘commandments’ listed and find that there were more than 10 ‘commandments’ statues and judgments listed in both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

crossnote · Dec 14, 2015

Zmouth said:

It is easy to see what is confusing about the 10 Commandments since even Jesus didn’t even know what the 10 Commandments were since the Churchs represent that that the first Commandment was “I am the LORD thy God” or “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” depending upon the denomination one subscribes to.

However, in Mark 12:29-30, it is written that Jesus had said “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Since there is not one Church or religious organization holds that the first Commandment was the same one Jesus referenced, then obviously Jesus must have not known what he was talking about.

The first verse of twentieth chapter of Exodus simply says, “And God spake all these words, saying,” However, the first verse of the fifth chapter of Deuteronomy begins with “And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.” So if Moses called them the statues and judgments, then he must have gotten in wrong too.

Yet, Jews, Catholics and Protestants all each has a different list, or order for the Ten Commandments based upon from what they derive from either 20[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Exodus or the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Deuteronomy which contain basically the same list of statutes and judgments. But again that is easy to understand since all one has to do is is count the ‘commandments’ listed and find that there were more than 10 ‘commandments’ statues and judgments listed in both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

well, we could go with all 600+ commandments but we are trying to keep this thread manageable

Babylonisfalling · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

They are different than the rest of Mosaic law for the reasons you mentioned but they were still given to Moses....why would they not be called Mosaic law?

james57 · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

You could always save time and go straight to the fourth commandment, rather than slowly building up to it

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 14, 2015

How could you possibly think that the 10 commandments weren't part of the law of Moses?

And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: 1 Kings 2:3

eternally-gratefull · Dec 14, 2015

if one reads deuteronomy, the ten commands are spoken of by moses. as part of the covenant between God and the people of Israel.

According to moses, on the mountain, God gave the commands on tablets of stone, and also gave the blessing and curses which would come if they obeyed, disobeyed those commands.

Deut 4: [SUP]44 [/SUP]Now this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel. [SUP]45 [/SUP]These are the testimonies, the statutes, and the judgments which Moses spoke to the children of Israel after they came out of Egypt,

Deut 5: 5 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your hearing today, that you may learn them and be careful to observe them. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the Lord; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]‘I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [SUP]9 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, [SUP]10 [/SUP]but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]‘You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [SUP]14 [/SUP]but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]‘Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may be well with you in the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]‘You shall not murder.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]‘You shall not commit adultery.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]‘You shall not steal.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, his male servant, his female servant, his ox, his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.’

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 14, 2015

Here the expression the law is shown to be the 10 commandments. So any time this expression is used in the bible, we can safely assume that the 10 commandments are part of the law of Moses.

Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another, for the one who loves someone else has fulfilled the law. For the [commandments], “You shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet,” and if [there is] any other commandment, are summed up in this statement: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not commit evil against a neighbor. Therefore love [is the] fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

Christ's death paid for transgressions against the 10 commandments. Therefore, they are included in justification from all things in the law of Moses.

Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man [Jesus Christ] is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 13:38-39

JFSurvivor · Dec 14, 2015

Laodicea said:

*Deuteronomy 31:24-26 KJV*
24) And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

25) That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

26) Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses wrote a book of the law that was placed on the side of the ark of the covenant while the ten commandments written by God was placed inside the ark of the covenant. Also it is interesting to note in Revelation you see articles of furniture from the sanctuary even the ten commandments but, not the book of the law Moses wrote placed on the side of the ark.

In my Bible it says "place it beside the ark of the covenant."

JFSurvivor · Dec 14, 2015

crossnote said:

So what about the sabbath day? Also do they come naturally or should we work at them even though we will never reach perfection?

I feel like even if we will never reach perfection that means there is always room for improvement and we should always strive to be better because why stop at a certain point when we have an infianant amount of potential? If we have an infianant gap between us and perfection then we have infianant potential right? Of course we will never reach perfection but we do have A LOT of room to grow and learn and isn't that one of the main parts of life? To learn and to grow in Christ? Not to stay stagnant in our faith?

JFSurvivor · Dec 14, 2015

Ahwatukee said:

How are the ten commandments part of the mosaic law?

How does this show that they are a part of the law of Moses?

JFSurvivor · Dec 14, 2015

Zmouth said:

It is easy to see what is confusing about the 10 Commandments since even Jesus didn’t even know what the 10 Commandments were since the Churchs represent that that the first Commandment was “I am the LORD thy God” or “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” depending upon the denomination one subscribes to.

However, in Mark 12:29-30, it is written that Jesus had said “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Since there is not one Church or religious organization holds that the first Commandment was the same one Jesus referenced, then obviously Jesus must have not known what he was talking about.

The first verse of twentieth chapter of Exodus simply says, “And God spake all these words, saying,” However, the first verse of the fifth chapter of Deuteronomy begins with “And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.” So if Moses called them the statues and judgments, then he must have gotten in wrong too.

Yet, Jews, Catholics and Protestants all each has a different list, or order for the Ten Commandments based upon from what they derive from either 20[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Exodus or the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of Deuteronomy which contain basically the same list of statutes and judgments. But again that is easy to understand since all one has to do is is count the ‘commandments’ listed and find that there were more than 10 ‘commandments’ statues and judgments listed in both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.

You think Jesus didn't know what the ten commandments were? Do you? Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but that is the craziest thing I have ever read! I think Jesus had a pretty good understanding of the ten commandments. Take a look at Matthew 5, 6 and 7.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

This is what Grace teaches.

We may never reach that while here on earth, but we will strive to get better, because that is our desire. to be like th eone who saved us, out of gratitude for us.

We can lose salvation, because since we will never reach that point of perfection. We can never earn salvation. so how can we lose what we never earned to begin with, Salvation will always be a gift.

JFSurvivor · Dec 14, 2015

Babylonisfalling said:

Matthew 5:17-20
Mark 12:29-34 This one because Jesus summed up the ten commandments (not replaced them).

I have to go for now but I will post the rest of the verses later.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

as long as there are unbelievers who need Christ, The law will always have a purpose.

Willie-T · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

JF, you haven't yet read Exodus 34:27, have you? That's OK, a lot of people think God wrote the Ten Commandments. (Just finally start learning to actually go find out things for yourself.)

Willie-T · Dec 14, 2015

JFSurvivor said:

Just one more reason I think I once suggested you read a number of Bible translations, as well as studying many other sources written by people who may have spent years on a particular subject.

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