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Ya you're right, Luke 3:21 says," Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened"...
I can just picture that, John baptizing Jesus.. I john baptize thee Jesus in the name of yourself.
And I can picture Jesus praying, by the way who was he praying to?.. Thank you heavenly Father for allowing Me to be baptized in My own name.
Did you get the message? We are baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. Who is Jesus? He is the Word. Where did the Word come from? Itself? And the word was with God, "which is the Father Son and HS", and the Word Was God.
When you get a deeper understanding of the Word, you'll see that baptizing in the name of the Father, and of (meaning the name of) the Son, and OF (meaning the name of) the HS is proper to say name in the singular.
God is a mystery, but did you get His (notice the Word His is singular) message? Now how can we say "His" ( meaning God) when God is three persons in one? Because we can.
You need to realize that the bible is a generalization of terms to relay and focus on a central message which is, the Word which is always all three persons. They are never separate, Jesus said," I and My Father are ONE. So be careful how you criticize the Word.
I can just picture that, John baptizing Jesus.. I john baptize thee Jesus in the name of yourself.
And I can picture Jesus praying, by the way who was he praying to?.. Thank you heavenly Father for allowing Me to be baptized in My own name.
Did you get the message? We are baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. Who is Jesus? He is the Word. Where did the Word come from? Itself? And the word was with God, "which is the Father Son and HS", and the Word Was God.
When you get a deeper understanding of the Word, you'll see that baptizing in the name of the Father, and of (meaning the name of) the Son, and OF (meaning the name of) the HS is proper to say name in the singular.
God is a mystery, but did you get His (notice the Word His is singular) message? Now how can we say "His" ( meaning God) when God is three persons in one? Because we can.
You need to realize that the bible is a generalization of terms to relay and focus on a central message which is, the Word which is always all three persons. They are never separate, Jesus said," I and My Father are ONE. So be careful how you criticize the Word.
And Jesus said," and when the HS is come, HE will guide you... HE is a pro noun. It takes the place of a persons name. So to generalize, Jesus is saying HE the HS will guide you...
If that isn't plain enough I'm sorry for you and I don't know how else to explain it. Jesus also said," I and My Father are one." Well we can see there that Jesus is talking about two persons plain and simple and it's in your bible. Read it. Now if you can believe that there are two persons because I just showed you a verse that I know you know, then why is it so hard for you to understand the third person (HS) is in the bible also? Keep reading it over and over and over and it will click I promise, if you climb out of your box that is.
If that isn't plain enough I'm sorry for you and I don't know how else to explain it. Jesus also said," I and My Father are one." Well we can see there that Jesus is talking about two persons plain and simple and it's in your bible. Read it. Now if you can believe that there are two persons because I just showed you a verse that I know you know, then why is it so hard for you to understand the third person (HS) is in the bible also? Keep reading it over and over and over and it will click I promise, if you climb out of your box that is.
L
Revelation 10:7 KJV
(7) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Colossians 1:27 KJV
(27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1 John 4:4 KJV
(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
(7) But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Colossians 1:27 KJV
(27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1 John 4:4 KJV
(4) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
J
who are you to judge me and tell me i don't have understand think i was always like this? nope approximately 8 months ago i was in the world smoking partying drinking never had a clue about all of this until i got called by god and i accept him in my heart that's how i am how i am now, what makes you think you have understanding? because the "read" the bible for years, it doesn't work like that the spirit of truth reveals the truth and nothing but the truth
The Son Jesus proceeds from the father. He is begotten of the Father before all worlds. He wasn't created by the Father, it says He Jesus was with the Father from eternity. Before He was made manifest to us, He already existed with the Father.
You know it says the world which was created by Him for Him and through Him. Him is a person who goes by the names Word, Life, and also Jesus.
John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. It doesn't say,"was the Father" it says, "was WITH the Father."
John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father, AND AND AND AND AND AND with His son Jesus Christ.
You know it says the world which was created by Him for Him and through Him. Him is a person who goes by the names Word, Life, and also Jesus.
John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us. It doesn't say,"was the Father" it says, "was WITH the Father."
John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father, AND AND AND AND AND AND with His son Jesus Christ.
It wasn't me that turned this topic into a dog and pony show. As long as people keep blathering about "church ages" that are unsubstantiated by the Bible, and this is the 7th, or the 7th is coming or who knows what nonsense, I am going to post against the whole myth. Dispensationalism is about setting times and dates and the return of Jesus Christ. That includes this erroneous nonsense on church ages. Not sure what this post is supposed to be about, so maybe I will just give up and try and find some sane posts to comment on.
(Sure, sure, the "mystery which has been revealed" or something, right???)
Why don't we stick to the Bible and actually learn and grow as Christians?
(Sure, sure, the "mystery which has been revealed" or something, right???)
Why don't we stick to the Bible and actually learn and grow as Christians?
T
The problem is "they are using their own intellect" to figure out God's word, on their own, and arriving
at their own conclusions. The word of God is spiritually discerned and requires the Holy Spirit
to guide a person into truth. As the luke warm church, not hot and not cold. They are not hot,
meaning they aren't truly committed to serving and pleasing the Lord, thus not depending
on Him for knowing His word. They are not cold, meaning they haven't kicked God out of their
lives, meaning, when they get cancer or lose their job, then its "Oh Lord" help me. But when its smooth
sailing, its "*I* got my life under control, and *I* can figure out God's word."
at their own conclusions. The word of God is spiritually discerned and requires the Holy Spirit
to guide a person into truth. As the luke warm church, not hot and not cold. They are not hot,
meaning they aren't truly committed to serving and pleasing the Lord, thus not depending
on Him for knowing His word. They are not cold, meaning they haven't kicked God out of their
lives, meaning, when they get cancer or lose their job, then its "Oh Lord" help me. But when its smooth
sailing, its "*I* got my life under control, and *I* can figure out God's word."
J
problem is... they don't know god so they can't know what grace is... 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
[h=3]John 1:16-17[/h]
this is what has happen to them...[h=3]Galatians 5:4[/h] 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[h=3]John 1:16-17[/h]
this is what has happen to them...[h=3]Galatians 5:4[/h] 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Page after page of posts by jonathanbchristian, I don't see any scripture.
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