The myth of "head" vs "heart" knowledge
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God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac on the altar, the son through whom a great nation would come.
Would the reasoning of the little grey cells have convinced Abraham to be prepared to sacrifice Isaac?
Before you answer, think about whether you'd of had such faith in his circumstances
FAith begins where logic ends, and logic is of the little grey cells, biblical faith is of the Spirit
God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac on the altar, the son through whom a great nation would come.
Would the reasoning of the little grey cells have convinced Abraham to be prepared to sacrifice Isaac?
Before you answer, think about whether you'd of had such faith in his circumstances
FAith begins where logic ends, and logic is of the little grey cells, biblical faith is of the Spirit
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I like that verse because to me the soul is our human nature -- it is instinct -- just as animals have souls and instincts, yet do not have a spirit.
my spirit again is WHO I am -- and was given eyes to see
My spirit can be one with God who is Spirit.
We live in the spirit
so again to me the soul is concerned about the flesh
the spirit about God
So the verse I shared is saying this very thing -- the soul is concerned about this world
the spirit is focused on God and the mind is mediator between them
my spirit again is WHO I am -- and was given eyes to see
My spirit can be one with God who is Spirit.
We live in the spirit
so again to me the soul is concerned about the flesh
the spirit about God
So the verse I shared is saying this very thing -- the soul is concerned about this world
the spirit is focused on God and the mind is mediator between them
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logic is not against God. God is very logical and orderly. He created the world to follow a set of laws. He told the sun where to travel and made the stars and the seasons and life possible. Just as science should not go against God but be a study of His creation and the laws He set up from creation, neither is logic. People should do things because GOD told them to do it.
that is logical.
here we go I will give you an analogy since Jesus liked to use parables to teach:
If you were an ant and saw a mound of candy but was told by your queen not to eat that sugar. Would you listen?
What if that sugar was really poisoned?
If you were asked to sacrifice your life would you do it?
that is logical.
here we go I will give you an analogy since Jesus liked to use parables to teach:
If you were an ant and saw a mound of candy but was told by your queen not to eat that sugar. Would you listen?
What if that sugar was really poisoned?
If you were asked to sacrifice your life would you do it?
Here are my notes from a study I did a couple of years ago on the heart. I went thru most of the 897 verses that it was in and just wrote basically what the verse said about it. And after doing this study I don't see how anyone can see the head and the heart as the same thing, they definately are not. It is what society calls the subconscious and a whole lot more.
Psa 22:14 I am poured outH8210 like water,H4325 and allH3605 my bonesH6106 are out of joint:H6504 my heartH3820 isH1961 like wax;H1749 it is meltedH4549 in the midstH8432 of my bowels.H4578 , looks like the heart is in the bowels, stomach, or belly. It appears to be in the area of the belly and that is also where the spirit of man and the Spirit of God is.
Joh 7:38He that believethG4100onG1519me,G1691asG2531theG3588scriptureG1124hath said,G2036out ofG1537hisG846bellyG2836shall flowG4482riversG4215of livingG2198water.G5204
The heart repeats events or words over and over again, looking for a resolution, also when you hear a song it causes the song to play in your head repeatedly, it is the wall to the city, it is the cause of ones habits, preventing one from stopping as it seeks pleasures, is very easily influenced and susceptible to outside suggestions, like someone folding their arms and then you find yourself doing the same, it seeks to be accepted by others, it is the one doing the talking when one is under hypnosis or speaks while asleep, it dreams when asleep because it never sleeps, and anything that one does without thought.
The heart shall live forever, it enlarges, builds up, makes bigger, or amplifies the troubles or problems as well as thing it views as fun, good, uplifting, beneficial, …etc., to prove me and to try my heart and reins sounds like the heart and reins are not the person but the me spoken here I believe is the spirit of man, if we have good courage God will strengthen our hearts that put our hope in Him, God is nigh or close to those who have a broken, destroyed, or badly hurt by grief or misfortune heart, and saves such as have a contrite, repentant, or deeply sorry for having thought, said, or done wrong spirit, when situations get to be too much for the person to handle and they are at their wits end the disquietness, groanings, or sorrow of heart will cause them to physical cry out, scream, or roar in frustration, weariness, exasperation, or unsatisfied desires, the heart gets angry and the more one meditates on the thing that got them angry, the angrier the person gets, it has secrets that God knows and uses it to search for things, it meditates so that it understands. Psa 51:6 & 10 suggests that the heart or parts of the heart are of the inward part(s) and the spirit of man being the hidden part, of which the bible says is in the belly, bowels, or reins. I think it should read, ‘thou desirest truth in my inward parts, and the spirit of man is one of them, and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom‘, that being either the spirit of man or some other part in the spirit of man.
Psa 51:10, God creates the clean heart by removing the old one out of the flesh and not the head and replacing it with one that now has His Word/laws in it and rebuilds the old spirit man to be like Him again rather than the devil. A righteous person needs a clean house to live in, so also, a spirit that is made right, needs a clean heart to live in. The spirit of and in the person, influences the heart and soul or conscious part of the person. The spirit of and in the person, meaning, the person’s own spirit and whatever other spirits that are in him/her, as more than one spirit and more than one kind can live in the same person. And only God can create, repair, remove, replace, heal, fix,…etc., a heart and spirit. Again, the inward parts might be the spirit of the person, the law is put in the inward parts and written in their hearts, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law and the words of the lord which He has sent in his spirit, God also commands us to make us a new heart and spirit by casting all our transgressions from us.
The heart can be broken and contrite which God will not despise, it is pained within the person, it is fixed, it is overwhelmed, we are told to pour out our heart to God, those who consider seriously or regard iniquities in their heart God will not hear, again, the heart shall live that seek God, The flesh and heart fail in that they have limits and when those limits are surpassed God is the rock, boulder, salvation, or shelter in a cliffs’ edge forever, it is stout, strong, brawny, courageous, and determined, we meditate with our hearts, we commune with it by putting questions to it, conversing with it in order to find out the reason of the present situation and my spirit looks for ways and means of deliverance out of them, and what would be the issues and consequences of them. It lusts after and for things, the flesh cries out with earnest longing or desire because the heart cried out, therefore the flesh reacts, it errs, wanders, or deviates from the right way or true path, to make a mistake; to commit error; to do wrong from ignorance or inattention, to have a forward heart is to be a wicked person to God, one who looks down on others is due to a proud heart, it can be smitten and withered like grass like grass that is dried from drought or when cut from the base so that it no longer has its life force causing it to loose its strength, wine will have an effect on the heart in that it will make it glad, it rejoices and needs to do so when seeking the Lord, it can be turn to hate, it can be wounded, again, the whole heart sounds like there is more than one part to the it, it can be like fat grease, dull of hearing, lack of conscience, insensitive, oblivious to pain and sufferings, …etc., it stands in awe, when God searches us He will then know the heart and when He tries, proves, tests, or put us thru trials He knows our thoughts, it imagines or visualizes mischief or good, when the spirit is overwhelmed the heart is desolate, devastated, destitute, destroyed laid or made waste.
The Heart
Imagines, thinks, grieves, speaks or says, is comforted, has integrity, it fails causing it to faint, or to be fainthearted, soft, to tremble, to be terrified, to fear or be fearful, and so cause others’ hearts to be the same, is hardened, to have a plague put upon it, it can be turned or caused to change direction, from favorable to hate and anger, it has a willingness or a will of its own, it stirs up the person or possibly the soul or conscious part of the person, and it makes the person willing, wisdom is placed in it by God, put in there to teach, it understands, it hates, it starts out uncircumcised and can be circumcised, humbled, discouraged, the spirit of a man is hardened which makes the heart obstinate or stubborn, when the soul forgets it can cause it to depart from the heart, used to seek God with, it considers things, God’s word shall be in and remain in it, circumstances can cause it to lift itself up causing the soul to forget, it has a foreskin that we are to circumcise, only a male has a peter to circumcise which means that it has a body, so that we will no longer be stiffnecked but will love the Lord God with all the heart and soul, it can be deceived by the soul taking heed, God’s word is to be laid up in it, it loves, it can be tured away from God by the wife, it can get hot or angry, it blesses the person saying…, it sets itself on, for, or to have something, it can be smitten with madness, blindness, and astonishment, it can be joyful and glad, it perceives, it sees with its eyes and hears with its ears, the word of God is close to us, if it is in our mouth and in our hearts, it will allow or prompt us to do it, it is about the same as hiding His word in the heart that the person may do it and not sin, it can be set toward or purpose to do something, it melts due to fear and becomes like water and in so doing strips the person of the spirit that gives them the will to fight or to have courage, it is instructed to incline or to bow or bend or to be like the Lord God, it can be directed toward someone or something, great thoughts and searchings of [the] heart, it can be with or against someone or something, to tell or show someone all one’s heart is to show or tell the whole truth, it can be made merry due to drinking alcohol, it can be comforted by being or feeling at peace, it grieves, it can speak within itself with emotions flowing and cause the mouth to move with or without the voice, the mind is mentioned with the heart again, it trembles for or toward someone or something, the person can harden their heart, God gave another heart, man looks on the outward appearance but Go looks on the heart, it can be naughty, it can strike or hit the person to cause something to bother them, it can take offense, the heart can die causing the person to be like a stone, Saul was afraid and his heart greatly trembled, it desires or has desires, it despises, it favors or is favorable toward, it chases after, it looks toward or in the direction of, it is valiant like “the heart of a lion”, it melts, it bows or submits to, it unifies with others to be as one or like them, it can be upright, by it we understand things so that we can discern between good and bad, to be given a wise and understanding heart is to be wise and have understanding, some like Solomon who have largeness of heart understand a great many things, it leans toward or away from, it is joyful and glad as well as sorrowful and sad, the eyes and heart of God shall be there perpetually, what is that? It can be perfect before God or not, it can go with someone else as though it has a spirit body of its own separating itself from the person temporarily, unlike God who did it perpetually, it is troubled, it lifts up or exalts someone or itself, it is tender when young, it units or to be like minded but not knit, tied, or joined together like the soul does, a person can be double hearted, it can be full, complete, perfect, pure, true, undivided, ready, sincere, faithful, entire, or peaceable, it rejoices, sets itself, gives, appoints, applies, or commits the itself and soul, ‘to serve God with a perfect heart and a willing mind’ should be of the heart itself as it is in the heart that He searches and not of the soul, it can be prepared to seek God and when it is not prepared it is seen as evil in the sight of God, seeking God with all or the whole heart and desire sounds like there is more than one part to the heart, also, doing this will cause the person to find God, it lifts or exalts itself up to boast, it does things freely or willingly for it has a will of its own, both the will and desire is of the heart but the soul has the same only it is for the physical body, similar to the lust of the eyes and of the flesh, it is sorrowful which makes the countenance sad, it is faithful, it is glad, it may curse someone or something, it can carry a person away from (figuratively), it chases, goes after, or pursues, it utters words out of the physical mouth and causes one to look on themselves as lofty or lifted up above others even God and turns or directs their spirit to be against, or it can do the opposite or reciprocal of the above statement, it appears that the heart can direct the persons spirit, God can prevent the heart from understanding or make it soft, it can reproach, criticize, blame, or cause oneself to feel ashamed, it can follow or walk after the lust of or the direction of the eyes, it can be deceived, secretly enticed, hypocritical, and when it trembles or is fearful it can be moved out of its place, wisdom is put in the inward parts where understanding is in the heart, we can commune with it, the soul can talk familiarly with and have free and open intercourse or conversation in mutual communication of thought, opinions, and intensions with the heart, God tries the hearts and reins, double hearted is to believe and doubt, Psa 13:2, it is sorrowful, speaks truth in it, it is proved, tested, examined, tried as in a trial in the natural, it meditates, Psa 21:2 says that what a person of God desires from the heart and says from his lips God will not withhold it but will give it even though this is talking about Jesus.Psa 22:14 I am poured outH8210 like water,H4325 and allH3605 my bonesH6106 are out of joint:H6504 my heartH3820 isH1961 like wax;H1749 it is meltedH4549 in the midstH8432 of my bowels.H4578 , looks like the heart is in the bowels, stomach, or belly. It appears to be in the area of the belly and that is also where the spirit of man and the Spirit of God is.
Joh 7:38He that believethG4100onG1519me,G1691asG2531theG3588scriptureG1124hath said,G2036out ofG1537hisG846bellyG2836shall flowG4482riversG4215of livingG2198water.G5204
The heart repeats events or words over and over again, looking for a resolution, also when you hear a song it causes the song to play in your head repeatedly, it is the wall to the city, it is the cause of ones habits, preventing one from stopping as it seeks pleasures, is very easily influenced and susceptible to outside suggestions, like someone folding their arms and then you find yourself doing the same, it seeks to be accepted by others, it is the one doing the talking when one is under hypnosis or speaks while asleep, it dreams when asleep because it never sleeps, and anything that one does without thought.
The heart shall live forever, it enlarges, builds up, makes bigger, or amplifies the troubles or problems as well as thing it views as fun, good, uplifting, beneficial, …etc., to prove me and to try my heart and reins sounds like the heart and reins are not the person but the me spoken here I believe is the spirit of man, if we have good courage God will strengthen our hearts that put our hope in Him, God is nigh or close to those who have a broken, destroyed, or badly hurt by grief or misfortune heart, and saves such as have a contrite, repentant, or deeply sorry for having thought, said, or done wrong spirit, when situations get to be too much for the person to handle and they are at their wits end the disquietness, groanings, or sorrow of heart will cause them to physical cry out, scream, or roar in frustration, weariness, exasperation, or unsatisfied desires, the heart gets angry and the more one meditates on the thing that got them angry, the angrier the person gets, it has secrets that God knows and uses it to search for things, it meditates so that it understands. Psa 51:6 & 10 suggests that the heart or parts of the heart are of the inward part(s) and the spirit of man being the hidden part, of which the bible says is in the belly, bowels, or reins. I think it should read, ‘thou desirest truth in my inward parts, and the spirit of man is one of them, and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom‘, that being either the spirit of man or some other part in the spirit of man.
Psa 51:10, God creates the clean heart by removing the old one out of the flesh and not the head and replacing it with one that now has His Word/laws in it and rebuilds the old spirit man to be like Him again rather than the devil. A righteous person needs a clean house to live in, so also, a spirit that is made right, needs a clean heart to live in. The spirit of and in the person, influences the heart and soul or conscious part of the person. The spirit of and in the person, meaning, the person’s own spirit and whatever other spirits that are in him/her, as more than one spirit and more than one kind can live in the same person. And only God can create, repair, remove, replace, heal, fix,…etc., a heart and spirit. Again, the inward parts might be the spirit of the person, the law is put in the inward parts and written in their hearts, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law and the words of the lord which He has sent in his spirit, God also commands us to make us a new heart and spirit by casting all our transgressions from us.
The heart can be broken and contrite which God will not despise, it is pained within the person, it is fixed, it is overwhelmed, we are told to pour out our heart to God, those who consider seriously or regard iniquities in their heart God will not hear, again, the heart shall live that seek God, The flesh and heart fail in that they have limits and when those limits are surpassed God is the rock, boulder, salvation, or shelter in a cliffs’ edge forever, it is stout, strong, brawny, courageous, and determined, we meditate with our hearts, we commune with it by putting questions to it, conversing with it in order to find out the reason of the present situation and my spirit looks for ways and means of deliverance out of them, and what would be the issues and consequences of them. It lusts after and for things, the flesh cries out with earnest longing or desire because the heart cried out, therefore the flesh reacts, it errs, wanders, or deviates from the right way or true path, to make a mistake; to commit error; to do wrong from ignorance or inattention, to have a forward heart is to be a wicked person to God, one who looks down on others is due to a proud heart, it can be smitten and withered like grass like grass that is dried from drought or when cut from the base so that it no longer has its life force causing it to loose its strength, wine will have an effect on the heart in that it will make it glad, it rejoices and needs to do so when seeking the Lord, it can be turn to hate, it can be wounded, again, the whole heart sounds like there is more than one part to the it, it can be like fat grease, dull of hearing, lack of conscience, insensitive, oblivious to pain and sufferings, …etc., it stands in awe, when God searches us He will then know the heart and when He tries, proves, tests, or put us thru trials He knows our thoughts, it imagines or visualizes mischief or good, when the spirit is overwhelmed the heart is desolate, devastated, destitute, destroyed laid or made waste.
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( This is basically just a copy of post #83 - with attached images embedded - to make it more readable... )
DISCLAIMER: The following discussion is naturally based on my 'world-view' - the collective summation of my knowledge, understanding, and perspectives of the reality which is "my world"...
First, I need to define some terms...
The following are the characteristically distinguishable 'realms' of human existence - as determined by self-awareness:
~ Physical
~ Physiological
~ Psychological
~ Mental
~ Emotional
~ Spiritual
'Physical' is the realm of the passive components of the body.
'Physiological' is the realm of active processes of the body - where direct communication (electrical or chemical) occurs within a body component or between body components.
'Psychological' is the realm of active processes of the brain - where physical-reality perception-and-thought occur.
'Mental' is the realm of intellect - where the thought and reasoning of the mind occur.
'Emotional' is the realm of feelings/desires - where the thought and reasoning of the heart occur.
'Spiritual' is the realm of the living essence of the person.
The following defines different identifiable "parts" of a human being in terms of the 'realms' of human existance that each occupies:
The brain overlaps both the body and the mind (which do not overlap) - connecting them together - and is the "portal" through which the body and the mind communicate - and through which the spirit keeps the body alive. At death ("brain dead"), the connection is broken and the body separates from the mind. The mind continues (because it still has the spirit), but the body stops functioning (because the brain is no longer being kept alive by the spirit - and the body cannot live without the brain).
"the real person" => mind + heart + spirit
The spirit is the "life-force" - which is "God-breathed" - that quickens the soul (and the body, while it is present).
The 'identity' of a person rests in the 'soul' => mind + heart
Both the mind and the heart have "thoughts":
The "feelings" and "desires" of the heart are two "facets" of the same thing.
"head knowledge" is based on the "intellect" of the mind.
"heart knowledge" is based on the "feelings"/"desires" of the heart.
In the Bible, the usage of the words 'heart' and 'soul' have [somewhat] different meanings, depending on the context of scripture.
However - in most cases, if not all, where the idea of "thoughts of the heart" is represented -- it is referring to the feelings/desires of the heart --- mostly, desires (intents) of the heart.
DISCLAIMER: The following discussion is naturally based on my 'world-view' - the collective summation of my knowledge, understanding, and perspectives of the reality which is "my world"...
First, I need to define some terms...
The following are the characteristically distinguishable 'realms' of human existence - as determined by self-awareness:
~ Physical
~ Physiological
~ Psychological
~ Mental
~ Emotional
~ Spiritual
'Physical' is the realm of the passive components of the body.
'Physiological' is the realm of active processes of the body - where direct communication (electrical or chemical) occurs within a body component or between body components.
'Psychological' is the realm of active processes of the brain - where physical-reality perception-and-thought occur.
'Mental' is the realm of intellect - where the thought and reasoning of the mind occur.
'Emotional' is the realm of feelings/desires - where the thought and reasoning of the heart occur.
'Spiritual' is the realm of the living essence of the person.
The following defines different identifiable "parts" of a human being in terms of the 'realms' of human existance that each occupies:
The brain overlaps both the body and the mind (which do not overlap) - connecting them together - and is the "portal" through which the body and the mind communicate - and through which the spirit keeps the body alive. At death ("brain dead"), the connection is broken and the body separates from the mind. The mind continues (because it still has the spirit), but the body stops functioning (because the brain is no longer being kept alive by the spirit - and the body cannot live without the brain).
"the real person" => mind + heart + spirit
The spirit is the "life-force" - which is "God-breathed" - that quickens the soul (and the body, while it is present).
The 'identity' of a person rests in the 'soul' => mind + heart
Both the mind and the heart have "thoughts":
The "feelings" and "desires" of the heart are two "facets" of the same thing.
"head knowledge" is based on the "intellect" of the mind.
"heart knowledge" is based on the "feelings"/"desires" of the heart.
In the Bible, the usage of the words 'heart' and 'soul' have [somewhat] different meanings, depending on the context of scripture.
However - in most cases, if not all, where the idea of "thoughts of the heart" is represented -- it is referring to the feelings/desires of the heart --- mostly, desires (intents) of the heart.