The natural man/woman

[Miri]

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 AMPC
[14] But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome
or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and
he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing,
understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them]
because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.

[15] But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires
into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and
judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can
properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hmm, I think you need first to consider context prior to other text. I have no problem that the Bible must harmonize with each other, but how can you harmonize the text with other text references when you cannot harmonize within its context. Absolutely, comparing spiritual things with spiritual is what the Bible says but have you not made so far completely going against what really the context is?
Hoho, Is that really what the Bible says about the Philippian Jailor? Did the jailor man understood what just happened(events of an earthquake) and therefore he had been regenerated?

How can a natural man/woman be regenerated if he/she will not respond to the spiritual God? It could be magic! That is what you are trying to offer to me. If the Holy Spirit cannot indwell the natural man/woman then no one is save. Everyone is lost until now.

Not only that, I referred to cultist groups, JW’s/Mormons etc and you are saying these groups of people are regenerated children of God?

Please clarify… are you not/now going to your own ideas?

Thanks,

Your question; "How can a natural man/woman be regenerated if he/she will not respond to the spiritual God?" Answer; Eph 2:5 - Even when we WERE DEAD IN SINS (spiritually dead, unable to discern spiritual things) hath he quickened ( brought us from a spiritual death to a spiritual life ) us together with Christ. The natural man cannot believe in spiritual things, like a spiritual God. Anyone that is worshiping the God of creation is not a natural man that has not been regenerated.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The natural man is anybody that has not received the Spirit to be able to understand the spiritual things of God where He reveals that to those that have received the Spirit, and they have the mind of Christ to be able to understand truth as the man Christ Jesus could understand truth.

For the natural man can only understand things from his fleshy mind not having the Spirit.

And this natural man can be someone of the world, or someone claiming Christ but does not accept the truth of Christianity, for they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, so where they err is they do not want to let go of all the ways of the world, and then have an excuse that they are still right with God, so it hinders them from the truth for they think they are alright despite their sins, which causes them to be unable to receive the Spirit.

That is why Jesus said enter in the straight gate, for many are on the wide path not having a proper understanding of the truth.

Which does not mean we might not sin after we are saved, but we should have the proper perspective of truth, for then we will get rid of it, and move forward in the Spirit, where many do not have the proper perspective of truth, but hold unto sin and think it does not affect their relationship with God.

Which the Bible says at the last generation they will be pure in their own eyes, but not washed away from their filthiness, which the Bible says if they hold unto sin then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away, for God will not take something away from them that they hold unto.

I am not sure that you understand the unregenerate man. he cannot understand spiritual truths, none. Christ washed away the sins of all of those that he died for and stated that they would be in heaven with him (John 6:38).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 AMPC
[14] But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome
or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the
Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and
he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing,
understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them]
because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.

[15] But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires
into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and
judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can
properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

I will agree with that, even though it is from another version other than the KJV.

 

[Miri]

I will agree with that, even though it is from another version other than the KJV.

The amplified bible is great for using along side another version. It does more
justice to the original bible language. If I’m struggling to understand something
the amplified often helps. 🙂


The AMP does this through the use of explanatory alternate readings and
amplifications to assist the reader in understanding what Scripture really
says. Multiple English word equivalents to each key Hebrew and Greek word
clarify and amplify meanings that may otherwise have been concealed by
the traditional translation method. The first edition was published in 1965.

https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Amplified-Bible-AMP/

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yeah.......but kinda harsh.........the "natural man" in my opinion is the Carnal Christian that Paul spoke of often. He simply has not (as you stated) received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit......and/or not grown/matured enough in Christ to understand the Spiritual Truths of the Gospel.

I believe one of his limitations is his inability to produce "fruit" for the Kingdom.

thanks

The carnal persons that Paul was talking about were being fed as babes in Christ. The natural man is not in Christ. The only way the natural man can get in Christ is that God has to regenerate him (Eph 2:5). The natural man cannot discern spiritual things, not even the babes in Christ spiritual things.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The natural man is anybody that has not received the Spirit to be able to understand the spiritual things of God where He reveals that to those that have received the Spirit, and they have the mind of Christ to be able to understand truth as the man Christ Jesus could understand truth.

For the natural man can only understand things from his fleshy mind not having the Spirit.

And this natural man can be someone of the world, or someone claiming Christ but does not accept the truth of Christianity, for they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, so where they err is they do not want to let go of all the ways of the world, and then have an excuse that they are still right with God, so it hinders them from the truth for they think they are alright despite their sins, which causes them to be unable to receive the Spirit.

That is why Jesus said enter in the straight gate, for many are on the wide path not having a proper understanding of the truth.

Which does not mean we might not sin after we are saved, but we should have the proper perspective of truth, for then we will get rid of it, and move forward in the Spirit, where many do not have the proper perspective of truth, but hold unto sin and think it does not affect their relationship with God.

Which the Bible says at the last generation they will be pure in their own eyes, but not washed away from their filthiness, which the Bible says if they hold unto sin then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away, for God will not take something away from them that they hold unto.

Most of the people on this forum are not able to come to the knowledge of the truth, but I would venture to say that probably they are all regenerated children of God. If you would, could you give me the scripture that says "if they hold unto sin then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away?

 

[fredoheaven]

Your question; "How can a natural man/woman be regenerated if he/she will not respond to the spiritual God?" Answer; Eph 2:5 - Even when we WERE DEAD IN SINS (spiritually dead, unable to discern spiritual things) hath he quickened ( brought us from a spiritual death to a spiritual life ) us together with Christ. The natural man cannot believe in spiritual things, like a spiritual God. Anyone that is worshiping the God of creation is not a natural man that has not been regenerated.

Hoho, you are saying before, the natural man cannot respond to spiritual things and then you are now trying to answer now your own. using your system. Still the natural man as you always say cannot comprehend spiritual things which is somewhat a contradiction to the reference text of Eph 2:5. Seems the system you are telling us again and again cannot harmonize ...yet seems you haven't answered the question...

 

[oldethennew]

of course, when we are 'babes' in Christ, we know that our 'old-world's sins/ addictions -
are Forgiven upon conversion, and that our brand new journey begins, and we are given
a 'brand-new/clean start, but,
Christ has many expectations of us 'after being called-out,-chosen-elected;
will you be among the 'ones' who deny the god of this world and choose to live/serve
the only One and True God, The Creator of all that is and all that will ever be???
"denying self"???

go into your head/heart, and question yourselves, whether you are serving your Holy Saviour-
to the 'max'. or 'man's fake interpretation???