The Nature of Tradition.

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The Nature of Tradition
"Search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me. And ye will not come to Me, that ye may have life"
(John 5:39-5:40)
"In defending sola Scriptura, Protestant apologists invariably use Roman Catholic theology as a foil. It is asserted that Roman Catholics accept two sources of authority -- Scripture and tradition -- and that tradition is given equal weight with Scripture. Second, it is asserted that Roman Catholic reliance on tradition has resulted in the modern doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and papal infallibility. From these premises, Protestants conclude that sola Scriptura is the only safeguard against aberrant doctrinal developments.
"First of all, the doctrinal aberrations of the Roman Catholic Church are manifestly not part of the universal tradition of the Church. The Orthodox Church opposes the Roman doctrines of universal papal jurisdiction, papal infallibility, purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception precisely because they are untraditional.
"Furthermore, the Orthodox Church has never accepted the Roman Catholic assertion that there are two sources of authority. The Church recognizes one and only one source of authority for Her faith and practice: the apostolic tradition. The Divine Scriptures are part -- albeit the most important part - of that tradition. To set the Scriptures up as something over and apart from tradition is to have the tail wagging the dog." [Carlton, Clark. (1997). THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church. Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 135-136.].
God save us in the blood and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington ERIE PA USA JANUARY 2012 AD


 
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Tradition!!! It is tradition that men can decide on our holidays and give them the name of Christ. It is tradition that men can take over for God and decide against His day of worship. It is tradition to ignore that Christ said “I and the Father are One” and wipe out a lot of the OT as obsolete. It is tradition that the Holy Spirit given to everyone, and Christ’s work on the cross wiped out Moses. It is tradition that no grace was given until Christ came and Jews are still trying to “work their way to heaven”. That one is given as an excuse to not do anything to worship God except go to church on the day of the sun. Nimrod started that tradition as part of sun worship. Tradition says that it is right for men to change because Christ rose on that day. Christ and God are one, there is no contradiction, they said worship on Saturday, men said Sunday.
Jews need to go to church to learn of Christ, and Christians need to go to synagogue to learn of God.
Scripture works. Men’s ideas don’t. Men’s modeling of God is what idols are made of.
 

superdave5221

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The Nature of Tradition
"Search the Scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me. And ye will not come to Me, that ye may have life" (John 5:39-5:40)
"In defending sola Scriptura, Protestant apologists invariably use Roman Catholic theology as a foil. It is asserted that Roman Catholics accept two sources of authority -- Scripture and tradition -- and that tradition is given equal weight with Scripture. Second, it is asserted that Roman Catholic reliance on tradition has resulted in the modern doctrines of the Immaculate Conception and papal infallibility. From these premises, Protestants conclude that sola Scriptura is the only safeguard against aberrant doctrinal developments.
"First of all, the doctrinal aberrations of the Roman Catholic Church are manifestly not part of the universal tradition of the Church. The Orthodox Church opposes the Roman doctrines of universal papal jurisdiction, papal infallibility, purgatory, and the Immaculate Conception precisely because they are untraditional.
"Furthermore, the Orthodox Church has never accepted the Roman Catholic assertion that there are two sources of authority. The Church recognizes one and only one source of authority for Her faith and practice: the apostolic tradition. The Divine Scriptures are part -- albeit the most important part - of that tradition. To set the Scriptures up as something over and apart from tradition is to have the tail wagging the dog." [Carlton, Clark. (1997). THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church. Salisbury, MA: Regina Orthodox Press; pp. 135-136.].
God save us in the blood and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington ERIE PA USA JANUARY 2012 AD
Now if they could just get rid of the other three Marian dogmas, (Divine motherhood; Perpetual Virginity; Assumption), then maybe we can talk.

Oops. I don't think that you believe in the assumption either, am I correct? I believe that was Pius XII of the Roman Church.

Holy Scriptures: norma normans sed non normata
 
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tribesman

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...Jews need to go to church to learn of Christ, and Christians need to go to synagogue to learn of God...
If only the distinguishing between law and gospel is done correctly then both groups need to go only to the place where that is done.

As for traditions, no problem if they are biblical.
2Thes.2

[14] Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[15] Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
But problems if they are not.
Mark.7

[6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.
[8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
[9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Gal.1

[13] For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
[14] And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
 
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loveme1

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"Jews need to go to church to learn of Christ, and Christians need to go to synagogue to learn of God."



Actually both need to go to the Bible and let the Holy spirit guide them.
 
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Loveme: Actually both need to go to the Bible and let the Holy spirit guide them.

No one could say it better!!
 
Nov 23, 2011
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Tradition!!! It is tradition that men can decide on our holidays and give them the name of Christ. It is tradition that men can take over for God and decide against His day of worship. It is tradition to ignore that Christ said “I and the Father are One” and wipe out a lot of the OT as obsolete. It is tradition that the Holy Spirit given to everyone, and Christ’s work on the cross wiped out Moses. It is tradition that no grace was given until Christ came and Jews are still trying to “work their way to heaven”. That one is given as an excuse to not do anything to worship God except go to church on the day of the sun. Nimrod started that tradition as part of sun worship. Tradition says that it is right for men to change because Christ rose on that day. Christ and God are one, there is no contradiction, they said worship on Saturday, men said Sunday.
Jews need to go to church to learn of Christ, and Christians need to go to synagogue to learn of God.
Scripture works. Men’s ideas don’t. Men’s modeling of God is what idols are made of.
Dear RedTent: Tradition is not a "dirty word". What does Scripture say? "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV). Nothing wrong with traditions in the Bible verse. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Scripture indeed works. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 regarding tradition is Scripture!
God said to let know man judge another regarding sabbath days or the Sabbath day (Colossians 2:16), so it is not wrong to worship Christ on Sunday, the day He rose from the dead. His resurrection saves repentant sinners, not keeping the Saturday Sabbath.
 
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"Jews need to go to church to learn of Christ, and Christians need to go to synagogue to learn of God."



Actually both need to go to the Bible and let the Holy spirit guide them.

The synagogues of the Jews today are synagogues of Satan. Anyone who rejects Christ is of the devil.