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Shwagga

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WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR STAND AT THE JUDGEMENT SEAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL JEHOVAH THAT HIS NAME IS NOT A WORD OR IT MEANS NOTHING? WOW. I DON T THINK I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT. THIS IS SAD ABOUT THE STATEMENTS YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOST FALSE MOVEMENTS TODAY CALLED JEHOVAH WITNESSES EVEN KNOW THAT HIS NAME IS JEHOVAH. BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY KNOW HIM PERSONALLY AS JEHOVAH. YOU DO YOUR STUDY BUDDY.
Seeing how Jehovah, Yehovah or Yehowah is grammatically impossible in Hebrew and no Jewish or Hebrew scholar has disputed the origin of this word for hundreds of years. I am pretty confident that's not the name of God. You probably wouldn't make those kind of statements because you don't like to study things out on your own.

Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult and they use a false pronunciation of יהוה I wouldn't use them as a resource. This is like arguing over my name is Shwagga and your name is kyng_james.
 
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kyng_james

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If he is under the blood of Christ he wont be judged
TRUE, BUT EVEN CHRISTIAN HAS A JUDGEMENT SEAT COMING..AND NOT MANY CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO BE HAPPY BY THE LOOK ON HIS FACE. FOR HIS EYES WILL BE LIKE FIRE WHICH IS FIGURATIVE. WHAT THAT MEAN IS HE IS GOING TO JUDGE OUR HEART, ACCORDING TO WHAT WE DONE FOR CHRIST. WHAT WE HEARD, AND DID NOT ACCEPT. WHAT WE SAY AND DID NOT SPEAK THE WHOLE TRUTH. WHAT WE DONE WITH OUR TIME, BRING PEOPLE TO CHRIST, ETC..ETC..DONT NOT BE COMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DODGED HELL BUT KNOW THAT WE ARE TO BE CHRIST LIKE. HE SET AN EXAMPLE FOR US AND WE ARE TO FOLLOW IT. THE HARVEST IS GREAT BUT THE WORKERS ARE FEW. WE HAVE SUCH A FEW LABORERS AND THAT IS WHAT IS SAD ABOUT THE CHURCHES.
 
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Melvainyo

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LOL, I LOVE FACTS!!
I cracks me up when people are shouting "believe the facts" from "reliable sources" when its God they should be asking for the facts from. XD By people I mean PEOPLE. *winks*
 
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kyng_james

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Seeing how Jehovah, Yehovah or Yehowah is grammatically impossible in Hebrew and no Jewish or Hebrew scholar has disputed the origin of this word for hundreds of years. I am pretty confident that's not the name of God. You probably wouldn't make those kind of statements because you don't like to study things out on your own.

Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult and they use a false pronunciation of יהוה I wouldn't use them as a resource. This is like arguing over my name is Shwagga and your name is kyng_james.
VERY SAD BRO, U STILL DIDNT MAKE A POINT. IF YOU WANT TO STAND THAT, GOD FORBID THE DAMAGE THAT IS BEING DONE TO HIS NAME.
 
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kyng_james

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I cracks me up when people are shouting "believe the facts" from "reliable sources" when its God they should be asking for the facts from. XD By people I mean PEOPLE. *winks*
I KNOW RIGHT! I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS OR WHAT YOU THINK. IT IS WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS..THUS SAYETH THE LORD..NOT THUS SAYETH THE MAN. LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR...THAT IS BIBLE.
 
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angelos

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Are we sharpening each other or are we getting frustrated with each other and letting emotion control our response. I'm all for discussing things like this but we shouldn't let our disagreements get in the way of the fact we are in the same family
 
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angelos

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I cracks me up when people are shouting "believe the facts" from "reliable sources" when its God they should be asking for the facts from. XD By people I mean PEOPLE. *winks*
What if God is giving you the fact from a reliable source o_O
 
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Shwagga

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VERY SAD BRO, U STILL DIDNT MAKE A POINT. IF YOU WANT TO STAND THAT, GOD FORBID THE DAMAGE THAT IS BEING DONE TO HIS NAME.
YEHOVAH OR JEHOVAH is grammatically IMPOSSIBLE in Hebrew.. Is that a good enough point? Here, if you want more facts..

"A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of the Masorites: = “Adonay”) with the consonants of the “ketib” (text-reading: = “Yhwh”)—”Adonay” (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books. “Adonay” presents the vowels “shewa” (the composite under the guttural א becomes simple under the י), “ḥolem,” and “ḳameẓ,” and these give the reading (= “Jehovah”). Sometimes, when the two names and occur together, the former is pointed with “ḥatef segol” () under the י —thus, (=”Jehovah”)—to indicate that in this combination it is to be pronounced “Elohim” (). These substitutions of “Adonay”and “Elohim” for Yhwh were devised to avoid the profanation of the Ineffable Name (hence is also written , or even , and read “ha-Shem” = “the Name “).

The reading “Jehovah” is a comparatively recent invention. The earlier Christian commentators report that the Tetragrammaton was written but not pronounced by the Jews (see Theodoret, “Question. xv. in Ex.” [Field, "Hexapla," i. 90, to Ex. vi. 3]; Jerome, “Præfatio Regnorum,” and his letter to Marcellus, “Epistola,” 136, where he notices that “PIPI” [= ΠIΠI = ] is presented in Greek manuscripts; Origen, see “Hexapla” to Ps. lxxi. 18 and Isa. i. 2; comp. concordance to LXX. by Hatch and Redpath, under ΠIΠI, which occasionally takes the place of the usual κύριος, in Philo’s Bible quotations; κύριος = “Adonay” is the regular translation; see also Aquila)."

Read more at: JewishEncyclopedia.com - JEHOVAH:
 
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kyng_james

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OH YEAH FACTS ONLY FROM GOD'S WORD NOT WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT OR WHAT A MAN TAUGHT YOU.
 
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kyng_james

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YEHOVAH OR JEHOVAH is grammatically IMPOSSIBLE in Hebrew.. Is that a good enough point? Here, if you want more facts..

"A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew “Yhwh,” the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or “Shem ha-Meforash”). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the “ḳere” (marginal reading of the Masorites: = “Adonay”) with the consonants of the “ketib” (text-reading: = “Yhwh”)—”Adonay” (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books. “Adonay” presents the vowels “shewa” (the composite under the guttural א becomes simple under the י), “ḥolem,” and “ḳameẓ,” and these give the reading (= “Jehovah”). Sometimes, when the two names and occur together, the former is pointed with “ḥatef segol” () under the י —thus, (=”Jehovah”)—to indicate that in this combination it is to be pronounced “Elohim” (). These substitutions of “Adonay”and “Elohim” for Yhwh were devised to avoid the profanation of the Ineffable Name (hence is also written , or even , and read “ha-Shem” = “the Name “).

The reading “Jehovah” is a comparatively recent invention. The earlier Christian commentators report that the Tetragrammaton was written but not pronounced by the Jews (see Theodoret, “Question. xv. in Ex.” [Field, "Hexapla," i. 90, to Ex. vi. 3]; Jerome, “Præfatio Regnorum,” and his letter to Marcellus, “Epistola,” 136, where he notices that “PIPI” [= ΠIΠI = ] is presented in Greek manuscripts; Origen, see “Hexapla” to Ps. lxxi. 18 and Isa. i. 2; comp. concordance to LXX. by Hatch and Redpath, under ΠIΠI, which occasionally takes the place of the usual κύριος, in Philo’s Bible quotations; κύριος = “Adonay” is the regular translation; see also Aquila)."

Read more at: JewishEncyclopedia.com - JEHOVAH:
NICE COPY AND PASTING BRO. BUT NO THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR THEORY OR FACTS SHOULD I SAY.
 
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Shwagga

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OH YEAH FACTS ONLY FROM GOD'S WORD NOT WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT OR WHAT A MAN TAUGHT YOU.
OK, facts from GODS Word.

וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃

וַיֹּאמֶר֩ עֹ֨וד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה כֹּֽה־תֹאמַר֮ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵאלֹהֵ֥י יַעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר


I don't see the word Jehovah, do you???
 
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Shwagga

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NICE COPY AND PASTING BRO. BUT NO THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR THEORY OR FACTS SHOULD I SAY.
Yeah, I copy and pasted the article... You wanted facts from Hebrew scholars right? I would LOVE to see you try and find ANY evidence for Jehovah.
 
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angelos

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that is a fact about God's word The King James bible is a human translation of God's word
 
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kyng_james

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Are we sharpening each other or are we getting frustrated with each other and letting emotion control our response. I'm all for discussing things like this but we shouldn't let our disagreements get in the way of the fact we are in the same family
WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE WHO IS TENSE AND IS TRYING REAL HARD TO DISCREDIT THE NAME JEHOVAH, OR ATLEAST MAKE ME BELIEVE IT IS NOT GOD'S NAME. WHAT AUTHORITY DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE GOD'S NAME AND SAY IT MEANS NOTHING SCWAGGA. AND YOU ARE RIGHT ANGELOS, WE MUST NOT GET CARRIED AWAY IN OUR EMOTIONS. LETS JUST DISCUSS WHAT REALLY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. SCWAGGA BRO, U ARE ON SOMETHING OUT OF THIS WORLD THOUGH.
 
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kyng_james

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Yeah, I copy and pasted the article... You wanted facts from Hebrew scholars right? I would LOVE to see you try and find ANY evidence for Jehovah.
BRO, I GAVE YOU VERSES FROM GOD'S WORD. THATS THE ONLY PROOF I AM GIVING YOU.
 
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Shwagga

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kyng_james, you'd make a better argument that the moon is made out of cheese. You are not open to any facts and are very ignorant.
 
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kyng_james

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Yeah, I copy and pasted the article... You wanted facts from Hebrew scholars right? I would LOVE to see you try and find ANY evidence for Jehovah.
and I would LOVE to see you stop saying that God's NAME is not a WORD or means anything.
 
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kyng_james

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kyng_james, you'd make a better argument that the moon is made out of cheese. You are not open to any facts and are very ignorant.
NOT OPEN TO ANY FACTS! HAH! BURN YOUR FACTS BUDDY CUS IM STANDING ON THE ONE AND ONLY VERSION OF GOD'S WORD. KING JAMES VERSION.
 
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Shwagga

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and I would LOVE to see you stop saying that God's NAME is not a WORD or means anything.
Jehovah is not God's name, Jehovah does not have any meaning. You said you loved facts? These are facts. Fact #3 this conversation isn't going anywhere because you are not open to them.