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JohnR7

JohnR7

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Blik said:
Do you mean the language of Hebrew?
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The letters have symbolic value. People do not realize that every letter has meaning. A is the head of an ox, b represents a tent or dwelling, c represents camel or commerce, d represents a door, at the time the torah was given the doorway to the tent or tabernacle. They say God spoke creation into existance and He used the Hebrew letters. Even every pen stroke has meaning. There are 600,000 letters that make up the Torah. Just as there were 600,000 souls that left Egypt. Each letter also has a numeric value. Even in the Greek numbers are expressed using letters.
 

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Magdaleana said:
Hello Lafftur, thanks for your reply. I posted this question as the other day I came across someone who has been a dedicated Christian far longer than me, and he said that it's possible that some who have goodness in their hearts will go to heaven apart from Jesus. It made me feel arrogant and exclusive, and I wondered if I was wrong, and I wanted some insight from other Christians. So yes, I'm asking if Jesus Christ IS the only way :)
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Hello Magdaleana,

Yes, Yeshua/Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY of salvation and going to Heaven. This is ONLY known, understood and believed if the Holy Spirit of God reveals it to the person, otherwise we're just crazy foolish Christians.

It's not surprising when people don't believe Yeshua/Jesus is the ONLY WAY, it just hasn't been revealed to them. Yeshua/Jesus said, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to Me." So, we just keep telling everyone that Yeshua/Jesus is the ONLY WAY and God loves them and has a plan for their life. No one has to go to Hell, God has made a way for us! :love:(y)
 
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JohnR7 said:
The letters have symbolic value. People do not realize that every letter has meaning. A is the head of an ox, b represents a tent or dwelling, c represents camel or commerce, d represents a door, at the time the torah was given the doorway to the tent or tabernacle. They say God spoke creation into existance and He used the Hebrew letters. Even every pen stroke has meaning. There are 600,000 letters that make up the Torah. Just as there were 600,000 souls that left Egypt. Each letter also has a numeric value. Even in the Greek numbers are expressed using letters.
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I like it when you use your knowledge to teach John. Good post.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Most people believe the law was given through Moses. So we have 2,000 years of lawlessness where people did what seemed right in their own eyes. Then we have 2,000 under the law and 2,000 in the age of Grace. Some people believe the law goes back to Abraham, some believe the law goes back to Adam. They talk about the Oral tradition.
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Well, I think if we want to get to the literal heart of the law we must recall Gods command unto Adam in the garden. Thou shalt not eat....
Gods law has ever been and ever shall be. Where can we go that we escape it?
 
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Whispered said:
Well, I think if we want to get to the literal heart of the law we must recall Gods command unto Adam in the garden. Thou shalt not eat....
Gods law has ever been and ever shall be. Where can we go that we escape it?
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We always have to start at the beginning. They call this the law of first usage. In this case I do not really understand what the tree of knowledge of good and evil represents. In context we are told that: "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it." (Genesis 3:6) Usually the lesson is we need to go by God and what He tells us. What looks good to us may not be so good.

As far as "where can we go to escape it". We can do what we want to do. The issue has to do with doing what we do not want to do. Then we have a conflict with ourselves.
 
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JohnR7 said:
We always have to start at the beginning. They call this the law of first usage. In this case I do not really understand what the tree of knowledge of good and evil represents. In context we are told that: "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it." (Genesis 3:6) Usually the lesson is we need to go by God and what He tells us. What looks good to us may not be so good.

As far as "where can we go to escape it". We can do what we want to do. The issue has to do with doing what we do not want to do. Then we have a conflict with ourselves.
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Remember? After Eve and Adam, who was with her, also ate of that tree, God later observed, "they" had become like "us", knowing good from evil. Which translates also to , right from wrong.
What then is the deeper message when God knows right from wrong, planted that very tree bearing the fruit that would bestow that knowledge on those who consumed it, and then cast out the first two people He created for then knowing those very things that would have allowed them to actually comprehend His prohibition in the first place; do not eat. Because they did not at first know how to obey God because they did not know obedience or disobedience so as to make an informed choice. They simply followed in innocence what they were told, and then were beguiled by a wiser spirit, the serpent, that was allowed to tempt them to disobey God, when they weren't consciously able to choose to obey or disobey before eating of that fruit.

Where is the message then?
Why is it wrong to become like God and know right from wrong, good from evil?
 
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Whispered said:
Well, I think if we want to get to the literal heart of the law we must recall Gods command unto Adam in the garden. Thou shalt not eat....
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The LORD told Adam he could eat freely of any tree of the garden. But don't eat the bitter nut of the almond tree because it is poisonous and will cause you to die. Considering the following verse, that sounds more like good advise rather than a law.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1:29

But of course, the two trees might be books, if the message I heard is different than the one you read, then that is probably the reason for the difference of opinions.
 
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UnoiAmarah said:
the Son of God.
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Oh, my Sweet Lord, another messenger one. :cautious:

You should go on the Net and find a Bible. Then look up the passage that warns you against adding to or taking away from the Word of God, the Bible.
I knew this wasn't scripture, in your post #49: "The LORD told Adam he could eat freely of any tree of the garden. But don't eat the bitter nut of the almond tree because it is poisonous and will cause you to die. Considering the following verse, that sounds more like good advise rather than a law. "

God protect us.
 
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Whispered said:
Oh, my Sweet Lord, another messenger one. :cautious:
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I simply stated that I disagreed with your message that sin comes from God.

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You should go on the Net and find a Bible. Then look up the passage that warns you against adding to or taking away from the Word of God, the Bible.
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Show me where it is written that God said sin comes from him, if you're not worried about adding to or taking away from your God's word, why should I.

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I knew this wasn't scripture, in your post #49: "The LORD told Adam he could eat freely of any tree of the garden.
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Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

I wasn't quoting scripture when I wrote "The LORD told Adam he could eat freely of any tree of the garden. But don't eat the bitter nut of the almond tree because it is poisonous and will cause you to die "

My name is Adam, so are you saying that bitter almonds aren't poisonous, or you just writing things to be writing. Do you know the difference between the fruit of the tree of life and the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? They say it tastes like the fruit of a pineapple tree, but I eaten a pineapple from a tree so I don't know what it taste like, but pineapples from a can, they're delicious.
 
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Whispered said:
Remember? After Eve and Adam, who was with her, also ate of that tree, God later observed, "they" had become like "us", knowing good from evil. Which translates also to , right from wrong.
What then is the deeper message when God knows right from wrong, planted that very tree bearing the fruit that would bestow that knowledge on those who consumed it, and then cast out the first two people He created for then knowing those very things that would have allowed them to actually comprehend His prohibition in the first place; do not eat. Because they did not at first know how to obey God because they did not know obedience or disobedience so as to make an informed choice. They simply followed in innocence what they were told, and then were beguiled by a wiser spirit, the serpent, that was allowed to tempt them to disobey God, when they weren't consciously able to choose to obey or disobey before eating of that fruit.

Where is the message then?
Why is it wrong to become like God and know right from wrong, good from evil?
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"The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other. So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh" (Galatians 5:15) There are people who say it was never God's plan for the animals to devour each other. This is why we are told: "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them." (Isaiah 11:6) "They will neither harm nor destroy on all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the sea is full of water." (Isaiah 11:9)

There was violence in the Earth outside of Eden. Cain was worried about this when he said: "whoever finds me will kill me" (Genesis 4:14) We know that before Adam and Eve murder was a leading cause of death. They would hunt someone down and kill them the way they would kill an animal. People are found with the skull crushed or with a arrowhead or spear head inside of them. Cheddar man is a good example of this. So God wants to restore the earth to the place the Earth was before Satan introduced violence to the Earth.

I had a dream about my daughter in Heaven once and one of the main things I learned from that is in Heaven we always do the will of God. Of course we do not have a physical body there the way we do here. So we are not tempted by that.
 
JohnR7

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UnoiAmarah said:
Show me where it is written that God said sin comes from him,
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"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isa45:7) What is the meaning here to "create evil"?
 
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JohnR7 said:
What is the meaning here to "create evil"?
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It means that God is God. Nothing would exist without Him. It is about sovereinty and omnipotence.

Isaiah 45
45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.
45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto [his] father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
 
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oyster67 said:
It means that God is God. Nothing would exist without Him. It is about sovereinty and omnipotence.
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The basis of Kabbalah is not life but finding a container to put all the sparks of life in. Even the first letter in the Bible is a b which represents a tent or a dwelling place. The incarnation is the idea that: " Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14) We are told that God wanted to become a part of or dwell with His Creation. Jesus came to serve, He did not come wanting to be served.

So the question is how does infinity find a place in a finite world? This is why science and religion talks about the big crunch or contraction.
 
Magdaleana

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JohnR7 said:
The letters have symbolic value. People do not realize that every letter has meaning. A is the head of an ox, b represents a tent or dwelling, c represents camel or commerce, d represents a door, at the time the torah was given the doorway to the tent or tabernacle.
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Can you recommend any good sites where I can learn more on this? Thanks.
 
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