The Origin of the Wedding Ring. Some of you ain't gonna like dis...

[marrion]

wow.isDaniel, its really not that complicated.
Really,its not.

 

[marrion]

isdaniel feast your eyes on this:
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[/TABLE][/h] Dictionary entry overview: What does apparel mean?
• APPAREL (noun)
The noun APPAREL has 1 sense:
1. clothing in general

Familiarity information: APPAREL used as a noun is very rare.

• APPAREL (verb)
The verb APPAREL has 1 sense:
1. provide with clothes or put clothes on

Familiarity information: APPAREL used as a verb is very rare.


Dictionary entry details

• APPAREL (noun)


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Meaning:
Clothing in general
Classified under:
Nouns denoting man-made objects
Synonyms:
apparel; clothes; wearing apparel; dress
Context examples:
she was refined in her choice of apparel / he always bought his clothes at the same store / fastidious about his dress
Hypernyms ("apparel" is a kind of...):
article of clothing; clothing; habiliment; vesture; wear; wearable (a covering designed to be worn on a person's body)
Hyponyms (each of the following is a kind of "apparel"):
workwear (heavy-duty clothes for manual or physical work)

• APPAREL (verb)


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Meaning:
Provide with clothes or put clothes on
Classified under:
Verbs of grooming, dressing and bodily care
Synonyms:
raiment; garment; garb; enclothe; clothe; apparel; tog; fit out; dress; habilitate
Context example:
Parents must feed and dress their child
Hypernyms (to "apparel" is one way to...):
change state; turn (undergo a transformation or a change of position or action)
Troponyms (each of the following is one way to "apparel"):
robe; vest (clothe formally; especially in ecclesiastical robes)
costume; dress up (dress in a costume)
coat (cover or provide with a coat)
shoe (furnish with shoes)
corset (dress with a corset)
overclothe; overdress (dress excessively)
vesture (provide or cover with a cloak)
habit (put a habit on)
shirt (put a shirt on)
frock (put a frock on)
jacket (put a jacket on)
cover; wrap up (clothe, as if for protection from the elements)
prim; prim out; prim up (dress primly)
gown (dress in a gown)

 

[directline2iam]

guilty, but to show we need to be careful about our behaviors and make sure were aren't judging others when we are JUST AS GUILTY. /QUOTE Elizabeth619

Just as guilty meaning I am guilty of having a Christmas tree? Says who? And by the way, saying JUST AS GUILTY is judging, but otherwise, I like your thread.

 

[directline2iam]

In the Old Testament world, marriage was referred to as the taking of a wife. Couples weren't joined together because they had fallen in love; marriage cemented alliances between families and had less to do with love than with property and ownership. A girl was the property of her father until she was married, at which time she became the property of her husband.

A mother might have some say in her daughter's marriage arrangement, but the father had final say and could decide without input from anyone, as was the case when Judah took a wife for his son Er (Genesis 38:6). Marrying within one's community tended to concentrate property and people within that community, and thus the wealth built up within a village or town remained there.

That isn't to say couples never fell in love; they did. But in general, love was something that one hoped would grow out of the marriage alliance.
According to the ancient Hebrew law, marriage between a man and a woman required three things: (1) the man must pay the bride price; (2) the young woman and her father had to consent; and (3) for it to be considered legal, intercourse had to take place.
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Among the ancient Hebrews, it was customary for the father of the groom to pay a mohar, or the purchase price or dowry, to the father of the bride. It could be a monetary payment or an exchange of services or property.

 

[4enlightment]

The Israelite had pick up some habits or customs from the times they were in captivities. Marriage ceremony was a ritual to prove to others that they are join together as one. Wedding in our times has become an competition of whom has the best ceremony. God careless about who has the best wedding, but He does cares about whom keep their commitments.

 

[breno785au]

I should make a poll "Who reckons I should throw out my wedding ring now that I have been told it has pagan roots?"
...or maybe "Should I convince my wife to throw out our rings?" lol
Our rings are a symbol and public declaration of our love for each other until we die. God knows how many women ive warded off by wearing it doo doo tish!

 

[directline2iam]

It bothers me when Christians observe pagan originated festivals thinking they are legitimate and quit on biblical festivals thinking they are legalism. Birthday and candle on birthday cake are another pagan thing.
I like the way Isaac married Rebekah - he just pulled her into the tent, no ceremony, no priest, no wedding certificate and Yahweh the witness. However, most Christians I met consider this illegitimate. I just don't understand this because even the government considers it legal.

Once again it seems you do err...read Gen 24. The marriage between Isaac and Rebecca was done according to Law. Not wam bam thankyou in the tent mam...

 

[Isdaniel]

wow.isDaniel, its really not that complicated.
Really,its not.

DANIEL 5
29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.


I WONDER HOW BIG THAT CHAIN WAS THAT DANIEL WORE

 

[Isdaniel]

Old Testament People Wore Jewelry
Rebekah:
Gen 24:52-53 (NIV) "And it came to pass, that, when Abraham's servant heard their words, he worshipped the LORD, bowing himself to the earth. And the servant brought forth jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment, and gave them to Rebekah: he gave also to her brother and to her mother precious things."
Note: God did not forbid people to have jewels in the OT.

 

[Isdaniel]

I should make a poll "Who reckons I should throw out my wedding ring now that I have been told it has pagan roots?"
...or maybe "Should I convince my wife to throw out our rings?" lol
Our rings are a symbol and public declaration of our love for each other until we die. God knows how many women ive warded off by wearing it doo doo tish!

Israelite Maids and Brides

JERIMIAH 2
32 Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

 

[Isdaniel]

New Testament People Wore Jewelry
1 Tim 2:9,10 (NIV) "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes," "but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God."
Note: Paul in writing to Timothy was concerned about women who were wearing expensive clothes and jewelry in place of good deeds. Looking good in expensive clothes, braiding the hair and wearing gold does not take the place of good deeds of those who profess to be Christians. Paul was not condemning jewelry or expensive clothes as being sinful. In fact Timothy did not command women not to wear jewelry.

 

[marrion]

wow isdaniel for the umptieth time we are concerned with new testament commandments which clearly differ from what was allowed in the old testament.
You know what God bless you.
We obviously need to agree to disagree.
Im done.God bless.

 

[Isdaniel]

1 Pet 3:3-5 (NIV) "Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes." "Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight." "For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands,"
Note: Peter is saying the same as Paul; just wearing gold and expensive clothes does not take the place of a Christian woman's inner beauty. Peter does not condemn women that braid their hair, wearing gold jewelry and wearing fine clothes. Peter brings this as an example of OT women who were submissive to their husbands as having this inner beauty and these OT women wore jewelry and it was never called sinful for them to do so.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Good thing animal sacrifices didn't originate from pagan culture. Actually they took it from us!

 

[chubbena]

Once again it seems you do err...read Gen 24. The marriage between Isaac and Rebecca was done according to Law. Not wam bam thankyou in the tent mam...

Guess you totally missed my point - no ceremony, no priest, no wedding certificate and Yahweh the witness.
I don't blame you. Man (and for that matter, woman) wants security - false security - thinking a ceremony, a priest, a wedding certificate would help to strengthen a marriage.

 

[chubbena]

According to Pastor Chuck Smith the origin of giving a ring as a promise comes from the bible.

In the story of Judah and his daughter-in-law. Judah gives Tamar, who disguised herself as a temple prostitute accepted Judah's signet ring, cord and staff as a promise to be paid two goats for sex.

Wow that's interesting. Judah gave Tamar a ring as a pledge for the "service". So by giving a ring to your love one is essentially saying it's straightly business?

 

[ascension2020]

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That is option one.
Option two is that Peter is using fancy hair styles, gold jewelry, and fancy clothes as examples because they help him make his point. If option two is correct then we can glean these principles:

1. Peter is speaking specifically to wives—especially those who have unsaved husbands—but the principle can apply to us all.
2. His principle is that we should not focus on our outer appearance—on our lavish hairdos, fancy clothes, and expensive jewelry—but we should instead focus on cultivating “chaste and respectful behavior.”

I will let you decide which of those two options is correct. All that I will say is that one of them has to be correct. I want to stress again that it is illogical and absurd to read this passage and pull one word out—jewelry—and teach that it is wrong while maintaining that braided hair and dresses are alright.

Isdaniel,

Thanks for quoting from one of my articles here and in other comments that you made. It honors me that I wrote something that someone found worth repeating =P. The reason I created an account to reply is because you modified some of what I wrote. Again, I don't mind you sharing (I'm delighted that you did), but please leave the citation intact and don't pass it off as your own .

Here is what I actually wrote in my article. The article is tailored to a the Oneness Pentecostal movement that I was a part of when I was younger. That's why there are some direct references to the UPC. They are the largest Oneness Pentecostal organization.

Source - What does the Bible say about wearing jewelry? | whyileft.org

So What Does The Bible Say?

As I showed at the start of this article, the no jewelry (or limited jewelry) doctrine is defended by two Scripture passages: 1 Tim. 2:8-10 and 1 Pet. 3:1-5. Before we look at those passages, though, please allow me to make one brief point. If I thought that the Bible even hinted that jewelry is a sin then I would be one of the doctrine’s strongest defenders. When I was in the apostolic movement I never had any desire to wear jewelry; I never cared one way or the other. So please do not think that this article is about me wanting to wear jewelry, or me “rebelling,” or anything like that. Because it’s not.

With that said, let’s look at 1 Tim. 2:8-10 and 1 Pet. 3:1-5. Let’s do 1 Pet. 3:1-5 first.

1Pe 3:1-5 NASB

In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. Your adornment must not be merely external–braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands.

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Now, when presented with a passage such as this, we have two options. The first option is to assume that the author is presenting a principle, and that the examples that he uses to illustrate the principles are just that: examples. The second option is to assume that the author is laying down a set of rules, and that he expects people to take him literally. The one thing that is not an option is to take part of the passage literally and part of it figuratively—yet that is exactly what the UPC and other holiness organizations frequently do.

For example, if Peter expects us to take him literally then we need to do just that. If he is speaking literally, and he is laying down rules, then here is what we can glean:

1. Peter is speaking only to wives. The things that he is saying do not apply to single women.
2. Wives cannot braid their hair.
3. Wives cannot wear gold jewelry (other kinds are presumably allowed).
4. Wives must not wear dresses.

That is option one.

Option two is that Peter is using fancy hair styles, gold jewelry, and fancy clothes as examples because they help him make his point. If option two is correct then we can glean these principles:

1. Peter is speaking specifically to wives—especially those who have unsaved husbands—but the principle can apply to us all.
2. His principle is that we should not focus on our outer appearance—on our lavish hairdos, fancy clothes, and expensive jewelry—but we should instead focus on cultivating “chaste and respectful behavior.”

I will let you decide which of those two options is correct. All that I will say is that one of them has to be correct. I want to stress again that it is illogical and absurd to read this passage and pull one word out—jewelry—and teach that it is wrong while maintaining that braided hair and dresses are alright.

In Christ,
Josh