The overlooked ' Resurrection'

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oyster67

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Jesus was not raised from the dead because he is God, that he always is.

God raised him from the dead, as the divine receipt, that all our sins are forever put away.

That is what 1 Cor 15:17 is saying "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins".
Paul is telling Mr. G that Jesus is not dead. It becomes obvious when we realize the Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting.
 

throughfaith

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I think some of the oversight may come from ( if its not Calvinism) in the songs we sing and the phrases we say. " i was saved by the finished work of Christ " , ," nothing but the blood of Jesus " .." saved by the work on the cross " . This doesn't help bring high resolution to the components of salvation and how we are saved .
 
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I think some of the oversight may come from ( if its not Calvinism) in the songs we sing and the phrases we say. " i was saved by the finished work of Christ " , ," nothing but the blood of Jesus " .." saved by the work on the cross " . This doesn't help bring high resolution to the components of salvation and how we are saved .
And I thought Romans 10:9 was clear enough that believing in the resurrection, is the key for salvation for the Body of Christ.

Guess Oyster is sticking to his guns.
 

throughfaith

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And I thought Romans 10:9 was clear enough that believing in the resurrection, is the key for salvation for the Body of Christ.

Guess Oyster is sticking to his guns.
Gotta have that 'salvation being appropriated the same at all times ,the exact way ,the exact method in the same thing " to be 'orthodox.
 

throughfaith

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Do you really not know these things?

For example Romans 4:16, but it is neither an isolated verse nor an isolated saying.
you said ///
Then why is it said that the Christian must have the same faith as Abraham///
16¶Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

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ewq1938

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Christ was resurrected with a brand new body, never to die again.
Almost. It was his old body but was changed basically like how the bodies of the living saints will be changed. This is why his body still had the scars.
 
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Almost. It was his old body but was changed basically like how the bodies of the living saints will be changed. This is why his body still had the scars.
I believe the scars need not be there, but as prophesied in Zechariah 13:6, the Lord kept those scars to remind Israel, at his 2nd coming for them, that the scars were inflicted by them.

6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
 

ewq1938

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I believe the scars need not be there

They did have to be there because it was how he proved he was who he claimed to be to Thomas who said he wouldn't believe it unless he could touch those wounds.
 
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They did have to be there because it was how he proved he was who he claimed to be to Thomas who said he wouldn't believe it unless he could touch those wounds.
I mean, if Jesus were to appear to him, turn water into wine, raise someone from the dead etc etc, you are saying Thomas would still have stuck to his guns?

Anyway, this is a trivial issue to debate about.
 

ewq1938

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I mean, if Jesus were to appear to him, turn water into wine, raise someone from the dead etc etc, you are saying Thomas would still have stuck to his guns?
If they had guns then the Roman's might have been defeated but to answer your question, yes. In fact, all the disciples had doubts about the resurrection:

Mat 28:16 But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had given them orders to go.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him they gave him worship: but some were in doubt.

Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

Luk 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.