The Parable of the Ten Virgins Explained
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"...at home [G1736] with [H4314] the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8 (when any individual believer dies).
But that ^ does not explain the scene in Revelation 4:4 (and context), where:
--they are "having been clothed [perfect participle] with white raiment/garments" in the section of Rev covering the [future] "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1);
--and why they are wearing "stephanous / crowns" (which Paul said would be awarded "in THAT day" [and not to him only], per 2Tim4:8... not the day he would DIE
[see also 1Thess2:19 for its "timing" issue]);
--and why they are seated on "thrones" (in a certain "setting"/"scene");
--not to mention, why they are saying (in 5:9) "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY kindred/tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation"
But that ^ does not explain the scene in Revelation 4:4 (and context), where:
--they are "having been clothed [perfect participle] with white raiment/garments" in the section of Rev covering the [future] "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1);
--and why they are wearing "stephanous / crowns" (which Paul said would be awarded "in THAT day" [and not to him only], per 2Tim4:8... not the day he would DIE
[see also 1Thess2:19 for its "timing" issue]);--and why they are seated on "thrones" (in a certain "setting"/"scene");
--not to mention, why they are saying (in 5:9) "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY kindred/tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation"
"...at home [G1736] with [H4314] the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8
But that ^ does not explain the scene in Revelation 4:4, where:
--they are "having been clothed [perfect participle] with white raiment/garments" in the section of Rev covering the [future] "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1);
--and why they are wearing "stephanous / crowns" (which Paul said would be awarded "in THAT day" [and not to him only], per 2Tim4:8... not the day he would DIE [see also 1Thess2:19 for its "timing" issue]);
--and why they are seated on "thrones" (in a certain "setting"/"scene");
--not to mention, why they are saying (in 5:9) "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY kindred/tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation"
But that ^ does not explain the scene in Revelation 4:4, where:
--they are "having been clothed [perfect participle] with white raiment/garments" in the section of Rev covering the [future] "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period (per 1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1);
--and why they are wearing "stephanous / crowns" (which Paul said would be awarded "in THAT day" [and not to him only], per 2Tim4:8... not the day he would DIE
[see also 1Thess2:19 for its "timing" issue]);--and why they are seated on "thrones" (in a certain "setting"/"scene");
--not to mention, why they are saying (in 5:9) "hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY kindred/tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation"
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11Behold, I am coming quickly!
Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
Unplug your spiritual ears my friend - take out the 'pre-trib' ear plugs that satan hands out in the Laeodician churches.
Are you suggesting that EVERY TIME an individual believer dies and is "at home [G1736] with [G4314] the Lord" (2Cor5:8) in their spirits/souls (while their bodies remain in the grave), that this scene in Rev4-5 (court-room/throne-room setting) is in play??
Or are you completely misunderstanding the point I was endeavoring to get across?
"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to [certain to / sure to, mello] come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth."
Or are you completely misunderstanding the point I was endeavoring to get across?
"Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to [certain to / sure to, mello] come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth."
STRONGS NT 3933: παρθένος
παρθένος, παρθένου, ἡ,
1. a virgin: Matthew 1:23 (from Isaiah 7:14); Matthew 25:1,7,11; Luke 1:27; Acts 21:9; 1 Corinthians 7:25, 28, 33(1 Corinthians 7:34) (from Homer down; the Sept. chiefly for בְּתוּלָה, several times for נַעֲרָה; twice for עַלמָה i. e. either a marriageable maiden, or a young (married) woman, Genesis 24:43; Isaiah 7:14, on which (last) word cf., besides Gesenius, Thesaurus, p. 1037, Credner, Beiträge as above with ii., p. 197ff; παρθένος of a young bride, newly married woman, Homer, Iliad 2, 514); ἡ παρθένον τίνος, one's marriageable daughter, 1 Corinthians 7:36ff; παρθένον ἁγνή, a pure virgin, 2 Corinthians 11:2
παρθένος, παρθένου, ἡ,
1. a virgin: Matthew 1:23 (from Isaiah 7:14); Matthew 25:1,7,11; Luke 1:27; Acts 21:9; 1 Corinthians 7:25, 28, 33(1 Corinthians 7:34) (from Homer down; the Sept. chiefly for בְּתוּלָה, several times for נַעֲרָה; twice for עַלמָה i. e. either a marriageable maiden, or a young (married) woman, Genesis 24:43; Isaiah 7:14, on which (last) word cf., besides Gesenius, Thesaurus, p. 1037, Credner, Beiträge as above with ii., p. 197ff; παρθένος of a young bride, newly married woman, Homer, Iliad 2, 514); ἡ παρθένον τίνος, one's marriageable daughter, 1 Corinthians 7:36ff; παρθένον ἁγνή, a pure virgin, 2 Corinthians 11:2
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the devil knows the bible well. many theologeans know it better that both of us put together. Knowledge (truth) is not the game changer in the rapture. Your trying to connect "mental" into being worthy.
If it is truth that makes us worthy in the rapture, then Jesus would be saying "pray that you may be counted worthy via truth, to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God"
The wise took EXTRA truth, and filled their vessels with truth WHEN THE TRUTH THEY HAD RAN OUT?????? You lose truth?????
huh?
like i said ...test fit it.
"during the night, their truth ran out."?????? Their truth got lower and lower and ran out?????
Do You realize that you can't lose truth?
If it is truth that makes us worthy in the rapture, then Jesus would be saying "pray that you may be counted worthy via truth, to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of God"
The wise took EXTRA truth, and filled their vessels with truth WHEN THE TRUTH THEY HAD RAN OUT?????? You lose truth?????
huh?
like i said ...test fit it.
"during the night, their truth ran out."?????? Their truth got lower and lower and ran out?????
Do You realize that you can't lose truth?
Regarding the OP... here's what I put in a different thread, about the "OIL" and the "LAMPS LIT":
Post #217 (pg 11 of a different thread) - https://christianchat.com/threads/the-rapture-end-of-days.201854/post-4690770
[note for the readers: I do not believe the "TEN Virgins [plural]" or even the "FIVE Virgins [plural]" are who He is coming to "MARRY"... but that this pertains to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" (i.e. the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth)]
Post #217 (pg 11 of a different thread) - https://christianchat.com/threads/the-rapture-end-of-days.201854/post-4690770
[note for the readers: I do not believe the "TEN Virgins [plural]" or even the "FIVE Virgins [plural]" are who He is coming to "MARRY"... but that this pertains to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" (i.e. the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth)]
The LORD Jesus Christ did, in fact, say: Truth makes us Worthy of the Kingdom of God.
“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
^ way to avoid the question.
But, whatever, DavidTree. Believe as you wish.
But, whatever, DavidTree. Believe as you wish.
Why argue with this or seek to make a doctrine either for or against???
Motives dear friend = the Holy Spirit sees the motives of a mans heart.
The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings.
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Well, even Paul had said, "...there is laid up [present indicative]..." 2Tim4:8 - https://biblehub.com/text/2_timothy/4-8.htm
... that the Lord WILL award him ("in THAT day"... and not to him only)... future tense...
not that Paul was presently wearing it (or would upon his death, even. No.)
... that the Lord WILL award him ("in THAT day"... and not to him only)... future tense...
not that Paul was presently wearing it (or would upon his death, even. No.)
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We cannot lose the Holy Spirit either. God promised He will be with us forever. So the oil isn't Holy Spirit.
Luke 11:13
13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:16-17
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Now ask, what are things we can lose? Can we lose faith? Can we lose positional forgiveness in our relationship with God? (not that permanent forgiveness we get through Christ's blood sacrifice, by the forgiveness we need when we grieve the Holy Spirit through sinning). Can we lose truth by being deceived? Many things can fit. The irony is what seems to fit the least is the oil being Holy Spirit, yet it's a common interpretation.
Luke 11:13
13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:16-17
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Now ask, what are things we can lose? Can we lose faith? Can we lose positional forgiveness in our relationship with God? (not that permanent forgiveness we get through Christ's blood sacrifice, by the forgiveness we need when we grieve the Holy Spirit through sinning). Can we lose truth by being deceived? Many things can fit. The irony is what seems to fit the least is the oil being Holy Spirit, yet it's a common interpretation.
Please excuse my being late to this conversation
If the only difference is extra oil, why then does Jesus say He does not know them?
"Them" being the five foolish virgins
They are shut out of the wedding feast. That seems a pretty significant difference....
10 b Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, lord, open the door for us!’
12 But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’ From Matthew 25
Immediately following the parable of the ten virgins is the parable of the talents.
Jesus starts that parable by saying, "For it is just like a man going on a journey,"
Three servants were given his possessions to look after while their Master was away...
Two were rewarded for investing wisely, but to the third who had not, the Master said:
29 'For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. But the one who
does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30 And throw that worthless
servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
He calls the one who did not wisely invest "worthless." And casts them out...
If the only difference is extra oil, why then does Jesus say He does not know them?
"Them" being the five foolish virgins
They are shut out of the wedding feast. That seems a pretty significant difference....
10 b Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins arrived and said, ‘Lord, lord, open the door for us!’
12 But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I do not know you.’ From Matthew 25
Immediately following the parable of the ten virgins is the parable of the talents.
Jesus starts that parable by saying, "For it is just like a man going on a journey,"
Three servants were given his possessions to look after while their Master was away...
Two were rewarded for investing wisely, but to the third who had not, the Master said:
29 'For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. But the one who
does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30 And throw that worthless
servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
He calls the one who did not wisely invest "worthless." And casts them out...
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