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Jesus4ever

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Hi, dear brethren!

I´ve been wondering about a particular issue. To be honest, I don´t know how to act properly about it.

Jesus tell us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Basically to help to those in need. In my heart I desire to help those who need help, who starve, who had problems to buy medication, to feed their children, etc. Until recently, I always gave part of my salary to institutions. Every time someone comes to me and asks for money, I always ask if they are hungry or want me to buy food for them, but, I do not simply give my money.

Now, here´s the point: The Bible also says that "The one who is unwilling to work shall no eat".

This is my problem: I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.

I struggle to find a balance about what´s the best way to act about this matter.


What´s your opinion, brothers and sisters?


May the Lord bless you!
 

levi85

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Bible says if it is in our hand to do good, we should do.
 

Joidevivre

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I would just pray first and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. We cannot judge the motives of the person asking for help, and to do so would only bring more confusion.

Pray for direction and wisdom. Sometimes you will feel a definite "not now". I have found that I recognize the leading of the Spirit when a strong compassion comes for the person who needs help. There is a strong urging inside me to help them.
 
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I would just pray first and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. We cannot judge the motives of the person asking for help, and to do so would only bring more confusion.

Pray for direction and wisdom. Sometimes you will feel a definite "not now". I have found that I recognize the leading of the Spirit when a strong compassion comes for the person who needs help. There is a strong urging inside me to help them.
I totally agree.

My departed mother-in-law was such a person. She would pray about such things, & other times she "just knew" who to give to.

Discernment & wisdom is mandatory in a giving ministry. If God has a problem with sluggards & deadbeats, so should we.:)
 

Yonah

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I council you to look at the context of that text you partially quoted, (2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.)this is addressing an assembly of believers not the public in general, now I do agree that we should never be a part of anyone doing , or not doing what is right.

For me I simply pray and ask for guidance, we have the promise if we ask we will receive, claim this promise and ask, He knows the circumstances of each one in need and will surely guide us.
 

Marcelo

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Hi, dear brethren!

I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.

I struggle to find a balance about what´s the best way to act about this matter.
No doubt we must pray for guidance and then help the poor, but the big question is: to what extent should we help them?

If I give away all my money I will myself become a beggar, so there must be a balance. A friend of mine, long ago, attempted to follow the Bible to the letter and soon his whole family began to starve.

The deacon in my church and his assistants don't help lazy bums -- they carefully examine each case before releasing any money.
 
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joefizz

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it is to be that we help people "when" we can financially,and if they are in "need" of our help,because many lie and just say they need "help" concerning food or money yet they make plenty or they just don't want to get a job,just let God guide your actions.
 

Nehemiah6

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This is my problem: I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.
What you can do to overcome this dilemma is (1) politely offer the able-bodied loafers you see assistance to find them a job and (2) support extremely needy and poor Christians in other countries who cannot even find a job. There is usually no social network in those places, and there are plenty of widows and orphans who need help.
 
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How do you get 100 free loaders into church?

Have a free food giveaway...


How do you get 100 free loaders out of the church?

make them take a how to find a job discipleship class before getting the free food..
 

trofimus

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This is my problem: I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.

I struggle to find a balance about what´s the best way to act about this matter.
Do not help such people.

"If anyone does not want to work, let him not eat."
2Thes 3:10
 

Nehemiah6

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That's written to professing believers, not the world at large.
But this is written to all mankind.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground...(Gen 3:19; Rom 5:12).

 
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pottersclay

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If I have it I give it. It's the Lord's anyways. He has taken care of me for so long now I give it little thought. You might think I'm a easy target but to be truthful the Lord has shown me that he is in control and with that he sees that the recipient uses it wisely.
 

DJ2

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That's written to professing believers, not the world at large.
"not the world at large"

Are you implying that Christians should help feed those of the "world at large" who do not want to work?

Your words certainly seem to suggest that.
 

FlSnookman7

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Some people may not be able to work due to mental issues. Also, once homeless it is very hard to find/keep a job. Most americans are 2 paychecks away from being homeless. I give whenever I can. I also believe no one anywhere but especially in america should go hungry ever. There is enough food for all. Many churches help by running food banks and many places have homeless assistance centers but the need is far greater than the available services. So many homeless veterans and that imho should NEVER happen. I do not believe government alone can solve the problem but if we as Christians made it a point to help it would go a long way. Luckily many Christians do help.

If you have the time volunteer at your churches food bank or at a shelter. There is imho no better opportunity to reflect the love Jesus shows us than by helping those most in need.
 

Billyd

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We have a ministry center that serves those in need of food, shelter, clothing and/or work. Anyone in need will find help, and will hear the Gospel. Twenty churches in the surrounding communities pool resources to keep it in operation. The center also operates a thrift shop for those who just need a little hand up.
 
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Hi, dear brethren!

I´ve been wondering about a particular issue. To be honest, I don´t know how to act properly about it.

Jesus tell us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Basically to help to those in need. In my heart I desire to help those who need help, who starve, who had problems to buy medication, to feed their children, etc. Until recently, I always gave part of my salary to institutions. Every time someone comes to me and asks for money, I always ask if they are hungry or want me to buy food for them, but, I do not simply give my money.

Now, here´s the point: The Bible also says that "The one who is unwilling to work shall no eat".

This is my problem: I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.

I struggle to find a balance about what´s the best way to act about this matter.


What´s your opinion, brothers and sisters?


May the Lord bless you!
I think the part of anyone being unwilling to work, shall not eat, is referring to people living in the same household, because then, you know the reason why they are not working when you know they are just being a bum or lazy, having the good life at the expense of others.

But those unwilling to work that you find on the streets? Not exactly living the good life at the expense of others. Since we do have many people with mental illness, or have a physical or health condition that the person is unwilling to work with having what they have to live with.

It could very well be a bad first hand work experience that shatters the person's self worth that they do not care to venture into the work place just to have that condemnation again. Or it could be the fault of a bullying boss that offends the person so much that they are unwilling to work for any body else now.... to never trust any one again as their boss.

It can very well be that there is no job he could get. How can anyone get a job when filling out an application that they are homeless and living in the streets? Some jobs require having transportation to get to work and not just an address and a telephone number to reach the homeless person by. See the problem there?

Once someone is on the streets, his or her prospect for getting a job is dimmer and thus crushing enough for any one not to want to get a job when they know full well that they simply can't from where they are at now.

Some are confessed alcoholics or drug addicts that know they are not ready nor willing to get a job when they are in bondage.

So my sharing here is to not let that verse about he who does not work, shall not eat, be applied to the homeless. It can never be applied to the poor that are homeless.

Let's look at the actual reference in context;

2 Thessalonians 3:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

I believe Paul was referring to visiting missionaries as he was, instructing that they do chores while they stay at someone's house and do their share while eating what was provided by that household. Apparently, some visiting missionaries were being busybodies while staying at someone's house, and hardly working at all.

So I believe Paul was referring to the example set by himself in how a visiting missionary should be doing.

Anyway, unless you have another reference, I believe that is how you are to apply that verse and not to the poor.
 
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Proverbs 22:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]For the Lord will plead their cause, and spoil the soul of those that spoiled them.
 
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Hi, dear brethren!

I´ve been wondering about a particular issue. To be honest, I don´t know how to act properly about it.

Jesus tell us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. Basically to help to those in need. In my heart I desire to help those who need help, who starve, who had problems to buy medication, to feed their children, etc. Until recently, I always gave part of my salary to institutions. Every time someone comes to me and asks for money, I always ask if they are hungry or want me to buy food for them, but, I do not simply give my money.

Now, here´s the point: The Bible also says that "The one who is unwilling to work shall no eat".

This is my problem: I really want to help those in need, but that are many beggars that simply do not want to work. Still, they hunger because of that.

I struggle to find a balance about what´s the best way to act about this matter.


What´s your opinion, brothers and sisters?


May the Lord bless you!
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