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=Jon4"]Jon4[/URL]"]Jon4[/URL]"]Jon4[/URL]TheCross;2320365]Yes...you are correct...but one thing Jesus did that we are not doing well is speaking to the world in parables. By the definition of a game...the words typed out are a game....but not at the same time.

Thanks for the word of encouragement.
I hate to pop Jon's Parable bubble but Jesus began speaking to the Jewish community in parables to hide the meaning from his rejecters. To his disciples and earlier in His ministry He spoke plainly.
We don't speak to the world while evangelizing in parables...that's asinine.
 
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Jon4TheCross

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Trading one form of legalism for another form of legalism? I'm not playing.
What do you think playing football or cooking food that tastes good to you is? It is obeying rules either way. You are simply making excuses and using the popular legalism card to support your lack of interest in rules God taught us which if obeyed do yeild love. This game encourages trusting God given promises and teachings of the gospel by following the Lord and His number one rule...to Hear, O Isreael....and also trusts in another "rule" Jesus taught us (that's 2 already). The rule I refer to is when Jesus told us that there is one needful thing (Luke 10:38-42).

If you don't like good rules/commandments/promises....you are simply lying to yourself.

Go ahead...try to cook without rules and see how many eat your food.

Thanks for the input.
 

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I hate to pop Jon's Parable bubble but Jesus began speaking to the Jewish community in parables to hide the meaning from his rejecters. To his disciples and earlier in His ministry He spoke plainly.
We don't speak to the world while evangelizing in parables...that's asinine.

I would love to pop your bubble of misunderstanding. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus speaks in parables still, and one of the main reasons is that a parable is not only fun for disciples (like a puzzle to figure out by the help of God), but a parable can speak both according to the flesh and the spirit both at the same time. That is why Jesus uses parablrs and will continue to use parables when speaking to large gatherings of people which are not all united in the work of the high priesthood and faith in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Of course...when healing power is available to all that come to Jesus...many who want physical healing do not always want to follow Jesus...so...crowds with many people not interested in anything but healing according to the flesh are common when Jesus is actually present to heal in a united group that is worth testifying to with the ability to heal all...not just some who go to Jesus for healing. Most do not really believe they are going to Jesus for healing...and most are right from the perspective of the flesh...which is the perspective of the world.
 

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Matthew chapter 13
[34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.


13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

[16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

[17] For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
 

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Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Yes...we do speak to the world in parables...but that depends on how you interperet we.

As for rules? We obey rules every day. So remember...
 

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Hebrews 12:11-13King James Version (KJV)

11*Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

12*Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13*And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.


1 Corinthians 12:21-23King James Version (KJV)

21*And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22*Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23*And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
 

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After Yeshua/Jesus was baptized and then fasted in the wilderness... He spent/used/bought with all of His time...hearing or watching The Word of God (His name is called The Word of God). He spent much of His time walking, praying, preaching, teaching, fasting, healing, delivering, etc.

Jesus walked much for a reason, and I do believe this game is a good tool to prove that Christians can walk together in love and power...no matter what denomination is sponsoring the traveler.
 

Jon4TheCross

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After Yeshua/Jesus was baptized and then fasted in the wilderness... He spent/used/bought with all of His time...hearing or watching The Word of God (His name is called The Word of God). He spent much of His time walking, praying, preaching, teaching, fasting, healing, delivering, etc.

Jesus walked much for a reason, and I do believe this game is a good tool to prove that Christians can walk together in love and power...no matter what denomination is sponsoring the traveler.
 

Jon4TheCross

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2 Corinthians 6:16-18King James Version (KJV)

16*And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17*Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18*And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


This game makes it real easy to be separate also...without going to the woods or something similar.

Do you think the world would call you separate if you didn't use any language but body language?

I bet most would look very similar to the world...except maybe on church days...hopefully I would lose that bet.
 

Jon4TheCross

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"Seen And Not Heard"

Too many black sheep in the family
Too many stones from a house of glass
They've heard the stories, they've heard the lines
But talk is to cheap to change their minds
They want to see some vital signs

Convictions- in the way we live
Convictions- not a narrative
Actions speak a little louder than words

[CHORUS]
Seen and not heard, seen and not heard
Sometimes God's children should be seen and
not heard
There's too much talk and not enough walk
Sometimes God's children should be seen and
not heard

Delayed reaction to hostilities
Brings us into reality
Cause when we answer in our defense
They can see through the false pretense
They want to see some evidence

Commitment- no more alibis
Commitment- not a compromise
Actions speak a little louder than words

[CHORUS]

Let your light so shine in all you do
With an answer near when they come to you
Don't let your mouth start talkin'
Until your feet start walkin'

[CHORUS]

Petra did a song a while back...I hope you like the lyrics.
 

Jon4TheCross

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1 John 2:5-7King James Version (KJV)

5*But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6*He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

7*Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Ok...I will stop reminding y'all on this site for a while.
 
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To what point do we imitate Christ? Did all the disciples dress the same as Christ. Same haircut. "Walk this way"?

Imitating Christ is a matter of the heart and spirit. Not the physical or anything worldly.

7*Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.... This was to the Jews. Gentiles didn't hear the word.


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Us Gentiles were unclean dirt bags. We were not allowed in the temple to hear the word.

Kefa
 

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Speaking of gentiles I am drawing a picture of jesus on the cross and on the right hand it says Jews the left gentiles the top heaven and the bottom earth and Jesus completes and brings together all of them.
 

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To what point do we imitate Christ? Did all the disciples dress the same as Christ. Same haircut. "Walk this way"?

Imitating Christ is a matter of the heart and spirit. Not the physical or anything worldly.

7*Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.... This was to the Jews. Gentiles didn't hear the word.


Kefa
Not the physical? Are you saying body language is not a witness? I agree that appearance concerning the way we dress means little nowadays...but even still...I do not want to offend in any way if I do not have to.

Seriously though...not the physical?
 

Jon4TheCross

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1 Corinthians 6:15
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

That is quite physical.
 

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Heb 11:32
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

Heb 11:33
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Heb 11:34
Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Heb 11:35
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

Heb 11:36
And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

Heb 11:37
They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

Heb 11:38
(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

Heb 11:39
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

Heb 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the right hand of the Father. There is no other way to the Father but through the right hand/earthen vessel of God. The left represents spirit. In Christ/the earthen vessel of God...there is neither jew, nor greek, nor bond, nor free, nor male or female...in Christ we are one family of spirts using our physical bodies to glorify God.

That passage sounds quite physical...
 

Jon4TheCross

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Seriously... how about one traveler per denomination. That should get things Stuarted...or are we as "one body" powerless to do even that. There is power in walking. How many have lived homeless like our Lord on this earth...cause heaven is our home...remember? This game makes it easy for those with fears to take baby steps in trusting God with all....
 

Jon4TheCross

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Mat 8:16

When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Mat 8:18

Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

Mat 8:19
And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.

Mat 8:20
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Mat 8:21
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Mat 8:22
But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

That passage is quite physical as well. We really need our actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words to be The Word of God. He showed us how to physically do what is good and perfect....to live in Him.
 

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Luk 14:18
And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

Luk 14:19
And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

Luk 14:20
And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

Luk 14:21
So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

Luk 14:22
And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

Luk 14:23
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

Luk 14:24
For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

Luk 14:25

And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

Luk 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:28
For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Luk 14:29
Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

Luk 14:30
Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

Luk 14:31
Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

Luk 14:32
Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

Luk 14:33
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:34

Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

Luk 14:35
It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


I am just in saying that it appears that many have not counted the cost. This game helps with that as well.