THE PROBLEM IS YOU DONT BELIEVE

NoNameMcgee · Sep 5, 2018

i disagree

if you would like to have a discussion about this feel free to PM me

God bless you

KJV1611 · Sep 5, 2018

I think the verses speak for themselves.:

"just will live by faith."

without faith it is impossible to please Him

if you do not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”

He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him."

This passage sums it up to me:

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

This is talkingabout Abraham, how he had faith anf was to offer his son on the altar

This is the James passage for context and below it I will post relevant verses concening Abraham's faith and works " the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected"

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

Genesis 15:4-6, "And see, the word of יהוה came to him, saying, “This one is not your heir, but he who comes from your own body is your heir. And He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward the heavens, and count the stars if you are able to count them.” And He said to him, “So are your seed. And he believed in יהוה, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness."

Works:

Genesis 26:4-5, “And I shall increase your seed like the stars of the heavens, and I shall give all these lands to your seed. And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because Aḇraham obeyed My voice and guarded My Charge: My commands, My laws, and My Torah.”

Belief + Works:

James 2:21-22, “Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?”

Belief + Works:
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

“By belief, Aḇraham obeyed”

Hebrews 11
8, “By belief, Aḇraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he was about to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.

9, By belief, he sojourned in the land of promise as a stranger, dwelling in tents with Yitsḥaq and Ya‛aqoḇ, the heirs with him of the same promise,"

10, "for he was looking for the city having foundations, whose builder and maker is Yah.

17, By belief, Aḇraham, when he was tried, offered up Yitsḥaq, and he who had received the promises offered up his only brought-forth son.”

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

Hebrews 11:8, "By belief, Aḇraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he was about to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going."11:9, "By belief, he sojourned in the land of promise as a stranger, dwelling in tents with Yitsḥaq and Ya‛aqoḇ, the heirs with him of the same promise,"11:10, "for he was looking for the city having foundations, whose builder and maker is Yah."11:11, "By belief also, Sarah herself was enabled to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the normal age, because she deemed Him trustworthy who had promised."11:12, "And so from one, and him as good as dead, were born as numerous as the stars of the heaven, as countless as the sand which is by the seashore. "11:13, "In belief all these died, not having received the promises, but seeing them from a distance, welcomed and embraced them, and confessed that they were aliens and strangers on the earth. 11:14, "For those who speak this way make it clear that they seek a fatherland."11:15, "And yet, if they had indeed kept remembering that place from which they had come out, they would have had the chance to return."11:16, "But now they long for a better place, that is, a heavenly. Therefore Yah is not ashamed to be called their Strength, for He has prepared a city for them."11:17, "By belief, Aḇraham, when he was tried, offered up Yitsḥaq, and he who had received the promises offered up his only brought-forth son,"11:18, "of whom it was said, “In Yitsḥaq your seed shall be called, 11:19, "reckoning that Yah was able to raise, even from the dead, from which he received him back, as a type."

I still don't understand your point, this thread is about salvation through grace and how some don't believe that. Do you believe in salvation through grace alone or no?

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

See but this is the reason I say what I do, how is it, that this is the perception of anyone who promotes obedience? Can you uote a single time I have even hinted at any of the doctrines you hang on my head?

I post verses about obedience and this is the reaction...

Fact is unmerited mercy (grace) is just that, and does not mean or promote sin or Lawlessness. Just the oppisite to me it makes me want to humble myself before Him and do His will...

However as soon as one uses grace as a reason that they have no need or desire to follow Him, it is being used as "a cloak for evil" and "licentiousness"

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

Jude 1:4-18, “For certain men have slipped in, whose judgment was written about long ago, wicked ones perverting the unmerited mercy of our Mighty One for immoral behavior,.."

This does not mean the preaching of grace/unmerited mercy is "a cloak for evil" or "licentiousness" but as soon as it is used as the reason for rejection of His path one is doing exactly what Peter and Jude warn of. Now I am not saying you are doing this, but I am saying if it;s used in this manner it is licentiousness...

NoNameMcgee said:

Certianly YHWH saves it is not of our own power however when you say no repentance, that is in direct conflict of the word and this does sond like licentiousness now...

SO there is no need to repent?

WHy is this written:

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Bottom line for me is this:

TheMEssiah is the one we must shamah (hear and obey)

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

I will trust in His words. ALl of them, not just belief verses and not just obedience verses... All of His words...

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

KJV1611 said:

I believe salvaion if of YHWH, and can not be obtained by works, but only by His unmerite mercy. However this is not instruction to live a life of sin or reject His ways...

Also that is not actually the topis, the topic is:

THE PROBLEM IS YOU DONT BELIEVE

Im my view and I can and have shown in Scripture the people of Yah obey Him BY BELIEF (Heb 11) that any belief/faith that is authentic will do His way, belief/faith that is not authentic will not do His way.

So in a topic of "you don't believe" I think this very relevant.

James 2:19-20, “You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead?”

NoNameMcgee · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

See but this is the reason I say what I do, how is it, that this is the perception of anyone who promotes obedience? Can you uote a single time I have even hinted at any of the doctrines you hang on my head?

I post verses about obedience and this is the reaction...

Fact is unmerited mercy (grace) is just that, and does not mean or promote sin or Lawlessness. Just the oppisite to me it makes me want to humble myself before Him and do His will...

However as soon as one uses grace as a reason that they have no need or desire to follow Him, it is being used as "a cloak for evil" and "licentiousness"

1 Peter 2:16, “as free, yet not using your freedom as a cloak for evil, but as servants of the Mighty One.”

Jude 1:4-18, “For certain men have slipped in, whose judgment was written about long ago, wicked ones perverting the unmerited mercy of our Mighty One for immoral behavior,.."

This does not mean the preaching of grace/unmerited mercy is "a cloak for evil" or "licentiousness" but as soon as it is used as the reason for rejection of His path one is doing exactly what Peter and Jude warn of. Now I am not saying you are doing this, but I am saying if it;s used in this manner it is licentiousness...

Certianly YHWH saves it is not of our own power however when you say no repentance, that is in direct conflict of the word and this does sond like licentiousness now...

SO there is no need to repent?

WHy is this written:

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Bottom line for me is this:

TheMEssiah is the one we must shamah (hear and obey)

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

I will trust in His words. ALl of them, not just belief verses and not just obedience verses... All of His words...

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

well you started this off with a misconception

i never hung any of those on your head

that post had everything to do with common arguments i hear from works salvation and the error of their arguments

again
you ignore the new heart given to His children in your bit about "license to sin"

i say i wish you come to the truth in hopes you are delivered from the false beliefs ive seen from you already (which is a separate post)

all ive seen here is a bunch of misconceptions from you.... again

followed by misc. verses that have nothing to do with the point at hand

God never casting out His own <- born again believers

who are saved as a gift

by grace through faith <- not of works

Lillywolf · Sep 5, 2018

Relax and let self be led by that which is the greater power within you.

KJV1611 · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

I believe salvaion if of YHWH, and can not be obtained by works, but only by His unmerite mercy. However this is not instruction to live a life of sin or reject His ways...

Also that is not actually the topis, the topic is:

THE PROBLEM IS YOU DONT BELIEVE

Im my view and I can and have shown in Scripture the people of Yah obey Him BY BELIEF (Heb 11) that any belief/faith that is authentic will do His way, belief/faith that is not authentic will not do His way.

So in a topic of "you don't believe" I think this very relevant.

James 2:19-20, “You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead?”

Works is the way faith is justified - Good works = true faith.

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

JustFaith said:

Luke 8:4-15, “4 And when a large crowd had gathered, and those who were coming to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable:"5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some indeed fell by the wayside. And it was trodden down, and the birds of the heaven devoured it."6 “And other fell on rock, and when it grew up, it withered because it had no moisture."7 “And other fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up with it and choked it."8 “And other fell on the good soil, and grew up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” Having said this He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”"9 And His taught ones were asking Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”"10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the reign of the Mighty One, but to the rest in parables, that ‘Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not understand.’ Isa 6:9."11 “And this is the parable: The seed is the word of the Mighty One. 12 “And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved. (not saved)"13 “And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away. (not saved)"14 “And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection. (not saved)"15 “And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance. (saved)”

Luke 8:12 “And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved.”

Luke 8:13 “And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away.”

Did not endure.

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

Hebrews 10:6-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised. 37 For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”

Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

James 1:12, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him.”

Luke 8: 14 “And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection.”

Mat 7:19-20, “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruits you shall know them.”

1 John 2:15-17, “Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of YHWH abides forever.”

Luke 8:15 “And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance.” (saved)

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

KJV1611 said:

I wouldnt personally word it like that, because I dont think its a justification principle. I think true faith does His will, empty faith does not...

If one really believes there is an Almighty Creator and He loves us an dguides us and wantes us to be with His eternally I think they would live a life based on Him and His ways, not prefect but it would be evident in their lifestyle. And Scripture backs this up James 2 and Heb 11... Among other places

KJV1611 · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

James 2 is talking about exactly what i said, a persons faith is justified by his works, thats the whole point of James 2 wouldnt you agree?

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Yes and you addressed them to me without directly speaking on what I had said, you just spoke about general "works salvations" doctrines...

NoNameMcgee said:

My bit?
Jude 1:4-18, “For certain men have slipped in, whose judgment was written about long ago, wicked ones perverting the unmerited mercy of our Mighty One for immoral behavior,

Also the new heart?

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

Im the one with misconceptions, but you talk about the new heart and deny the new hearts desire to walk in His Law do you not? You have called me a legalist a number of times for prooting His Law have you not?

NoNameMcgee said:

I know any verse that does not fit you doctrine is "out of context!!!!" Yet many verses talk about being obedient and those who are His are obedient...

Like this, the first verses is loved the next 2 are hated:

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

As I have said over and over none can earn salvation, as soon as onw sins a sin worthy odf death they need the unmerite mercy of Yah... This dose not teach a ignoring of obedience to Him... If one uses it to teach that they are perverting His mercy.

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

KJV1611 said:

No I would not agree. I see him saying ."faith" that does not follow Him is empty and can not save, faith that follws Yah is faith that is true. As James says "22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

True faith does the will of the Messiah...

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

NoNameMcgee · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

wrong

you were not even on mind when i posted the first post

then i saw you post in between the time i started and finished my first post <- nothing to do with you despite your false accusations

then i made a second post <- directly about you

if you want me to spend so much time responding to your random statements, and false understanding imputed to scripture

we will have to clear the misconceptions you make at the start of your posts first

we have danced this dance before
shamah

its getting old

KJV1611 · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

No I would not agree. I see him saying ."faith" that does not follow Him is empty and can not save, faith that follws Yah is faith that is true. As James says "22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

True faith does the will of the Messiah...

James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”

I agree with that "faith that does not follow Him is empty and can not save" because it's not true faith, it's head knowledge, and that's why I say James is speaking of justifying faith and not the person by works.

Anything else would contradict this.
Romans 3:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

King James Version (KJV)

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

KJV1611 said:

Ok I did get that from you last post. Yes James IMO speaks of true faith..

Also about what Paul said in Rom 3:

We are not justified by works of the Law however:

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!”

We are also not abolishing YHWH;s Law due to His mercy upon us. This is what I say over and over.

KJV1611 · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

Well then your right lol. The law is summed up in love your neighbor, that's what it's all about. Not obeying rules and working this or that, just love one another and we fulfil the law.

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

KJV1611 said:

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The Law explains how to do this.

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

If the Law is written in the heart one will seek to walk in it;s intentions and feel remorse when they go astray.

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Now I am sure we can go ask 1,000,000,000 people "what is love" and get a different answer every time, but I say if we ask YHWH "what is love" a 1,000,000,000 times, we will get the same answer every time....

garee · Sep 5, 2018

BenFTW said:

The faith to believe God not seen is a work of God's faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure .(imputed righteousness) this new faith is not of us least any man boast in self pride

We cannot belive God unless he works in us giving us His understanding.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:9

Its the gospel of grace through Christ's labor of love called a work of His faith . Our faithful Creator .

Many people as a oral tradition of men seen simply deny Christ has faith or needs it in order to work out His good purposes. In doing so they make the words of God's faith without effect. to effect something is to work it out.

Faith must be defined to its owner or author. To attribute the work of faith to man us is like plagiarism or blasphemy. It is why in order to make God nor seen the true one we must make every man seen a lair.

Natural man without the Spirit of Christ is considered as having no faith. Not little but none

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief (no faith) "make the faith of God without effect"? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3:3-4

JustFaith · Sep 5, 2018

Shamah said:

Luke 8:4-15, “4 And when a large crowd had gathered, and those who were coming to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable:"5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some indeed fell by the wayside. And it was trodden down, and the birds of the heaven devoured it."6 “And other fell on rock, and when it grew up, it withered because it had no moisture."7 “And other fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up with it and choked it."8 “And other fell on the good soil, and grew up, and yielded a crop a hundredfold.” Having said this He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”"9 And His taught ones were asking Him, saying, “What does this parable mean?”"10 And He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the reign of the Mighty One, but to the rest in parables, that ‘Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not understand.’ Isa 6:9."11 “And this is the parable: The seed is the word of the Mighty One. 12 “And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved. (not saved)"13 “And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away. (not saved)"14 “And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection. (not saved)"15 “And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance. (saved)”

Luke 8:12 “And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved.”

Luke 8:13 “And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away.”

Did not endure.

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

Hebrews 10:6-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised. 37 For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”

Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

James 1:12, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him.”

Luke 8: 14 “And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection.”

Mat 7:19-20, “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruits you shall know them.”

1 John 2:15-17, “Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of YHWH abides forever.”

Luke 8:15 “And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance.” (saved)

Dude you cant interpret the Bible without the Spirit. the 1st didn't receive the word. (and the word WAS God-(Genesis) but the rest received the WORD only the 4th brought fruit. When we believe not he is faithful for he cannot deny himself. You are very carnal

Shamah · Sep 5, 2018

JustFaith said:

I am very carnal.. lol, you are very judgmental.

Also the parable is not about interpreting the word it's about it the word dwells in someone to produce fruit/walk His path...

THE PROBLEM IS YOU DONT BELIEVE

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