The Problem of evil

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Bbrdrd

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Dave-L said:
Isn't death part of sin?
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Yes, but if you are in Him you know Him as a new creature apart from sin. The problem is you're failing to recognize that sin isn't merely disobedience, it is hatred of God. Those who believe the gospel let go of that hatred and are set free.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
Yes, but if you are in Him you know Him as a new creature apart from sin. The problem is you're failing to recognize that sin isn't merely disobedience, it is hatred of God. Those who believe the gospel let go of that hatred and are set free.
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But sin revealed God to you up to a point? No?
 
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pottersclay

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Dave-L said:
Sin glorifies God when he punishes it.
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God said he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
Are you for real with these lies people?
Jesus said no one but the father is good.....who are we to judge what is good and what is not? Truth is we can't and the reason why is we do not know the end from the beginning in matters. We do not know the heart of man.
Clearly scripture teaches us that we need a new heart ours is corrupt and wicked it's not to be trusted.
The works of God are eternal not finite.
Good as we know it is topical to say the least.
When God looked upon his creation and saw it was very good he rested. Rested from what all that he created ....points to Jesus.
So from the first star in the heavens to the birth of Christ God saw all that he created and rested in the assurance that what ever and whom ever was corrupted by sin could be salvaged and restored. And that man could be reborn.
Don't consider acts of kindness and good behavior as good. IMO it's much deeper than that.
 
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pottersclay said:
God said he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
Are you for real with these lies people?
Jesus said no one but the father is good.....who are we to judge what is good and what is not? Truth is we can't and the reason why is we do not know the end from the beginning in matters. We do not know the heart of man.
Clearly scripture teaches us that we need a new heart ours is corrupt and wicked it's not to be trusted.
The works of God are eternal not finite.
Good as we know it is topical to say the least.
When God looked upon his creation and saw it was very good he rested. Rested from what all that he created ....points to Jesus.
So from the first star in the heavens to the birth of Christ God saw all that he created and rested in the assurance that what ever and whom ever was corrupted by sin could be salvaged and restored. And that man could be reborn.
Don't consider acts of kindness and good behavior as good. IMO it's much deeper than that.
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Who would? Yikes....! But he is glorified in punishing the wicked.
 
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biker

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Dave-L said:
You need to look deeper into free will and how God controls all free choices through the reasons people base their choices on.
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I will take that advice and research it more. Thank You!
 
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pottersclay

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Dave-L said:
But without sin, you have no need of God?
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So we could manage by ourselves?
David this road your walking down is very dangerous.
 
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pottersclay said:
So we could manage by ourselves?
David this road your walking down is very dangerous.
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You need to go through the OT a few more times where his sovereignty over the wicked is very clear.
 
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Grandpa

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Dave-L said:
"How can the existence of God be harmonized with the existence of evil?" If God is all-good, He would want to destroy evil. If God is all-powerful, He is able to destroy evil. But evil still exists. It seems that God cannot be both all-good and all-powerful. However, Christianity teaches that He is both. This is the problem of evil."
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Mercy. God is Merciful.

That is how both exist.

Jonah 4:2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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Dave-L said:
Clark explained that "God is above law" because "the laws that God imposes on men do not apply to the divine nature."
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What about the angels?

They have a divine nature? Do they not?

And yet the angels that sinned were cast down to hell delivered into chains of darkness reserved unto judgment (1 Peter 2:4).
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
What about the angels?

They have a divine nature? Do they not?

And yet the angels that sinned were cast down to hell delivered into chains of darkness reserved unto judgment (1 Peter 2:4).
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How does that glorify God?
 
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pottersclay

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Dave-L said:
You need to go through the OT a few more times where his sovereignty over the wicked is very clear.
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I think your right and will do......you do the same😉
 
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pottersclay

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Dave what is glorifying God in you opinion?
 
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Bbrdrd

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Dave-L said:
How does that glorify God?
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God needs creatures to have glory? He's dependent on creatures in some way? No, God's glory is independent of us and His relationship with us through mercy and judgment and the like merely demonstrate that glory.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
God needs creatures to have glory? He's dependent on creatures in some way? No, God's glory is independent of us and His relationship with us through mercy and judgment and the like merely demonstrate that glory.
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If he has creatures, they need to see his glory.
 
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