The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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&, what's the sense in being saved if you believe you can lose your salvation? do you get saved the 2nd time, 3rd time or the 589th time? too, why would God create & teach salvation without abounding to us a way to know for sure that you have eternal salvation? so sad that some people believe you can lose salvation, doesn't make any sense at all
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I have a question. Why did Jesus say they are condemned ALREADY? That doesn’t give much wiggle room for any of the people that don’t presently believe to charge their beliefs.
The ONLY rational explanation I came up with is that he is speaking as God, and he knows who will believe, and who won’t because he knows the names in the book of life. Does anyone have any insight on this? Please explain it to me. Thanks
I have a question. Why did Jesus say they are condemned ALREADY? That doesn’t give much wiggle room for any of the people that don’t presently believe to charge their beliefs.
The ONLY rational explanation I came up with is that he is speaking as God, and he knows who will believe, and who won’t because he knows the names in the book of life. Does anyone have any insight on this? Please explain it to me. Thanks
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"You're right, he hasn't changed... and that's precisely my concern. He believes he's saved due to the OSAS doctrine, but I'm not here to debate that doctrine. As someone who doesn't subscribe to OSAS, I've had my share of heated discussions on the topic. My focus, however, is on the disconnect between his professed salvation and his unchanged life.
The Bible clearly outlines the expectations for Christian living. Whether one believes in OSAS or not, the outcome is the same: a genuine Christian will demonstrate a changed heart, reflected in their actions. If someone claims to be saved yet continues in sin, regardless of their stance on OSAS, they need to truly repent and commit to following Christ.
Ultimately, it's not about the doctrine; it's about the transformative power of faith. A heart changed by God's grace will inevitably grow in Christlikeness. That's the truth I'm concerned with."
Galatians 5:15-21 WEB — But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one by another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other; so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
The Bible clearly outlines the expectations for Christian living. Whether one believes in OSAS or not, the outcome is the same: a genuine Christian will demonstrate a changed heart, reflected in their actions. If someone claims to be saved yet continues in sin, regardless of their stance on OSAS, they need to truly repent and commit to following Christ.
Ultimately, it's not about the doctrine; it's about the transformative power of faith. A heart changed by God's grace will inevitably grow in Christlikeness. That's the truth I'm concerned with."
Galatians 5:15-21 WEB — But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one by another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other; so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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I shall trust in Jesus. He said whomever his father gives him he will never cast us out,no one can take us from his hand,he shall lose none.
The debate arguing against eternal security in our salvation is a defeatist pejorative against the eternal power and sealing of God.
In the end it shall be burned up in the same pit of falsehood as all other efforts to oppose God's holy Sovereign will.
It is true. There is no debate regarding our being sealed and eternally secure in our salvation.
Amen
The debate arguing against eternal security in our salvation is a defeatist pejorative against the eternal power and sealing of God.
In the end it shall be burned up in the same pit of falsehood as all other efforts to oppose God's holy Sovereign will.
It is true. There is no debate regarding our being sealed and eternally secure in our salvation.
Amen
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I don’t believe we “lose” salvation, as in whoops, where did I put it. I believe when one turns from the truth, then the brethren should try to turn one back for the saving of his soul (Jms. 5:19-20), and the individual would need to repent from his sin (Acts 8:22). I do believe in the eternal security of the believer for those who follow Jesus (Jn. 10:27).
WELL that is the logical end to this theology with some. But not all OSAS believe that way. Some would say that if a confessing believer were living in habitual sin they aren't saved. But the others who believe they can live in habitual sin and still be sure of heaven is simply believing in a different Jesus and they are in serious trouble if thier life reflects that belief.
Of course it is good. Because it is of God. 
1 John 3
1. See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
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11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[b] if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 John 3
1. See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears,[a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
More on Love and Hatred
11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[b] if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
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