The rapture is close?

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So there is a rapture for special Saints? LOL

Man who taught you all these lies, like, seriously? There are TWO resurrections. The first one occurs when the 7th trump is blown as highlighted by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 - 17 the second one occurs after a 1000 years. Jesus will be ruling this Earth for a 1000 years. Flesh and blood can go up to Jerusalem to worship Jesus during the 1000 years. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the fathers Kingdom but during Jesus reign on this Earth flesh and blood will be present.
Isaiah 66: 1, 15
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

I already highlighted that David found out where the LORD's rest is and shown you time and time again the LORD will rest on David's throne while ruling this entire Earth.

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

When the LORD comes back he is personally going to cut down wicked people. Yea that's right sweet Jesus is coming back killing, that's why he a LION of the tribe of Judah his 1st coming his was a sweet little lamb and let mankind kill him. LORD ain't playing no more. lets skip (feel free to read that entire chapter on your own).

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

BOOM......

You will even be able to see the Lake of fire. He said all flesh will see it so this is happening on Earth because we can all agree aint no flesh going up to the 3rd heaven.
The man Jesus taught that there is a rapture of a segment of the church.
That would be the bride.
That would be in mat 25 the WORTHY VIRGINS.
...and mat 24 the ones taken/left.
Possibly half the church stays behind and the bible declares their fate in Rev.

You probably have not looked at all the verses.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Again, "bow" often means "deception"... and Paul said the FIRST "BIRTH PANG [SINGULAR]" is "exactly like" how "THE DOTL" will ARRIVE, and Jesus SAID the FIRST OF THOSE is "[beware of] A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]" ...that is, "A CERTAIN ONE" bringing deception! ("FOR *many will come, saying..." [throughout history] but Jesus is pointing out "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100 - tis]" to beware of, to them... because HE WILL BE THE GUY [i.e. the real antichrist of that future time-period Jesus is covering in this part of His Olivet Discourse]); [...]

Can you scripturally back up bow = deception? I've never seen any scritpure that does such.
Jeremiah 9:3 - "And they bend their tongues like their bow [H7198] for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD."


Hosea 7:16 - "They return, but not to the most High: they are like a deceitful bow [H7198]: their princes shall fall by the sword for the rage of their tongue: this shall be their derision in the land of Egypt."


Psalm 78:57 -
King James Bible -
"But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow [H7198]."

New King James Version -
"But turned back and acted unfaithfully like their fathers; They were turned aside like a deceitful bow [H7198]."







[P.S. There's also the idea of "arrows" meaning "lies" (i.e. deception)... if you wanted to consider that also... since "bows" typically USE "arrows"--that's what they are intended for anyway--Jeremiah 9:8 is one such reference: "Their tongues are like deadly arrows. They are always telling lies. Friendly words for their neighbors come from their mouths. But their minds are thinking up ways to trap them." The kjv puts it like this: "Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait."]



Hope that helps. :)



That's all I've got time to address from your post, ATM.
 
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Quick question. Rapture=verb. The rapture= noun. Arnt you changing the meaning of the just depending on how you refer to the word?
 
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If we are talking about no one ever going to heaven what about Elijah who was whisked away on chariots of fire?
Elijah was in the same place you're in when you take a plane...The open firmament of heaven. The scriptures have already concluded that there is more than one Heaven.
Genesis 1: 20
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
The birds that fly in the sky are flying in heaven. If you want to go to heaven then jump. As long as your feet are off the ground you are in heaven.

he has only spoken to me audibly once
What he said? If it is not in the bible, then I don't know who spoke to you, but it wasn't God.
The second coming , according to Jesus, is not the rapture.
Sit down and watch this video and learn something. I'm sure you got two hours to give the LORD all we do is read book.
IOG - "The Rapture: A Desire of Satan Not God" 2024
 
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Quick question. Rapture=verb. The rapture= noun. Arnt you changing the meaning of the just depending on how you refer to the word?
Good question. Yes "rapture" = verb.

But Paul refers to this concept something like 8 or 9 times in his two "Thessalonians" epistles (not merely the ONE "well-known" verse you are referring to here, in 1Th4:17), by his using a VARIETY of words and phrases (sometimes as verbs; other times as nouns--not all are DEFINED specifically as "SNATCH / caught-up" as this G726 word is, used in 1Th4:17, but are still words / phrases referring to it):


--"OUR episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" 2Th2:1 (Paul is BRINGING the Subject of "our Rapture/SNATCH" [concept] TO BEAR on the matter of the "false claim" he's addressing [v.2] which false claim was saying [or could ever be purported], "[that] the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative; transitive verb in the Grk]")--So Paul had started off this section saying, "We beseech you, brethren, BY [G5228 - hyper] the coming/parousia of OUR Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR gathering-together/episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" (verse 1 here referring to the CONCEPT of our rapture/SNATCH [verb], though not referring to the ACTION itself, but a NOUN... i.e. USING a DISTINCT word, but referring to the same thing... to address the specific matter of that "false claim" [v.2's false claim]);


--notice in his other letters, he often in his opening / intros, uses the three words together: "faith, love, and HOPE"; but in THIS epistle (2Th) notice that in his intro he LEAVES OFF the word "HOPE" [the biblical definition of "hope," bear in mind] BECAUSE this is a PRIMARY thing he is going to be addressing in this 2nd epistle. So while 2Th2:1-2 addresses that Subject also (as in my point above), so does 1Th5:8 (and context), in a slightly different way [/purpose], where he'd used a NOUN phrase in the following words (to refer to same concept): "[But let us... put on... and for an helmet] THE HOPE OF SALVATION [NOUN, NOUN]" (note: Paul is covering the Subject of "an eschatological 'salvation'" in these two epistles). The phrase "the HOPE of salvation" refers specifically to "Rapture/SNATCH/caught-up" action (or event), as also "OUR gathering-together/episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" 2Th2:1;


--there's another "NOUN" phrase I can think of (and have posted about numerous time in past threads) but will leave that one off for now;


--there are others (or you can try to search through these two epistles yourself to find the other references to this "concept" [of our rapture event, if you will]) using both NOUNS *and* VERBS (I don't really have a problem if we want to call that "SNATCH-action" / "caught-up-action" / "Rapture-action" "the rapture" / "our rapture" in discussions, because people at least know what you're talking about, lol. It's when we get into actual word-studies where I like to be more precise, esp. if something makes a difference and impacts one's understanding in some significant way (... however, since Paul uses both nouns and verbs to refer to this concept, I'm not troubled if someone uses the phrase "the rapture" to simplify their reference to that SNATCH-action [harpagēsometha - G726; used in 1Th4:17 - a word I RARELY hear out of the mouths of "discussion" folks, for pretty good reason... few might know what the person is even referring to! lol)



That's how I'm seeing this. Hope it helps. :)
 
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Thanks for the reply. When the rapture is or isint dosent really concern me much. I do like reading Daniel and revaluations and such. So I think about things.
 
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Good question. Yes "rapture" = verb.

But Paul refers to this concept something like 8 or 9 times in his two "Thessalonians" epistles (not merely the ONE "well-known" verse you are referring to here, in 1Th4:17), by his using a VARIETY of words and phrases (sometimes as verbs; other times as nouns--not all are DEFINED specifically as "SNATCH / caught-up" as this G726 word is, used in 1Th4:17, but are still words / phrases referring to it):


--"OUR episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" 2Th2:1 (Paul is BRINGING the Subject of "our Rapture/SNATCH" [concept] TO BEAR on the matter of the "false claim" he's addressing [v.2] which false claim was saying [or could ever be purported], "[that] the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative; transitive verb in the Grk]")--So Paul had started off this section saying, "We beseech you, brethren, BY [G5228 - hyper] the coming/parousia of OUR Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR gathering-together/episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" (verse 1 here referring to the CONCEPT of our rapture/SNATCH [verb], though not referring to the ACTION itself, but a NOUN... i.e. USING a DISTINCT word, but referring to the same thing... to address the specific matter of that "false claim" [v.2's false claim]);


--notice in his other letters, he often in his opening / intros, uses the three words together: "faith, love, and HOPE"; but in THIS epistle (2Th) notice that in his intro he LEAVES OFF the word "HOPE" [the biblical definition of "hope," bear in mind] BECAUSE this is a PRIMARY thing he is going to be addressing in this 2nd epistle. So while 2Th2:1-2 addresses that Subject also (as in my point above), so does 1Th5:8 (and context), in a slightly different way [/purpose], where he'd used a NOUN phrase in the following words (to refer to same concept): "[But let us... put on... and for an helmet] THE HOPE OF SALVATION [NOUN, NOUN]" (note: Paul is covering the Subject of "an eschatological 'salvation'" in these two epistles). The phrase "the HOPE of salvation" refers specifically to "Rapture/SNATCH/caught-up" action (or event), as also "OUR gathering-together/episynagoges [NOUN] UNTO HIM" 2Th2:1;


--there's another "NOUN" phrase I can think of (and have posted about numerous time in past threads) but will leave that one off for now;


--there are others (or you can try to search through these two epistles yourself to find the other references to this "concept" [of our rapture event, if you will]) using both NOUNS *and* VERBS (I don't really have a problem if we want to call that "SNATCH-action" / "caught-up-action" / "Rapture-action" "the rapture" / "our rapture" in discussions, because people at least know what you're talking about, lol. It's when we get into actual word-studies where I like to be more precise, esp. if something makes a difference and impacts one's understanding in some significant way (... however, since Paul uses both nouns and verbs to refer to this concept, I'm not troubled if someone uses the phrase "the rapture" to simplify their reference to that SNATCH-action [harpagēsometha - G726; used in 1Th4:17 - a word I RARELY hear out of the mouths of "discussion" folks, for pretty good reason... few might know what the person is even referring to! lol)



That's how I'm seeing this. Hope it helps. :)
So this G726 is that like trying to quantity the words in the Bible with some form of number theory?
 
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Thanks for the reply.
My pleasure. :)

When the rapture is or isint dosent really concern me much.
Whoopsie! (lol... just kidding! HA! "THE rapture," eh?? :D )




Well... Paul does use "the definite article ['THE']" when using ANOTHER "NOUN-phrase" to refer to it also (though it's not always evidenced in the English translations in that verse), so I'll let you off the hook, here. lol

I do like reading Daniel and revaluations and such. So I think about things.
Me, too. Glad to hear it.

And thank YOU for the discussion.
 
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I have heard for a long time now that the rapture is close many have tried to predict it's timing but all have failed. but I had a dream and it makes me wonder about the rapture as I know everyone has different stances on it, but why give a rapture dream if it is not so?
This is the dream
a clock counting down and in this dream I somehow knew this clock was about the rapture I was on a pedestal and so were other people these pedestals rotated around the clock and then suddenly I was whisked away and the devil was searching for me hunting me down seeking to destroy me but he couldn't find me it was as if I was hidden or something.



Then another scene happens and I saw satan sitting on a throne and I said to a person next to me is that satan?



Then satan heard me and called me over by name I walked up the stairs where his throne was and he brought a women out who looked miserable and beaten he threatened to kill her if I didn't bow down to him.

I laughed and said if I recall I worship the God of the impossible anything you do he can undo then the dream ended

another user here mentioned the tribulation starting in september and then the rapture happening after a number of days and that got me thinking because I recieved this dream recently
is the rapture or the tribulation actually close? is there something that would imply this?
yes, the rapture is close. the prophesies fulfilled tells us that. the signs Jesus warned us of are eventful now & in recent decades. the world's last chance has started also. be careful of dreams because God usually doesn't speak to us thru dreams.
 

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Elijah was in the same place you're in when you take a plane...The open firmament of heaven. The scriptures have already concluded that there is more than one Heaven.
Genesis 1: 20
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
The birds that fly in the sky are flying in heaven. If you want to go to heaven then jump. As long as your feet are off the ground you are in heaven.


What he said? If it is not in the bible, then I don't know who spoke to you, but it wasn't God.

Sit down and watch this video and learn something. I'm sure you got two hours to give the LORD all we do is read book.
IOG - "The Rapture: A Desire of Satan Not God" 2024
Assuming that your idea of heaven is true the fact is he was taken to a level of heaven the third heaven so yes it seems that people have been to heaven. what God spoke to me you wouldn't believe me if I told you
 
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Assuming that your idea of heaven is true the fact is he was taken to a level of heaven the third heaven so yes it seems that people have been to heaven. what God spoke to me you wouldn't believe me if I told you
My idea? I literally showed you the scripture and I showed others before. I didn't write the bible. LORD gave me a wise preacher and simply point out things that these false prophets don't want yall to know because they busy robbing people.

If you keep reading you will notice that Elijah wrote a letter to the king after the LORD took him up in 2 Chronicles 21: 12 (Wonder what he doing writing letters from heaven). Men on Earth were looking for him because they knew he had to be on Earth, like they were literally looking for him (2 Kings 2:16 17). If you guys use the same logic for school and everyday things you will realize that GOD's word is simple.

But do know what really bothers me at the end of the day? People really don't believe Jesus, yall just say you do. thinking about it makes me sad. Jesus clearly said this waaay after Elijah went to heaven.
John 3: 16
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus making this statement waay after Elijah (APPARENTLY) went to heaven should make Christians think, maybe I misunderstood 2 Kings 2 but nope. Just blinding follow the evil ministers that teach Satan's desire.

Believe in the rapture if that's what you want, I did my job by warning everyone. Have a good day.
 

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Kings 2:11, which states, "As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind"
 

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My idea? I literally showed you the scripture and I showed others before. I didn't write the bible. LORD gave me a wise preacher and simply point out things that these false prophets don't want yall to know because they busy robbing people.

If you keep reading you will notice that Elijah wrote a letter to the king after the LORD took him up in 2 Chronicles 21: 12 (Wonder what he doing writing letters from heaven). Men on Earth were looking for him because they knew he had to be on Earth, like they were literally looking for him (2 Kings 2:16 17). If you guys use the same logic for school and everyday things you will realize that GOD's word is simple.

But do know what really bothers me at the end of the day? People really don't believe Jesus, yall just say you do. thinking about it makes me sad. Jesus clearly said this waaay after Elijah went to heaven.
John 3: 16
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus making this statement waay after Elijah (APPARENTLY) went to heaven should make Christians think, maybe I misunderstood 2 Kings 2 but nope. Just blinding follow the evil ministers that teach Satan's desire.

Believe in the rapture if that's what you want, I did my job by warning everyone. Have a good day.
If you provided the scripture about the levels of heaven I must have missed it I am legally blind so sometimes I miss things. Now as for the issue of the letters it says there came letters from Elijah but did he deliver them himself or were they delivered for him? if he did not do it himself then he could have wrote them ahead of time knowing his fate but it clearly says in scripture he was taken to heaven As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind it doesn't say what level of heaven just heaven but he saw him no more after that did he? he was not on earth anywhere in scripture to my knowledge so either he sent the letters beforehand or he did it from heaven which I doubt but again was he ever recorded to be on earth after his taking? if not then we can only take his word as literal he was taken to heaven it doesn't say the second heaven nor the first it just says heaven