The real Sabbath day

[unobtrusive]

I have seen, in numerous threads, talk about the Sabbath day. It is a never ending debate concerning the "Ten Commandants." Are we totally missing the reality of "Sabbath," or are we so involved with tradition that we have absolutely no idea of what we are talking about concerning the Sabbath truth? What should we keep holy, tradition, or truth?

Can anyone tell me how to calculate the Sabbath day according to scripture without using the Roman calendar of Julius Caesar, and the Gregorian calender of a Catholic pope? What day is the scripture really referring to? The 4th commandment is not been made void. There is no scripture that says it has been made obsolete. There are still 10 commandments that are valid to this day, according to scripture.

If you do not know, don't bother contributing to this thread. Thank you.

 

[Adstar]

The Biblical sabbath starts at friday sunset and ends on saturday sunset....

The calander change did not change the 7 day week..

 

[unobtrusive]

The Biblical sabbath starts at friday sunset and ends on saturday sunset....

The calander change did not change the 7 day week..

Why are you referring to the Gregorian calendar? The Bible doesn't name the days, they are numbered.

 

[Adstar]

Why are you referring to the Gregorian calendar? The Bible doesn't name the days, they are numbered.

Nowhere have i refered to any calander .... It does not matter if the days are numbered or named there are still 7 days in a week..

 

[unobtrusive]

Nowhere have i refered to any calander .... It does not matter if the days are numbered or named there are still 7 days in a week..

You used Saturday as a Sabbath. that is a name, not a number according to scripture. I observe Thursday because of the feast of tabernacles. What do you think about that?

 

[MarcR]

The Jewish calendar has been in continuous use since the time of Moses or earlier; with only two well documented adjustments.

The Jewish calendar is neither strictly lunar nor strictly solar.

The normal Jewish year is 354 days. Six 29 day months and six 30 day months.

In order to keep the appointed times of Lev 23 in their proper seasons, 7 times every 19 years an extra 30 day month is added.

19 * 365.25 =6939.75. 12*354 =4248. 7* 384=2688. 6936. 4 times in 19 years an extra day is added to the 11th month.

Changes to the Julian and Gregorian calendars have been equally well documented.

It is a simple mathematical process to accurately determine what day of the week any date on either the Julian or Gregorian calendar fell on and what was the corresponding date on the Jewish calendar.

 

[unobtrusive]

The Jewish calendar has been in continuous use since the time of Moses or earlier; with only two well documented adjustments.

The Jewish calendar is neither strictly lunar nor strictly solar.

The normal Jewish year is 354 days. Six 29 day months and six 30 day months.

In order to keep the appointed times of Lev 23 in their proper seasons, 7 times every 19 years an extra 30 day month is added.

19 * 365.25 =6939.75. 12*354 =4248. 7* 384=2688. 6936. 4 times in 19 years an extra day is added to the 11th month.

Changes to the Julian and Gregorian calendars have been equally well documented.

It is a simple mathematical process to accurately determine what day of the week any date on either the Julian or Gregorian calendar fell on and what was the corresponding date on the Jewish calendar.

I agree with your analogy. So I ask, what day, according to our understanding of today, is that actual Biblical Sabbath? Is it according to the feasts, or is it according to Exodus chapter 16 when manna first fell from heaven? If it's the manna thing, what day of the week was actually the day that we are restricted from gathering it?

 

[Adstar]

You used Saturday as a Sabbath. that is a name, not a number according to scripture. I observe Thursday because of the feast of tabernacles. What do you think about that?

I could have said saturday the 7th day of the week ... It's the same day..

The feast of tabernacles only happens once a year and it starts on different days depending what year it happens.. So do you only observe one sabbath a year ? the one after the feast of tabernacles ?

 

[lightbearer]

Why are you referring to the Gregorian calendar? The Bible doesn't name the days, they are numbered.

The 7th Day has always been the 7th day my friend. When the Gregorian calendar was introduced it did not change the order of the days just the names.

 

[Jackson123]

To my knowledge there are 2 ajustment that make little change

1. Joshua ask God to make a day longer than 24 hour so he have a time to finish his job.

2. 2 kings 20

10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

so sabbath was change.

 

[lightbearer]

To my knowledge there are 2 ajustment that make little change

1. Joshua ask God to make a day longer than 24 hour so he have a time to finish his job.

2. 2 kings 20

10 And Hezekiah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees.
11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the Lord: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

so sabbath was change.

No. A day in GOD's eyes is sundown to sundown. A day is still the same and the seven day cycle is still a seven day cycle.

 

[unobtrusive]

I could have said saturday the 7th day of the week ... It's the same day..

The feast of tabernacles only happens once a year and it starts on different days depending what year it happens.. So do you only observe one sabbath a year ? the one after the feast of tabernacles ?

Last spring we observed the Sabbath in relation to the Feast of Unleavened Bread. That was a Tuesday.

God gave a "calendar" in His Word for us to determine Sabbaths and feast days, not some man-made calendar invented by a Roman ruler or a pope. The new year begins in the spring according to God's calendar, and yes, it falls on different days each year. What is so often overlooked is the simple principle God worked into His plan, which are the instructions He gave to mankind of how to live, right down to the detail, causing man's relationship with Him to be dependent upon Him.

I'll try to explain this briefly. Starting at the very beginning of the instructions regarding each new year, we are to see when the barley sprouts to determine the new year. That means we watch the barley crop that God causes to grow as He wills. From the first day of the new year all other feast days and Sabbaths are determined by numbers of days between each. God designed it this way for the purpose of relationship with Him, and being dependent upon Him, and seek Him every day. Man has messed that up REAL bad!

Even Jews have renamed Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month (Tishri), "Rosh Hashanah" (which is translated as Happy New Year), not the calendar God gave. What is also very sad is that it is nearly impossible to keep Sabbaths the right way now because of business practices worldwide, so now we must choose a day to observe as a Sabbath rest each week. And that works out to be Saturday, even though it isn't according to Biblical reality.

 

[unobtrusive]

The 7th Day has always been the 7th day my friend. When the Gregorian calendar was introduced it did not change the order of the days just the names.

Did God change that? I say He didn't. Man's tradition did.

 

[lightbearer]

Did God change that? I say He didn't. Man's tradition did.

And even in that it was not changed for those that are HIS. A day is measure from sundown to sundown. The first day starts on the Day that is called Saturday at sundown and ends on the day called Sunday at sundown. This is the first day of the week, and each day is measure the same until the of what is called a week; which is the Seventh. Which happens to be the Sabbath.

 

[unobtrusive]

And even in that it was not changed for those that are HIS. A day is measure from sundown to sundown. The first day starts on the Day that is called Saturday at sundown and ends on the day called Sunday at sundown. This is the first day of the week, and each day is measure the same until the of what is called a week; which is the Seventh. Which happens to be the Sabbath.

I don't know of anything other than the feasts that we have left to calculate the sabbaths.

 

[shrume]

I don't know of anything other than the feasts that we have left to calculate the sabbaths.

You are not distinguishing between the weekly Sabbath and the feasts.

This is the weekly Sabbath that the Israelites were required to keep:

Ex 20:
8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

The seven feasts were other Sabbaths, and they fell on different days. The weekly Sabbath was always on the seventh day of the week (Saturday to us).

While Christians can certainly observe the Sabbaths if they choose, it is not required.

Col 2:
16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Rom 14:
5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrews 4:9-10
[FONT=&quot]9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

I've calculated the real sabbath day to be the day when a person does/has done this;

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This occurs every day after you have initially done it, or were caused to do it.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.[/FONT]

 

[mailmandan]

I'm not sure why certain people are so obsessed with the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel (Old Covenant) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

 

[Grandpa]

I'm not sure why certain people are so obsessed with the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13) was part of a covenant with Israel (Old Covenant) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)

Some people want to turn this into judaizer chat, understanding neither what they say nor affirm.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]

 

[garee]

The real Sabbath day is any time we hear the voice of God and do not harden our hearts but do the will, (believe God.)

The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word .Men have made it into one .

Unlike moral laws used to judge and regulate morals. The Sabbath is a ceremonial law It regulates ceremonies that are used as shadows of the things to come (our eternal rest in our new bodies)

All of the ceremonials laws are used to represent the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow. The veil is rent indicating he had come in the flesh to demonstrate the pouring out of His Spirit. , The ceremonial law in respect to the Sabbath will be fulfilled in the new heavens and earth.

The temple and its furnishings that were used for a temporal time period as shadows where used as a parable for the time then present.

It began when the apostate Jews no longer desired to walk by faith but because of the jealousy of the surrounding pagan nation rejected worshiping God as King .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".Heb 9:8

That time of refomation has come .The question is what time period was the government of God restored to at the time of reformation?

From my experiences it one of those hush lets not talk about it doctrines.