The Revelation of Adam

Israel · May 28, 2010

Revelation 22:1-2

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Here, the tree of life is not Jesus. We have a pure river of water proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. From this water, in the midst of the street as well as both sides of the street, is now the tree of life!

Ezekiel 36:24-31

24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. 31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

What "Spirit" is God to put within us?

Jeremiah 31:31-34

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

John 6:63

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Israel · May 28, 2010

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

The statement about the trees being one and the same were from me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The bible never said that the garden had one way in either. Only that the way to the east was guarded. And the fact that it was guarded should bring a couple of questions to mind. Guarded. Ok. From who? And because it is guarded, does that mean that there is no way through? We know that Adam and Eve disobeyed.

1 Timothy 1:9

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Thus, we see the flaming sword, guarding the way to the tree of life for these people. Now, is there no way through?

Mark 12:

And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

You can focus on the word. I choose to focus on the meaning. God's word is a two-edged sword and an all consuming fire!

Again, you use a worldly interpretation of scriptures. I had a couple of different translations of the Bible as well as a Strong's concordance that I now use as a prop to hold my window up. By what you say, why even use the name Jesus? Was this name in the Hebrew language? I used to think that taking the Lord's name in vain was about using names like Jesus, God and Lord. I would try to use names like Yeshua or YHWH. But I heard a man say once that he laughs when people says things like Jesus not being His name. He would ask them "how would you know? Were you there?" God made lanquages as it is the spirit behind it that matters! So whether it says tree, one, or idol by the spirit, it means the same thing! People that are sanctifying and purifying themselves by what appears to have a godly form outwardly, but leads to wrath!

Again, do you believe that this is about eating pork? what is the abomination or the mouse?

Many people state that Jesus is the tree of life and that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is satan. Are you one of them? And if so, How?

Genesis 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

No matter what one's view is on God, He is included in this statement! He knows good from evil! Read the Bible with a meek and humble heart without fear of being among the consensus. You will be amazed at how much symbolism is in it!

In your delightful sarcasm, you fail to see the truth as you are hitting the proverbial nail right on the head! The word is a TWO-edged sword for a reason! The antichrist is, in fact, the very same Jesus that people say they have faith in. The false Jesus is the outward appearance of Him! Our literal understanding of Him. But what says the inner man? What does it mean to have faith in Jesus? The antichrist will sit in the temple showing himself as God! Ok. What temple? Think about this two-edged sword. Jesus called a lion; satan called a lion. Jesus called the morning star; satan called the morning star! Within the pages of this book, heaven and hell is already played out in where the letter brings wrath, but the spirit brings life!

serpentslayer · May 28, 2010

The KJV Bible will be 400 years oold next year, and it has a pretty good track record for evangelizing the world since its printing. But, the serpents of this world have taken adavantage of a play out of the Lord's playbook. Remember how the Lord confused the languages of the people of Babel? Because of this, they could no longer work together to accomplish a task, and a such, they dispersed accoring to their perspective languages. The serpents have donethe same by introducing a plethora of bible translations, which, because they do no agree, divide the people.

Case in point: consider the first sentence of the bible. Some say that God created the heaven and the earth; but most say heavens and the earth. Well, there is a distinct differnce between one and several; therefore, which ever way is correct, the others have it wrong. And if a bible is in error in the very first sentence, then it can never be trusted in what follows.

For the record, i will say that the KJV is correct because after the first sentence there existed one heaven and one earth. This heaven is the first heaven, and it is where God is, and where no man can ever go or has ever been. And this first earth was the waters of creation, from which all things natural are constitued.

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 28, 2010

Israel said:

I've just had another epiphany:

“Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. ” (1 Corinthians 5:8)

“He told them another parable. 'The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.'” (Matthew 13:33)

The kingdom of Heaven is EVIL! And Jesus is Satan (who is Adam) as I proved in my last post and "Israel" has confirmed. That's why Jesus tried to persuade us to enter the kingdom of Heaven, because it's evil and he is evil (being Satan, who is Adam).

Anyone want to join my cult?

It's only going to get better from here.

(P.S. Your whole thing about the morning star is another confusion arising out of mistranslation of the KJV)

P.P.S. I'm just kidding folks, the Kingdom of Heaven isn't evil and Jesus is obviously the very opposite of evil. I'm just giving a demonstration of where this cult hermeneutic can end up.

Israel · May 28, 2010

serpentslayer said:

Read the kjv carefully. Heaven is used for more then one meaning.

Genesis 1:6-8

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Now further down in the chapter, He then creates the firmament and calls it heaven? This cannot be the heaven that God dwells as this one is made on the earth.

Israel · May 28, 2010

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

Again, you unknowingly strengthen my point. I never said that Jesus was satan or Adam. I said that the antichrist is how we perceive or understand Jesus! So tell me this, as you are very learned in the knowledge of the Bible. How would a Muslim, who loves God with all his being and loves his neighbor as himself, be viewed in the eyes of Jesus? And how would a christian be viewed in telling a muslim that there is no hope outside of accepting Jesus?

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 28, 2010

Israel said:

I never said you said that. But how, exactly, does this strengthen your point?

What does this mean? If I were to say "Billy Joel is how we perceive Johnny Cash!" I'm really not sure what I would be asserting. That when we think we see Billy Joel we are actually seeing Johnny Cash?

I think it is mistaken to say that a Muslim really loves God. If they really knew God, which seems to me to be a prerequisite to loving him, they would know that Jesus is the Messiah and Muhammad is a false prophet. I suspect that Jesus would view the Muslim along similar lines as the Pharisees.

Not very well I'm sure. Atheists and virtually everyone else hates to be told that they have to submit to God on God's terms. “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you” (John 15:18). I'm not concerned with offending people, so long as their offense is in the truth of the gospel and the reality of Christ.

serpentslayer · May 28, 2010

For those who would deny the Revelation, I would ask:

Why did Adam stand by and let his wife eat the forbidden fruit? Gen 3:6
Why weren't Eve's eyes 'opened' until Adam ate? Gen 3:7
Why did Adam eat? Was not eating the forbidden fruit suicide if the Lord spoke the Truth?
How is that the serpent, Eve and Adam were together at their (Adam and Eve's) trial?
Why was the serpent immediately cursed after Eve indicted him, and not given a trial? Gen 3:14
Why did the Lord forbid Adam from eating from a tree which grew edible fruit (Gen 2:9)? And how is it that this was not a temptation to Adam, having before him a tree which he could not eat from? (James 1:13)

What was the subtle act(s) of the serpent which deceived Eve?
Was the serpent's question to Eve true or false?
Why was the seed of a man excluded from the Savior, Jesus?
Where in scripture is the judgment of the Lord to the condemnation of all men, as a result of Adam's transgression? (Rom 5:18)
What iniquity did Adam hide in his 'bosom' (heart)? (Job 33:32)
Was the serpent a snake? (were Jesus and John talking snakes when they addressed the Pharisees and Saducees, Matt3:7, 12:34, 23:33 )
What was the devil first lie?
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Israel · May 28, 2010

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

The truth is that the flesh is dead! And the world is passing away. The image of Christianity is dead. Islam. Dead. Judiasim. Dead. WE ALL LIVE AFTER THE SPIRIT! It is this truth that we all need to understand.

Who is the Jesus of the Bible and how do we know Him? All christians will say that we need to have faith in Him but what does that really mean? How do we accept or deny Him?

So the muslim, who by nature folllows the law of Christ will be rejected by the One who gave it? How then can a christian even stand a chance!?

I meant how would Jesus view them. And what is this truth of the gospel and reality of Christ preached by the christian today?

1Timothy 3:5
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Yet we see MORE division within the walls of christianity then any other religion! So, in that respect, how is christianity any more fit to take care of the church of God than any other religion?

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 28, 2010

serpentslayer said:

I think we could provide some answer to *some* of these questions. But I prefer an easier route: I think what you fail to grasp is that even if we didn't have an answer to a single question that you ask, this still wouldn't make your own theory true.

For example, suppose I'm a mechanic and you come to me with car trouble (because, for sake of argument, you're a complete ignoramus when it comes to cars). After checking out your car I come back to you and say "Well I've found the problem. You've got gremlins. You see a gremlin is a little green creature that eats away at essential components of your engine, causing the problem you're having.

You respond: "Gremlins don't exist. I remember being told when I got the car that I would have to replace the timing belt after 100,000 miles. I'm not sure what a timing belt is or how it works, but maybe that's the problem since I have 150,000 miles on the car?"

I respond: "Look, if gremlins aren't causing your engine trouble, the how come it makes this 'clunk, clunk' noise whenever you get to 25 mph??"

You: "I don't know."

Me: "How come after the engine has been running for over an hour the car stalls?"

You: "I don't know."

Me: "And how come the check engine light comes on when you first turn the key?"

You: "I don't know."

Me: "Well that proves it's gremlins."

Surely no one thinks the simple fact that you can't explain why these problems occur provides some kind of positive evidence for the gremlin theory.

Consumed · May 29, 2010

Israel said:

people need to grasp the work of the cross and what it meant for us and how.
unmerited undeserved extravagant favor, the requirement of the Law has been fulfilled thru Jesus, he nailed it to the cross, we are made righteous thru Him, his grace and truth. The law was written in stone, cold and hard, grace is Jesus, warm and loving as He abolished the payment due on the law, He fulfilled the requirement for us to be made free of the law. We need to walk in that freedom,every other religion is governed by law, christianity is about a personal relationship with God

serpentslayer · May 29, 2010

I did not ask these questions to get the answers, only to provoke one's mind to thought: and i am not trying to convince anyone that the Revelation is true, because i cannot, but the Spirit of God can. It was not easy for me to post the Revelation because i knew that most people would reject it and i would look like an idiot. Realize that i did not give a complete understanding, only the Revelation. What began 9 years ago as a simple study to understand angels has ended in this Revelation. I was not seeking to find out that i am a devil by the flesh, and i immediatley dismissed the idea when it first came to me; but, after about 3 years of trying to disprove it, i was left with no alternative. For me, the Revelation does away with all the mystery surrounding the devil and the Begiinning, and, best of all, it tells me why i do the things i do even though i know they are wrong. All you who sin, is it the devil or his angels that have made you do the things you do, or was it you own free will? And consider, if Adam is not the devil, then God had made all humanity to have to 'taste death' because Adam ate an edible piece of fruit. Is eating fruit sinful? What then did Adam's eating of the fruit prove to GOD, whereby HE felt it necessary to destroy all of us?

Now, if there are any who are serious about the Truth, let us reason together and be of one mind about it. As i have said, i have not given the understanding of it all, but, the scriptural evidence is overwhelming. And as i have also said, few shall believe, but i know that the Revelation was meant for those who have an ear to hear it, and who are truly seeking to know the Truth. And consider: Today, we can see clearly the prophesies in the Old Testament which spoke of Jesus; yet, the Saducees and Pharisees, who were the keepers of the Law and the Prophets, could not see so clearly. Why?

No one wants to see themselves as a child of the devil; but, now that i do, i understand that my struggles in life are with the flesh i was born with, and, in order to overcome this sinful flesh, i need the Holy Spirit (Rom 8:1-14). And realize, the Revelation in no way changes the Gospel, rather, it makes the Light much brighter because we must now see it from a very dark hole.

I have yet to see one valid argument against the Revelation, nor has anyone explained how it is the Eve told an untruth before the serpent told his supoosed first lie (you can eat the forbidden fruit and live). Some seem not to be able to deduce Truth from the simple things God has spoken, and others don't have a chief source of Truth on which to rely. What i have learned trough my study, above all else, is that the Bible truly can believed as it is written, but that people believe what they are taught by other whom they trust. I call this going the way of Eve because Eve trusted her husband for the Truth, but she end up dying anyway: as it written, 'Let GOd be true, but every man a liar (Rom 3:4). And if every man is a liar, what does this say about Adam?

I have called myself the child of the devil, so i certainly am not wearing roase-colored glasses.

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 29, 2010

serpentslayer said:

You're expressing the same sort of unfalsifiable "my beliefs are true because I know them to be true and I know them to be true because God told me I'm right" mysticism that I've seen way too much around these forums.

This "I know I'm right because God told me so" may make us feel warm and fuzzy, because it can be used to automatically bestow diving authority on whatever we want, but we need to have some humility. The heart is desperately wicked, Serpentslayer. Is it not?

Will you not considered that you are deceived and what you think is revelation from God is nothing more than your own self-deception?

Now you claim to be getting your view based on the teaching of Scripture.

If that's the case, then show us how Scripture teaches it. I've already raised many objections and questions to your view.

You haven't answered a single one. If you want a place to start, start with the very first post that I placed in this thread. If Scripture teaches what you are claiming, and we all have Scripture, then we should be able to see that, right? Saying that we can't see it because we are blind and God hasn't revealed it to us is just a cop-out, in my opinion. It's just an excuse to maintain your twisted view of Scripture against plain evidence to the contrary.

I find it highly unlikely that God gave us a revelation that wasn't intended to reveal anything to anyone for the first several thousand years of its existence. If Scripture teaches that Adam is the devil, you should be able to show how it does. If you are not able to show how it does so then no one should listen to you since a plain reading of the text indicates that Adam is not the devil. If you are not able to show how it does so AND you are claiming to be able to see what no one else for the first several thousands of years was able to see, then no one should even take you seriously. You're only fooling yourself.

charisenexcelcis · May 29, 2010

Israel said:

This is anecdotal. When you look at Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam, you see fractions that are as bad, if not worse than Christianity. What Christianity has, unfortunately, is the hostility of the antireligious counter-culture that shines a critical light on our divisions. Look at what you just said: How is Christ-likeness (Kristianos, Christianity) fit to take care of the called-out (ekklesia, church) of God more than any other religion. When we stand before God, will we say, when our weak brothers fell into division, we abandoned them?

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 29, 2010

In my first post in this thread I pointed out that Scripture doesn't tell us that the command "do not touch" is a lie. It also doesn't tell us that Adam is the one who said "do not touch" (for all we know, Eve is the first one to say that).

Here is an example of where we could find a similar thing:

“Then the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, 'Arise, go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, who is in Samaria; behold, he is in the vineyard of Naboth, where he has gone to take possession. And you shall say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD, 'Have you killed and also taken possession?'’ And you shall say to him, ‘Thus says the LORD: 'In the place where dogs licked up the blood of Naboth shall dogs lick your own blood.'” (1 Kings 21:17–19)

“And of Jezebel the LORD also said, ‘The dogs shall eat Jezebel within the walls of Jezreel.’ Anyone belonging to Ahab who dies in the city the dogs shall eat, and anyone of his who dies in the open country the birds of the heavens shall eat.'” (1 Kings 21:23–24)

It seems to me that on your theory, Serpentslayer, you would have to say that Elijah lied when he recounted this to Ahab. You can see that the original *record* of the "word of the Lord" does not mention anything about Jezebel or his descendants. But when Elijah goes and recounts this to Ahab, he adds new information that wasn't *recorded* before.

So did Elijah lie? We have no reason to think he did and his "lie" was apparently fulfilled in 2 Kings 9:30-37.

So here we have an instance of a recorded prophecy that does not record all that was said in the prophecy and we are given no indication that this record in 1 Kings 21:17–19 is abbreviated.

So it is at least *possible* for the same to be true of the command in Genesis. Thus, it's not necessary that we think Eve lied (or Adam lied). Then, if we are to believe it is a lie, we'll need some reason to think so. And if we are to believe that the lie came from Adam, we'll need more reason to think so.

(This is the same thing I said earlier, but I read this story today and thought it gave a good example of my point.)

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 29, 2010

Israel said:

Not sure what you mean when you say this. Both "flesh" and "dead" are apparently non-literal (because I'm looking at my flesh right now and it isn't dead). So what do you mean?

What do you mean by "image"?? You mean reputation? If this truth is so important, I don't understand why you don't use plain language.

No clue what you're talking about. You said: the antichrist is how we perceive or understand Jesus!

I said: What?

You said: I meant how would Jesus view them.

Honestly, I've got no clue what this is supposed to mean. Could you start over with a new sentence?

The truth of the gospel is repent and believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

The reality of Christ is that he is God manifest in the flesh, lived a sinless life, died on behalf of sinners, and rose from the dead and currently makes intercession on behalf of those who have faith. How this ties into something about perceiving the Antichrist baffles me.

It seems pretty obvious that you would know the Jesus of the Bible by reading your Bible... Unless by "know" you mean come into a relationship with him, in which case the Bible tells you that too: repent and believe.

It means to turn to him, trust in him, etc... I think the Bible is pretty clear on this.

This strikes me as a pseudo-profound question.

First of all, no one, by their nature, follows the law of Christ. Secondly, assuming that we agree that the "law of Christ" means following Christ's example, then I don't agree that they follow the "law of Christ". Christ submitted to the God the Father, God demands all men everywhere to repent and turn to Christ. Muslims refuse to do this. Therefore, they are not submitting to the Father and are, thus, not following the law of Christ.

I could flush the argument out in several different ways. Christ commanded all men to repent (and have faith in him). Muslims don't do this, so they aren't submissive to Christ.

By having faith in Christ...

So when you asked "how would a christian be viewed in telling a muslim that there is no hope outside of accepting Jesus?" you meant "how would a Christian be viewed *by Jesus*..."??

In that case, I think he'd say "good job".

Well true Christians still preach the true gospel, that's an essential part to being a Christian.

charisenexcelcis · May 29, 2010

Credo, I'm surprized that you did not differentialte between the body and the flesh when you said:"Not sure what you mean when you say this. Both "flesh" and "dead" are apparently non-literal (because I'm looking at my flesh right now and it isn't dead)."

Credo_ut_Intelligam · May 29, 2010

charisenexcelcis said:

Literally flesh can mean the surface of the human body (as well as other things I suppose). That's why I said "I'm looking at my flesh" after I said "Not sure what you mean when you say this. Both "flesh" and "dead" are apparently non-literal (because I'm looking at my flesh right now and it isn't dead). So what do you mean?"
Either way, my point was only that there are various senses in which I could understand what he was saying, so it would be helpful to spell it out.

charisenexcelcis · May 29, 2010

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

"Flesh" has specific usage in theology. It is used to differentiate the sinful nature from the body. I am surprised that you did not make this distinction. To force the exact definition of every term used in a conversation is going really bog you down.
In addition, you did not say, what do you mean by "flesh".

Israel · May 29, 2010

Credo_ut_Intelligam said:

This is not a literal death. We were baptized into Christ's death to now walk in the newness of life.

1 Corinthians 3:1-7

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

This is what's happening, even today between the differnent religions and inside them.

It seems that the world is waiting for a literal person claiming to be God! Too easy. The Bible says that the time of the end will be as when Noah entered the ark and the flood came. These people, the night before, didn't know that the world was going to end! The world is waiting for the literal sun to turn black, the moon to turn to blood. Literally speaking, aren't these obvious signs to let even a person with a passive knowledge of God know that something is about to happen? The world is waiting on a micro chip to determine who accepts the mark of the beast and who doesn't. TOO EASY! Buying and selling has NOTHING to do with fleshly goods and services. This is about the real Truth of the Gospel that is not promoted in the world today. Most christians only focus on the outward appearance of who Jesus is and not the Spirit He represented! They preach the message of believing in Him. Ok. What does this mean? How does a person accept a man they have never met? How can the world know that a person, truly has accepted Jesus? How can a person tell who is in fact denied Christ? Is He God the Son or the Son of God? Did He always exist or did His life start with His birth? There is only one correct answer as any other Jesus is the antichrist!

Again, what does this mean?

Is he God Almighty, God the Son who was eternally with the Father, or is this simply the completion of what is stated in Genesis? A man in His image AND likeness?

Then why all the division among christians? They all read the same Bible with the same Jesus don't they?

Romans 2

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

What law do you think paul is talking about here? The law that the Jews followed or the law that Christ followed?

Or
Matthew 7:21-23

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Aren't these many of the christians who preach "the true gospel?"

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