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Precious friend(s), please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:
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God’s Mystery Program Has Its Own:

Apostle (Rom. 11:13; 1 Tim. 2:7)

Scriptures (1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Thes. 4:1)

Church (Eph. 1:22,23)

Baptism (Eph. 4:5; 1 Cor. 12:13)

Circumcision (Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:11)

Position (Eph. 2:6)

Relationship to God the Father (Gal. 4:6; Eph. 2:18; 4:6)

Relationship to God the Son (Col. 1:18; 2:10; Gal. 2:20)

Relationship to God the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:19; Eph. 3:16)

Walk (Eph. 4:1; Col. 2:6)

Commission (2 Cor. 5:14-21; Eph. 3:9)

Gospel (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Eph. 2:8-9)

Last Days (1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-9)

Return of Christ (1 Thes. 4:13-18; Tit. 2:13)

Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Cor. 4:4)

Judgment before Christ (2 Cor. 5:10)

Hope (Phil. 3:20; Col. 1:5)

Inheritance (Eph. 1:3,10,11)

There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One Hope
of your calling; One LORD, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father
of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Eph. 4:4-6).

(K Sadler)

GRACE And Peace...
 

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I like what we have here, but it is unfortunate that the generators of this list of passages did not refer to the Old Testament. The Old Testament prepares the way for the New Testament, and it is from understanding the Old Testament that really brings "Light" to the Mysterious Plan as it unfolds in the New Testament.

For example, the above list expresses the Circumcision of Christ from Colossians 2:9-15, but it does not point to the origins of this Circumcisions, as found and revealed in Abraham, our Father of Faith. This list needed to point to that physical circumcision in Genesis chapter 17.

Sorry to be critical . . . but the Old Testament and it's expression of Spiritual Circumcision should never . . . never be overlooked.

In fact, the Old Testament gives us a clear picture of Spiritual Circumcision as it points to Colossians 2:9-15:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

And so [this] is the "heart" of the Mysterious Plan of God.
 

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Precious friend(s), please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:
("text only" below...)


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God’s Mystery Program Has Its Own:

Apostle (Rom. 11:13; 1 Tim. 2:7)

Scriptures (1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Thes. 4:1)

Church (Eph. 1:22,23)

Baptism (Eph. 4:5; 1 Cor. 12:13)

Circumcision (Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:11)

Position (Eph. 2:6)

Relationship to God the Father (Gal. 4:6; Eph. 2:18; 4:6)

Relationship to God the Son (Col. 1:18; 2:10; Gal. 2:20)

Relationship to God the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:19; Eph. 3:16)

Walk (Eph. 4:1; Col. 2:6)

Commission (2 Cor. 5:14-21; Eph. 3:9)

Gospel (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Eph. 2:8-9)

Last Days (1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-9)

Return of Christ (1 Thes. 4:13-18; Tit. 2:13)

Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Cor. 4:4)

Judgment before Christ (2 Cor. 5:10)

Hope (Phil. 3:20; Col. 1:5)

Inheritance (Eph. 1:3,10,11)

There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One Hope
of your calling; One LORD, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father
of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Eph. 4:4-6).

(K Sadler)

GRACE And Peace...
shockingly, no references to old testament and no quotes from the son of God, jesus, through, john, matthew, luke or marc............

JF


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Sorry to be critical...
this list of passages did not refer to the Old Testament.
No problem at all. Everything needs to be prayerfully and Carefully
examined to be sure it is The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! for our
"Approval Unto God," Correct?

1) prophecy/law OT (earthly) Israel = physical circumcision
---------------------------- (past tense) (Gen 17:11 et al)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

2) Mystery/GRACE (Heavenly)The Body Of Christ (present tense) =
Spiritual circumcision (Colossians 2:11). Of course this "Revelation
For The Body of Christ" Is Unknown in the OT (thus not referred to
in the op), being "Hidden In God, from ages and generations"
(Eph. 3:5), until Revealed to Paul:

1Co_2:7 But we speak The Wisdom of God in A Mystery, even​
The Hidden Wisdom, Which God Ordained before the world
unto our [Body Of Christ] glory:​

Rom 16:25 Now to Him that is of Power to Stablish you​
according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,​
According to The Revelation of The Mystery, Which was​
Kept Secret since the world began,​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

3) prophecy/New Covenant Israel = (future tense) =

Eze 36:24 "For I Will Take you from among the heathen, and gather
you out of all countries, and Will Bring you into your own land."
1948 fulfillment? OR: Still Future, Correct?

Eze 36:25 "THEN Will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be
clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you."
Considering "Israel is in blindness," Still Future, Correct?

Eze 36:26 "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put
within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and
I will give you an heart of flesh."

To be sure, The Body of Christ "Has Appropriated this Spiritual blessing,"
Correct? But "where is The Evidence of the following, Under Mystery And
GRACE, today?:

Eze 36:27 And I Will Put My Spirit Within you, and CAUSE you to
walk in My Statutes, and ye Shall Keep My Judgments, and DO Them."


Considering ALL of the Massive Confusion today, I hardly don't think so.
You?

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Where the Confusion begins is, similar to physical (water) baptism of 1)
being "Mixed Up" with (adding to/overriding) The ONE Spiritual Baptism Of 2),
and Wrongly Combining these, instead of Rightly Dividing them.

This method Also leads to the "further Disaster" of the tradition of making
The Body Of Christ Replace the Nation Of Israel, and denying God's
Future prophecies that Still need to be fulfilled concerning "them."
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Thanks. "Bible Answer For Confused church Bewilderment" in next post...

GRACE And Peace...
 

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Bible Answer For Confused church Bewilderment!:​
1Co_14:8 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall​
prepare himself to the battle?"​
Precious friends, for your prayerful And Careful consideration - please be
Richly Encouraged and Edified:

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...CHAPTER VI The Messages of Moses and Paul Compared

WE NOW come to a comparison of the teachings of Moses and Paul and see how
much it is to our own advantage to understand and obey The Message of The
Glorified Lord To us through Paul, and how much we lose when we depart from
That Message or confuse it with messages meant for men of other dispensations.

THE LAW vs. GRACE​

First, it should be clearly understood that "the law was given by Moses" (John_1:17)
while to Paul was committed "The Gospel of The Grace of God" (Acts_20:24). We can
almost hear some reader object that we have quoted only part of John_1:17; that it
goes on to say: "but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ," not by Paul.

A moment's reflection, however, will reveal the weakness of this objection. The
"law was given by Moses," to be sure, but not at the time of his birth, nor forty
years later, when he fled from Pharaoh, nor even forty years after that, when he
returned to deliver Israel. It was not until the Passover lamb had been slain and
Israel had crossed the Red Sea that Moses ascended Mount Sinai to receive the
law from the hands of God.

Just so "Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ," but not at the time of His birth,
nor later, during His earthly ministry, nor even when He died and rose again. It
was not until after His death, resurrection and ascension that Grace (consistent
with Truth) came by Jesus Christ [4] -- and He committed The Dispensation of
It To Paul.

This could not be stated more plainly than it is in Eph. 3:1-4:

"For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you
Gentiles, If ye have heard of THE DISPENSATION OF THE
GRACE OF GOD WHICH IS GIVEN ME TO YOU-WARD: How
that by Revelation He Made Known Unto me The Mystery;
(As I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in The Mystery of Christ)."

As "the law was given by Moses," then, "The Gospel of The Grace of God"
Was Committed By The Glorified Lord To Paul, to dispense to us.

And what a difference!

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[4] Historically, as the law was given, historically, by Moses
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With Moses, strict obedience was commanded. We have seen this in his discourse
recorded in Deut. 4. Again and again he refers to "the word which I command you."
And blessing in the land will require consistent, continued obedience too or, he says:

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that
ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go
over Jordan to possess it" (Deut. 4:26).

How different is The Message of Grace! There salvation is offered as a free gift,
on the basis of The Finished Work of Christ (Rom. 3:25; 6:23) and those who
accept the offer and are thus saved, are in turn exhorted:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by The Mercies of God, that
ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service" (Rom. 12:1).

How the apostle himself emphasizes the great contrast between the law with its
demands and penalties, and Grace With Its Abundant Provision Freely Bestowed
On those who will receive! We quote a few examples: As to the law, the apostle
says, by The Spirit:

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them​
who are under the law: THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, AND​
ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.​
THEREFORE BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW THERE SHALL NO FLESH BE​
JUSTIFIED IN HIS SIGHT: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN"​
(Rom. 3:19,20).​
"... THE LAW WORKETH WRATH" (Rom. 4:15).​
"... THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT" (Heb. 7:19).​
He calls the law:​
"... THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH" (II Cor. 3:7).​
"... THE MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION" (II Cor. 3:9).​
"... THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES THAT WAS AGAINST US"​
(Col. 2:14).​

And then he shows Grace as The Divine Complement of the law. What the
law Demanded, Grace Provides:

"Moreover THE LAW ENTERED, THAT THE OFFENCE MIGHT ABOUND.​
BUT WHERE SIN ABOUNDED, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND"​
(Rom. 5:20).​
"... sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE​
NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE" (Rom. 6:14).​
"FOR AS MANY AS ARE OF THE WORKS OF THE LAW ARE UNDER​
THE CURSE: FOR IT IS WRITTEN, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT​
CONTINUETH NOT IN ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE​
BOOK OF THE LAW TO DO THEM" (Gal. 3:10).​
"CHRIST HATH REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW,​
BEING MADE A CURSE FOR US" (Gal. 3:13).​
"IN WHOM WE HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE​
FORGIVENESS OF SINS, ACCORDING TO THE RICHES OF HIS GRACE"​
(Eph. 1:7).​
"THAT IN THE AGES TO COME HE MIGHT SHOW THE EXCEEDING​
RICHES OF HIS GRACE IN HIS KINDNESS TOWARD US THROUGH​
CHRIST JESUS" (Eph. 2:7).​
"AND GOD IS ABLE TO MAKE ALL GRACE ABOUND TOWARD YOU;​
THAT YE, ALWAYS HAVING ALL SUFFICIENCY IN ALL THINGS, MAY​
ABOUND TO EVERY GOOD WORK" (II Cor. 9:8).​
"FOR ALL THINGS ARE FOR YOUR SAKES, THAT THE ABUNDANT​
GRACE MIGHT THROUGH THE THANKSGIVING OF MANY REDOUND​
TO THE GLORY OF GOD" (II Cor. 4:15).​
"I DO NOT FRUSTRATE THE GRACE OF GOD: FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS​
COME BY THE LAW, THEN CHRIST IS DEAD [HAS DIED] IN VAIN"​
(Gal. 2:21).​

Mark well; This Dispensation of The Grace of God Was Committed to Paul By Christ
from His Glory in heaven. The Church, alas, has turned largely to the teachings of
Christ on earth for her program and has brought untold confusion and division into
her midst by her blunder. She has forgotten that Christ on earth was "made under
the law" (Gal. 4:4) and that He taught His disciples also to be subject to those who
sat "in Moses' seat" (Matt. 23:1-3).

Some suppose that this was changed after the resurrection, and so strive vainly
to carry out our Lord's "Great Commission" to the eleven. But even in this they
only bring confusion and division into their ranks, for the program of the "Great
Commission" differs widely from that later outlined for us By Christ in heaven
through the Apostle Paul.

Nowhere, in any of the records of our Lord's commission to the eleven do we read
anything of "The Dispensation of The Grace of God" or "The Gospel of The Grace
of God." Nowhere do we read of "the preaching of The Cross" (as Good News).
Nowhere is it revealed that now it is no longer necessary to observe Mosaic
statutes and ordinances.

On the contrary, the eleven were strictly enjoined by The Lord to teach those
to whom they were sent that they should "observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you" (Matt. 28:20) and the evidence from Acts is clear that under
their commission these apostles (now twelve, Acts 1:26) did observe the law
closely, as their Master Had Done before them and Had Commanded them to do.

It was not until Israel had again rejected Christ and His kingdom; until Saul
of Tarsus had led his nation in a flaming rebellion against Christ; until sin had
abounded indeed, that "Grace Did Much More Abound," as the rejected Lord
Reached Down from heaven to save His chief persecutor and Make of him the
great example of His Matchless Grace.

It is because this is so little understood that a bewildered Church has proclaimed
a confused "gospel" to a lost world. It is because of this that her "trumpet" has
given "an uncertain sound" and her members have not been aroused to
"prepare themselves to battle."...​

" (CR Stam)

FULL study:
Moses And Paul
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GRACE And Peace...
 

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shockingly, no references to old testament and no quotes from the son of God, jesus, through, john, matthew, luke or marc............JF t
Thanks for your input. UNknown in OT / Paul's WORDS Are CHRIST's WORDS,
Revealed, From Heaven, In The MYSTERY! = see post #6

GRACE And Peace...
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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No problem at all. Everything needs to be prayerfully and Carefully
examined to be sure it is The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! for our
"Approval Unto God," Correct?

1) prophecy/law OT (earthly) Israel = physical circumcision
---------------------------- (past tense) (Gen 17:11 et al)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

2) Mystery/GRACE (Heavenly)The Body Of Christ (present tense) =
Spiritual circumcision (Colossians 2:11). Of course this "Revelation
For The Body of Christ" Is Unknown in the OT (thus not referred to
in the op), being "Hidden In God, from ages and generations"
(Eph. 3:5), until Revealed to Paul:

1Co_2:7 But we speak The Wisdom of God in A Mystery, even​
The Hidden Wisdom, Which God Ordained before the world
unto our [Body Of Christ] glory:​

Rom 16:25 Now to Him that is of Power to Stablish you​
according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,​
According to The Revelation of The Mystery, Which was​
Kept Secret since the world began,​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

3) prophecy/New Covenant Israel = (future tense) =

Eze 36:24 "For I Will Take you from among the heathen, and gather
you out of all countries, and Will Bring you into your own land."
1948 fulfillment? OR: Still Future, Correct?

Eze 36:25 "THEN Will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be
clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you."
Considering "Israel is in blindness," Still Future, Correct?

Eze 36:26 "A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put
within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and
I will give you an heart of flesh."

To be sure, The Body of Christ "Has Appropriated this Spiritual blessing,"
Correct? But "where is The Evidence of the following, Under Mystery And
GRACE, today?:

Eze 36:27 And I Will Put My Spirit Within you, and CAUSE you to
walk in My Statutes, and ye Shall Keep My Judgments, and DO Them."


Considering ALL of the Massive Confusion today, I hardly don't think so.
You?

-------------------------------------------
Where the Confusion begins is, similar to physical (water) baptism of 1)
being "Mixed Up" with (adding to/overriding) The ONE Spiritual Baptism Of 2),
and Wrongly Combining these, instead of Rightly Dividing them.

This method Also leads to the "further Disaster" of the tradition of making
The Body Of Christ Replace the Nation Of Israel, and denying God's
Future prophecies that Still need to be fulfilled concerning "them."
----------------------
Thanks. "Bible Answer For Confused church Bewilderment" in next post...

GRACE And Peace...
Hi there,

Lots of questions in your reply to my response. I can only get to a few.

The Ezekiel 36 passages refer to any person that has received Spiritual Circumcision as it points to the Promises made in Genesis chapter 17. Spiritual Circumcision is the same for any person having been cleansed of the Curse of the Lord, from Abel (the first True Prophet) to anyone who is Cleansed today. And yes, this is the same promise that will one day be granted to Israel. What Power . . . to change an entire classification of people in terms of how they think . . . and who they will choose (God).

Your assertion seems accurate in that the evidence of True Circumcision for individuals is few, for True Circumcision results in a changed life, as discussed by Paul in Romans chapter 12. I have undergone an actual Romans 12:2 Transformation, and I couldn’t stop talking about it for years. It wasn’t until I became sick and tired of being rejected for my story that I stopped talking about it. But if I ever meet someone who has experienced such a Transformation, I will be filled with excitement and cannot wait to have that discussion. I’m still waiting. Why? Because when a person’s life is changed beyond their own will and choice, it becomes evident that that person is experiencing a miracle. When a person realizes that their life is no longer controlled by their own choices and “free will,” it becomes perhaps the most exciting thing they can talk about. But again, who talks about their Transformation? Who talks about the New Heart that they’ve been given? Who talks about how they’ve been given that New Heart which Causes them to Love the Lord their God with all of their New Heart, Soul, and New Mind?

And this is why Spiritual Circumcision is rejected by nearly all of Christianity. Because this Circumcision only happens to the Remnant, those of the small Vine of Christ, the vast majority cannot understand it. And because this Circumcision has not happened to a person, that person will reject the idea because they are utterly convinced that they are a True Christian, totally and completely saved.

Matthew 7:22-23 NLT – “On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.”
 

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Precious friend(s), please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided:
("text only" below...)


---------------------------------
Text only:

God’s Mystery Program Has Its Own:

Apostle (Rom. 11:13; 1 Tim. 2:7)

Scriptures (1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Thes. 4:1)

Church (Eph. 1:22,23)

Baptism (Eph. 4:5; 1 Cor. 12:13)

Circumcision (Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:11)

Position (Eph. 2:6)

Relationship to God the Father (Gal. 4:6; Eph. 2:18; 4:6)

Relationship to God the Son (Col. 1:18; 2:10; Gal. 2:20)

Relationship to God the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:19; Eph. 3:16)

Walk (Eph. 4:1; Col. 2:6)

Commission (2 Cor. 5:14-21; Eph. 3:9)

Gospel (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Eph. 2:8-9)

Last Days (1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-9)

Return of Christ (1 Thes. 4:13-18; Tit. 2:13)

Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Cor. 4:4)

Judgment before Christ (2 Cor. 5:10)

Hope (Phil. 3:20; Col. 1:5)

Inheritance (Eph. 1:3,10,11)

There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One Hope
of your calling; One LORD, One Faith, One Baptism, One God and Father
of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Eph. 4:4-6).

(K Sadler)

GRACE And Peace...
have you ever tried just reading the context of what’s there regarding your subjects ? Rather than stitching together out of context verses and making your own idea ?

“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:1-6‬ ‭

Paul’s mystery is that gentiles and Jews were now hiers of God by the gospel. If you just let it say what it says it will fix what Joseph prince has done to your mind

I think your disconnect is trying to make Paul something he isn’t he’s one of the apostles no more or less it doesn’t matter which apostle preached the gospel

“For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you just read what’s in the chapters it will make sense but if you keep trying to cut out the true gospel it’s always going to be a misunderstanding
 
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I like what we have here, but it is unfortunate that the generators of this list of passages did not refer to the Old Testament. The Old Testament prepares the way for the New Testament, and it is from understanding the Old Testament that really brings "Light" to the Mysterious Plan as it unfolds in the New Testament.

For example, the above list expresses the Circumcision of Christ from Colossians 2:9-15, but it does not point to the origins of this Circumcisions, as found and revealed in Abraham, our Father of Faith. This list needed to point to that physical circumcision in Genesis chapter 17.

Sorry to be critical . . . but the Old Testament and it's expression of Spiritual Circumcision should never . . . never be overlooked.

In fact, the Old Testament gives us a clear picture of Spiritual Circumcision as it points to Colossians 2:9-15:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

And so [this] is the "heart" of the Mysterious Plan of God.
EXCELLENT = "And so [this] is the "heart" of the Mysterious Plan of God."

i SEE your getting to the 'heart' of the matter that comes from the Heart of God.

My son, give attention to my words;
Incline your ear to my sayings.
Do not let them depart from your eyes;
Keep them in the midst of your heart;
For they are life to those who find them,
And health to all their flesh.
Keep your heart with all diligence,

For out of it spring the issues of life.
Proverbs 4:20-23

FATHER (Abraham) - Out of the Heart of the FATHER came forth His Only Begotten Son = John 3:16

SON (Isaac/YESHUA) Out of the Heart of the Only Begotten SON of GOD = Hebrews 12:2
...looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."

HOLY SPIRIT (Jacob) Out of the Heart of the Holy Spirit comes Living Water = John 4:13-14 and

Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

"when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

QUESTION to All christianchat members = Where is your heart today and have you been Baptised in the Holy Spirit???
 
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have you ever tried just reading the context of what’s there regarding your subjects ? Rather than stitching together out of context verses and making your own idea ?

“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:1-6‬ ‭

Paul’s mystery is that gentiles and Jews were now hiers of God by the gospel. If you just let it say what it says it will fix what Joseph prince has done to your mind

I think your disconnect is trying to make Paul something he isn’t he’s one of the apostles no more or less it doesn’t matter which apostle preached the gospel

“For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you just read what’s in the chapters it will make sense but if you keep trying to cut out the true gospel it’s always going to be a misunderstanding
Please allow for a little tweak here unto perfection from you beautiful Post = TRUTH from Genesis

Paul’s mystery is this: Jews and Gentiles are now heirs together thru One Gospel = SAME Gospel for the Jew as for the Gentile.
"For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” = John 3:16

One Body of Christ comprised of 'Called out' Jews & Gentiles into One Sanctuary, Assembly and Holy Temple of God.

PEACE
 
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have you ever tried just reading the context of what’s there regarding your subjects ? Rather than stitching together out of context verses and making your own idea ?

“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:1-6‬ ‭

Paul’s mystery is that gentiles and Jews were now hiers of God by the gospel. If you just let it say what it says it will fix what Joseph prince has done to your mind

I think your disconnect is trying to make Paul something he isn’t he’s one of the apostles no more or less it doesn’t matter which apostle preached the gospel

“For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you just read what’s in the chapters it will make sense but if you keep trying to cut out the true gospel it’s always going to be a misunderstanding
i apologize - i did not say 'Good Morning/Afternoon' and Thank You for your prayers as they are much needed.

PEACE & BLESSING to You Brother
 

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QUESTION to All christianchat members = Where is your heart today and have you been Baptised in the Holy Spirit???
Question to all Christianchat members - Do you understand Spiritual Circumcision? And, are you certain that you have received this Holy Operation of Faith? Or, are you still under the captivity of your Father, the Devil (to do his will)?

2 Timothy 2:26 NLT - "Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil's trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants."
 
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Question to all Christianchat members - Do you understand Spiritual Circumcision? And, are you certain that you have received this Holy Operation of Faith? Or, are you still under the captivity of your Father, the Devil (to do his will)?

2 Timothy 2:26 NLT - "Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil's trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants."
Again, i SEE you are getting to the HEART of the MATTER at the RIGHT HAND of the FATHER.

Can you decipher the Scriptural OT/NT meaning of this sentence???
 

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Please allow for a little tweak here unto perfection from you beautiful Post = TRUTH from Genesis

Paul’s mystery is this: Jews and Gentiles are now heirs together thru One Gospel = SAME Gospel for the Jew as for the Gentile.
"For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” = John 3:16

One Body of Christ comprised of 'Called out' Jews & Gentiles into One Sanctuary, Assembly and Holy Temple of God.

PEACE
yep the true gospel there’s just the one that’s why this dude always makes the idea that Paul was preaching some thy king else other than the gospel that way he can remove what Jesus said beforehand and say it doesn’t apply .

Jew and gentile have become one kingdom now where’s in the ot it wasn’t made known just touched upon in verses like this

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Paul’s revelation was To now understand thkngs like that in the ot that they didn’t grasp now like Paul and the other apostles they were now understanding ehat Moses and the prophets had been saying all along


“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you notice in the ot gentiles are excluded and no one preached these thkngs because until the apostles were annointed by Christ they didn’t grasp the scriptures beforehand now paul and the apostles did everything they preach has a foundation on the law and prophets they are revealing the mysteries of the ot to the church

after Jesus came he did this for his apostles including Paul later

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

nothing began with Paul he came along later and was converted by Jesus and appointed one of his witnesses. He changed nothing , he was an apostle revealing the same truths the entire Bible speaks of just like John , Peter and James

it’s all about the one and only gospel beginning with the lords baptism and anointing to preach it forth and then appoint witnesses to continue witnessing it to others

“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus ) and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( the apostles )

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”( God by his spirit )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

this is the gospel

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again Jesus is saying “ I’m fulfilling Isaiah 61 “

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:1-3, 8-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we have the parable of the four soils and Jesus is claiming his word will cause us to bear fruit it’s just the gospel the true gospel fpretold
In the ot brought to pass in the record of Jesus life on earth and witnessed by all the apostles
 
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yep the true gospel there’s just the one that’s why this dude always makes the idea that Paul was preaching some thy king else other than the gospel that way he can remove what Jesus said beforehand and say it doesn’t apply .

Jew and gentile have become one kingdom now where’s in the ot it wasn’t made known just touched upon in verses like this

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Paul’s revelation was To now understand thkngs like that in the ot that they didn’t grasp now like Paul and the other apostles they were now understanding ehat Moses and the prophets had been saying all along


“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead,

and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you notice in the ot gentiles are excluded and no one preached these thkngs because until the apostles were annointed by Christ they didn’t grasp the scriptures beforehand now paul and the apostles did everything they preach has a foundation on the law and prophets they are revealing the mysteries of the ot to the church

after Jesus came he did this for his apostles including Paul later

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

nothing began with Paul he came along later and was converted by Jesus and appointed one of his witnesses. He changed nothing , he was an apostle revealing the same truths the entire Bible speaks of just like John , Peter and James

it’s all about the one and only gospel beginning with the lords baptism and anointing to preach it forth and then appoint witnesses to continue witnessing it to others

“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus ) and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( the apostles )

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”( God by his spirit )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

this is the gospel

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again Jesus is saying “ I’m fulfilling Isaiah 61 “

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; to appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭61:1-3, 8-9, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why we have the parable of the four soils and Jesus is claiming his word will cause us to bear fruit it’s just the gospel the true gospel fpretold
In the ot brought to pass in the record of Jesus life on earth and witnessed by all the apostles
You said: "If you notice in the ot gentiles are excluded"

The Gentiles who lived before Christ (OT) were absolutely permitted to come under Grace and Blessing of God thru the OT Covenant.

SEE if you can find the 'ONE GOSPEL' preached beforehand in the OT by which Paul was able to SEE.

CLUE - Genesis and Exodus

IMPORTANT: If the GOD did not establish it in First in Genesis(and the Prophets) - then it is not TRUTH.
 

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He that abides in the doctrine of Christ has the Father and the Son. If there be any that come to you and have not this doctrine, recieve him not into your house nor bid him godspeed. For he that biddeth him godspeed is partaker in his evil deeds.
 

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Again, i SEE you are getting to the HEART of the MATTER at the RIGHT HAND of the FATHER.

Can you decipher the Scriptural OT/NT meaning of this sentence???
Well, I really don't have the time to investigate the question that you're offering, but the Right Hand of the Father is Christ Himself, for the Right Hand is the Hand of Salvation. Below are the verses that I have collected and organized in my Excel Spreadsheet regarding the Right Hand of the Father:

KJV - "Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great."

HNV - "So that your beloved may be delivered, Save with your right hand, and answer us."

ASV - "Now know I that Jehovah saveth his anointed; He will answer him from his holy heaven With the saving strength of his right hand."

NKJV - "That Your beloved may be delivered, Save with Your right hand, and hear me."

Psa 138:07 - Tanakh: - "Though I walk among enemies, You preserve me in the face of my foes; You extend your hand; with Your right hand you deliver me."
 
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Well, I really don't have the time to investigate the question that you're offering, but the Right Hand of the Father is Christ Himself, for the Right Hand is the Hand of Salvation. Below are the verses that I have collected and organized in my Excel Spreadsheet regarding the Right Hand of the Father:

KJV - "Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great."

HNV - "So that your beloved may be delivered, Save with your right hand, and answer us."

ASV - "Now know I that Jehovah saveth his anointed; He will answer him from his holy heaven With the saving strength of his right hand."

NKJV - "That Your beloved may be delivered, Save with Your right hand, and hear me."

Psa 138:07 - Tanakh: - "Though I walk among enemies, You preserve me in the face of my foes; You extend your hand; with Your right hand you deliver me."
This is all TRUE.

i wam joining with your heart on the Truth of Circumcision of the Heart unto Salvation.

The OT circumcision was a outward sign of the necessary work of the Holy Spirit on the inward heart of man necessary for Salvation to take place within a man = "for out of the heart comes the issues of life".

The law states that on the 8th Day every male child must be circumcised in order to be accepted under God's Law and His grace.

Yet, even in the OT we SEE the commandment from the LORD for 'hearts to be circumcised'.

OT - Someone had the office of circumcising the newly born male children.

OT/NT = SOMEONE today has the Office of circumcising our hearts unto Salvation.

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."
Hebrews ch3